Gun Safety Courses and Eddie Eagel in Public School. (1 Viewer)

[NguyenRhymesWithWin]

Gun Safety Courses: No Child should be ignorant about the dangers of guns just because hyper anti-gun nuts want everyone to imagine what it would be like if Guns didn't exist. Well, Guns do exist and Children need to know about gun safety all the way from Kindergarden to atleast 6th Grade.

Fear The Gun, Respect The Gun, Learn The Gun, Know The Gun.(paraphrase)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Eagle

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Hey cool we agree on something. I dont know about the classes being mandatory, but I do believe everyone should know how to use and clean a gun safely, and be comfortable around them.

A well armed populace is the best defence against tyranny.

 

[Pen]

I agree that if a gun is in the home, those who have access to it need to be trained in it's use. That being said, I would hope that said gun is not accessible to children and properly stored.

 

[Kandahar]

I don't have a problem with schools offering courses in gun safety (or even requiring them), but come on, everyone does NOT need to know gun safety. To imply otherwise suggests that there should be a federal or state mandate for such things. What the students at Appalachian Hickville High School need are not necessarily the same things that the students at Suburbia High School need.

 

[Jerry]

Anyone have any statistics on how many children are killed by their friends while @#$%ing with a gun?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Yeah, 160 a year. That is somewhere between kids who die flagpole sitting and kids who die tripping over Victorian chairs. Not saying that it isnt a waste of life, just saying its an immaterial # on the scale of reasons why people die a year.

 

[NguyenRhymesWithWin]

eh, if accidental death is a reason to ban Gun Ownership, then we oughta ban other instruments of death like stairs and chairs and swimming pools.

 

[el_joven]

maybe not as early as kindergarten but definitely before 6th grade

 

[::Major_Baker::]

they should be shot in the leg when they are 5 so that they can be able to tolerate pain like a real man.

 

[Goobieman]

I don't have a problem with schools offering courses in gun safety (or even requiring them), but come on, everyone does NOT need to know gun safety. To imply otherwise suggests that there should be a federal or state mandate for such things. What the students at Appalachian Hickville High School need are not necessarily the same things that the students at Suburbia High School need.

Everyone needs to know how to safely handle a gun, as appropriate for their age and level of competence, even if "safely handle" means "walk away and tell an adult.

Else, how do you suggest people be instructed what to do in a situation where they find a gun? IMHO an adult should at LEAST be able to render it safe, so at the very least no one is accidentally shot.

 

[Goobieman]

they should be shot in the leg when they are 5 so that they can be able to tolerate pain like a real man.

I thought you were going to have the nurse start your meds again...?

 

[CoffeeSaint]

Can I ask how you folks plan to teach gun safety in schools? Will there be functional weapons and live ammunition in public schools? Or do you see this as something that should be taught by parents outside of the school environment?

 

[Backboard8249]

Unfortunately, despite our best efforts, we do NOT know what will encourage a young child to do something awful. It may make no sense to adults how youth could get bad ideas from PSA's, but young kids may develop an early, unhealthy obsession with firearms very quickly after seeing something like this. The children who are genuinely interested in firearms, and with out bad intention, can go take a gun safety course on their OWN time, not during the time when they are with other young kids who may be incited to play with daddy's guns as soon as they get home. BESIDES, who on earth would interrupt class time in order to teach young kids about guns? I would rather have my children learn about humanities or math,

 

[FallingPianos]

Eddie Eagle - Wikipedia
The Eddie Eagle program was developed by the National Rifle Association for children who are generally considered too young to be allowed to handle firearms. While maturity levels vary, the Eddie Eagle program is intended for children of any age from pre-school through 6th grade.

The program trains children to avoid causing harm when they encounter firearms, through an easily-remembered litany:

* Stop — to take time to remember the rest of the instructions.
* Don't touch — A firearm that is not touched or acted upon by an outside force is highly unlikely to fire, or endanger a person.
* Leave the area — By leaving the area the child removes himself/herself from temptation, as well as from the danger that another person might pick up the gun and negligently cause it to fire.
* Tell an adult — An adult, if not personally trained in handling firearms, should know enough to seek professional assistance.

The NRA, which also sponsors training for adults in safe gun-handling, developed this program in response to sensational news stories about deaths and injuries of youths by negligent gunfire.

sounds good to me.

 

[FallingPianos]

Anyone have any statistics on how many children are killed by their friends while @#$%ing with a gun?

this is from a biased source, but its all I could find:

NRA-ILA :: Fact Sheets
Firearm accident deaths are at an all-time annual low, nationally and among children, while the U.S. population is at an all-time high. In 2003, there were 762 such deaths nationally, including 56 among children. Today, the odds are more than a million to one against a child in the U.S. dying from a firearm accident.

I must say though, that I know of someone who died that way. When I was in second grade, one of my classmates sisters died in an accident when playing with a gun.

 

[Backboard8249]

sounds good to me.

Yes, it makes sense to us. There is no INTENT for harm in this program. However, you never know if some kid will tune it all out, and just focus on the guns themselves. It is important for kids to know how to be safe with guns, but the guns should not be thrust upon kids.

