Gun industry leaders, allies defy NRA on background checks

[joko104]

Ha! The evolving view of the 10% to 15% opposed to background checks! Thanks for sharing!

Do you actually have any response? The KKK of Mississippi in the 1960s would have loved a guy like you.

 

[blaxshep]

Ha! The evolving view of the 10% to 15% opposed to background checks! Thanks for sharing!

You have been going on for months now about background checks and all the support, yet not a single mass murder would have been prevented if we had them in place before they occured nor will any future mass murders be prevented. So ... Is there really any point?

I guess I don't follow what you think is going to be achieved other than creating another cash cow for the liberal agenda and further trampleling on the people's rights.

 

[Catawba]

Do you actually have any response? The KKK of Mississippi in the 1960s would have loved a guy like you.

Response to what? Far right musings on background checks that are supported by 90% of voters, and 85% of gun owners?

 

[blaxshep]

Response to what? Far right musings on background checks that are supported by 90% of voters, and 85% of gun owners?

So you are just going to run with the rhetoric that 90% of the people support the simple idea of background checks and completely ignore the inevitable resulting 27,000 page big government monstrosity full of pork, freedom crushing unconstitutional and unrelated non-sense that we will have to pass in order to find out what is in it that will result?

 

[Catawba]

So you are just going to run with the rhetoric that 90% of the people support the simple idea of background checks and completely ignore the inevitable resulting 27,000 page big government monstrosity full of pork, freedom crushing unconstitutional and unrelated non-sense that we will have to pass in order to find out what is in it that will result?

Thanks for illustrating my point!

 

[TurtleDude]

Thanks for illustrating my point!

why is it when you are pressed to formulate a logical argument in favor of a silly feel good law all you can do is to parrot a silly poll result?

 

[sbrettt]

It was a Bloomberg poll and not of NRA members, the list of which Bloomberg does not have. Bloomberg CLAIMS they asked if the person supports the NRA and then if they support "universal background checks for gun purchases." Bloomberg's staff is not recognized as a known, legitimate and independent polling firm.

It wasn't a Bloomberg poll. xD

 

[Catawba]

why is it when you are pressed to formulate a logical argument in favor of a silly feel good law all you can do is to parrot a silly poll result?

The logical arguments have already been made and 9o% of voters and 85% of gun owners agree. Those that disagree are politically irrelevant.

 

[blaxshep]

Thanks for illustrating my point!

You have to make a point first. All you have done is parrot poll results, that is not a a point.

If you want to make a point please explain how 90% of the people being in favor of something that will do nothing to prevent mass murder, which is the stated goal by the way, is anything more than feel good legislation that will be implimented at the cost of a larger government buraucracy and less personal freedoms.

 

[blaxshep]

The logical arguments have already been made and 9o% of voters and 85% of gun owners agree. Those that disagree are politically irrelevant.

All meaningless talking points and no substance, you got your lean right at least.

 

[sbrettt]

Nixon was a liberal, being a Republican does not make one a conservative.

Bush was a huge liberal.

There's a difference between a left liberal and a right liberal my friend. He ran as the republican ticket. If you want proof watch his debates with JFK. He sounds eerily similar to Romney.

 

[blaxshep]

There's a difference between a left liberal and a right liberal my friend.

What is it?

 

[sbrettt]

What is it?

Liberal is generally applied to progressives, like myself when it actually has the meaning you're referring to. You ignored that he ran on the conservative ticket. You can't blame dems for this on my friend.

 

[blaxshep]

Liberal is generally applied to progressives, like myself when it actually has the meaning you're referring to. You ignored that he ran on the conservative ticket. You can't blame dems for this on my friend.

Anyone that expands the size, role or authority of the government is a liberal.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Anyone that expands the size, role or authority of the government is a liberal.

Oh I guess the founding fathers were liberal then.

 

[blackjack50]

NRA Leadership Virtually Alone In Opposition To Expanding Background Checks For Every Gun Sale

"The National Rifle Association's stand against expanding the criminal background check system to all gun buyers has become a lonely one. The NRA has been abandoned by other gun lobby activists, conservative media figures, and the American public."

"Washington Post: Gun Industry Trade Group Does Not Take NRA Position On Background Checks. In a March 5 Washington Post article, National Shooting Sports Foundation president Steve Sanetti said that his organization is "already there, and we've been there, and we were the ones that have been the strongest proponents of an effective, complete background check."

"Fraternal Order Of Police Head Supports Expanding Background Check System. The Post article also described support for expanding background checks by the Fraternal Order of Police."

"Second Amendment Foundation Expressed Willingness To Strike A Deal On Expanded Background Checks"

NRA Leadership Virtually Alone In Opposition To Expanding Background Checks For Every Gun Sale | Research | Media Matters for America

These aren't the gun companies. I don't care about the groups. How many are actual companies and which ones?

 

[blackjack50]

Oh I guess the founding fathers were liberal then.

At the time? Yes. Liberal has been gone far beyond the scope of the original definition.

 

[blackjack50]

So you are just going to run with the rhetoric that 90% of the people support the simple idea of background checks and completely ignore the inevitable resulting 27,000 page big government monstrosity full of pork, freedom crushing unconstitutional and unrelated non-sense that we will have to pass in order to find out what is in it that will result?

Sadly. Most of the country doesn't recognize the pork that will go with it. They also don't care about freedom. The joke left has spun them into a fear mongering tizzy. They are now completely ignoring mental Heath care and the left certainly isn't opposed to expanding the powers of government.

And he only has the 90% "stat" that he really doesn't know what to do with. He thinks we haven't countered it. He just refuses to recognize that people will bypass the crap legislation, and law enforcement won't be able to handle enforcing it either.

 

[blaxshep]

He just refuses to recognize that people will bypass the crap legislation, and law enforcement won't be able to handle enforcing it either.

Exactly but even worse it should be obvious by now that anything the criminals in congress pass will come with an enormous deficit spending price tag and serveral new permenent freedom infringing government agencies that will have to be funded from the day it is passed until the country collapses under the weight of it's own corrupt government.

 

[sbrettt]

Anyone that expands the size, role or authority of the government is a liberal.

Look up liberal definition.

 

[blaxshep]

Look up liberal definition.

Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need. Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems.

Notice how for each and every belief the government is the solution.

Conservatives believe in personal responsibility limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems.

Notice how the conservative opposes government other than it's underlying, necessary evil role in support of personal freedoms.

 

[joko104]

It wasn't a Bloomberg poll. xD

Yes it was.

 

[joko104]

The logical arguments have already been made and 9o% of voters and 85% of gun owners agree.

^ That is false everytime you post it.

 

[Catawba]

^ That is false everytime you post it.

If it were false, you or someone else would be able to provide a credible national poll that refuted it.

 

[blaxshep]

If it were false, you or someone else would be able to provide a credible national poll that refuted it.

Likewise if it were true we would have passed such legislation by now.