 

[Jerry]

Is there anyone who supports mandatory sex-ed yet opposes mandatory gun safety?

 

[TurtleDude]

Is there anyone who supports mandatory sex-ed yet opposes mandatory gun safety?

the left wants children to be ignorant of guns for several reasons

1) educated children are far less likely to cause accidents with guns. accidents with guns are the ARC's major stock in trade

2) kids who learn about guns are pretty well innoculated against the lies and crap sarah brady and the rest of the ARC spews.

3) kids who learn about guns may wish to shoot guns and become interested in the shooting sports. that means people who not only reject the ARC nonsense but actually actively oppose it

4) you cannot be educated in guns and buy into the crap the ARC spews on many issues (like saying the only purpose of a semi auto is to kill people)

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

I support both mandatory firearms instruction and mandatory sex ed.

However, I think that the former should be far more practical and "hands on" than the latter.

 

[Billo_Really]

Education is the key.

 

[TurtleDude]

I support both mandatory firearms instruction and mandatory sex ed.

However, I think that the former should be far more practical and "hands on" than the latter.

That's funny and wise at the same time:mrgreen: Remember the Sex Ed class in THE MEANING OF LIFE with "master" John Cleese?

 

[TurtleDude]

:mrgreen:

My high school had a firing range in the basement.

Yeah, of course there'd be functional weapons and live ammunition in the school. They'd have to be well protected, obviously, but if they are well protected, then I don't see the harm in that.

I say it should be offered. To require it, as Kandahar pointed out earlier, would be ridiculous. If I wanted, I could very easily have lived up until this point having never handled a gun, and there are a lot of people who take that option. But I mean, christ, in 6th grade I was required, that's right, REQUIRED to learn how to use a sewing machine, I'd say gun safety, and proper gun use would've been a million times more efficient use of that time.

sound thinking. IN the pacific NW a few years ago, some loser decided to shoot up the school (ie a target rich environment of unarmed victims). One boy had extensive firearms training. He waited until he knew the loser's gun was empty and charged the mope and beat him to submission despite being wounded. You should have seen his interview with some lefty news chick

it went sort of like this

NC-I bet this experience makes you against guns

Hero-actually it was my NRA training that allowed me to know when I could take this guy without getting shot

NC-Lets go to some breaking news on the East Coast:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[TurtleDude]

That **** was classic

RUGBY WITH THE MASTERS:shock: :mrgreen:

 

[TurtleDude]

I remember that, it was the little dude, killed his dad before using his dad's guns. But it exactly raises the point, those who have the desire to commit violence using guns can, and very often will become educated in how to use weapons (although many don't, this is more out of stupidity rather than a lack of resources). It's not like we're gonna be training criminals, because the criminals who have the motivation to learn this **** will learn this **** without our help. Instead we need to train those who are potential victims in ways to not become victims.

One mope had ZERO Firearms training. NADA but he played lots of video games-at home and at an arcade. One had a pistol-same program that the marines use to desensitize recruits as to shooting people. I believe this mope was in Kentucky (Clay Shroud but it might have been another loser). He shot a bunch of people and had a hit ratio that would have made some combat pistol masters look bad.

I agree with you-I remember reading either the anarchists cookbook or abbie Hoffman's steal this book. They noted that the underworld already knew the stuff contained in the book (booby traps, etc) so they were given the normal guy some ability to understand

 

[MarineCorpsCandidate]

Gun Safety Courses: No Child should be ignorant about the dangers of guns just because hyper anti-gun nuts want everyone to imagine what it would be like if Guns didn't exist. Well, Guns do exist and Children need to know about gun safety all the way from Kindergarden to atleast 6th Grade.

Fear The Gun, Respect The Gun, Learn The Gun, Know The Gun.(paraphrase)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Eagle

Definately agree that guns are an important part of American life. People should be educated on the dangers of guns but also on how to properly use them. Democracy in America, wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the gun. So long as the people are armed, the people will always rule.

Perhaps the one incident that sticks in my mind and illustrates why the founding fathers put the second amendment into the Constitution is when ATF agents fired on David Koresh's compound in Waco, Texas where many children were staying. Koresh's followers were armed but did not fire first and the ATF agents had recklessly put children into their line of fire. Their were several 911 calls made pleading that the ATF call off their raid in order to save the lives of the children from the gunfire of the ATF. Given that the ATF would not call off the raid, I believe that Koresh and his followers did the only thing that could be done: meet force with force and return fire upon the ATF agents who were needlessly and recklessly endangering the lives of children. The role of government is to protect people's personal and property rights. However, when government turns from protector of personal and property rights to a violator of personal and property rights, then the people have the right to use armed force to protect their personal and property rights from a government that has turned against the people. A jury later ruled that shooting deaths of ATF agents, after they were forced to flee when Koresh followers returned fire with overwhelming force, was justifiable homicide. It illustrates that guns are necessary for a people to remain free and for a government to remain subordinate and fearful of the people and to keep government limited to the protection of personal and property rights of the people who allow and permit the government to exist.