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Gun Control 1999 Style

Media_Truth said:
Why are you asking me questions about Australia? Write to their government and ask them. It's working - that's all I need to know.
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So strong on correlation, so weak on cause and effect.
 
Media_Truth said:
Agreed, but the militia is a trained group - "well organized".

https://definitions.uslegal.com/m/militia/

Militia refers to a body of citizens armed and trained by the state for military service apart from the regular armed forces. It is composed of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.
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The Supreme Court has historically defined the Second Amendment as giving states the right to maintain a militia separate from a federally controlled army.
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The only people who determine the training requirements of the militia is Congress, and "well regulated" is whatever they decide.
 
Rucker61 said:
The only people who determine the training requirements of the militia is Congress, and "well regulated" is whatever they decide.
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What Congress are you talking about - the Federal House of Representatives or the Congress of each state?
 
Media_Truth said:
What Congress are you talking about - the Federal House of Representatives or the Congress of each state?
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The Congress mentioned in the Constitution of the United States in Article 1, Section 8.
 
Media_Truth said:
You seem to forget that I wasn't the one asking questions, you were...
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"It's working - that's all I need to know."

Prove that the Australian gun control laws are the reason that there aren't any mass shootings with sem-iauto weapons when New Zealand allows semi-auto weapons and has had the exact same number of mass shootings with semi-automatic weapons that Australia has had.

Otherwise, you're just accepting an unsupported correlation.
 
Rucker61 said:
The Congress mentioned in the Constitution of the United States in Article 1, Section 8.
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Congressional responsibility - To raise and support Armies - I personally am happy that Congress isn't the one that makes our military "well regulated", and that their superior officers are taking on that responsibility.
 
Rucker61 said:
"It's working - that's all I need to know."

Prove that the Australian gun control laws are the reason that there aren't any mass shootings with sem-iauto weapons when New Zealand allows semi-auto weapons and has had the exact same number of mass shootings with semi-automatic weapons that Australia has had.

Otherwise, you're just accepting an unsupported correlation.
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Turning a totally blind eye to facts is worse.

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I have shown the correlation many times...
 
Media_Truth said:
Congressional responsibility - To raise and support Armies - I personally am happy that Congress isn't the one that makes our military "well regulated", and that their superior officers are taking on that responsibility.
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Militia <> Army.
 
Media_Truth said:
Turning a totally blind eye to facts is worse.

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I have shown the correlation many times...
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Australia still has both lawfully and illegally owned semiauto weapons. How does a law banning semiauto rifles, when 20-25% are still in the hands of criminals stop mass shootings? How does a law which still allows lawful ownership of semiauto pistols, the most commonly used type of firearm in US mass shootings, stop mass shootings?

If allowing semiauto rifles allows mass shootings, why does New Zealand have any?
 
Rucker61 said:
Australia still has both lawfully and illegally owned semiauto weapons. How does a law banning semiauto rifles, when 20-25% are still in the hands of criminals stop mass shootings? How does a law which still allows lawful ownership of semiauto pistols, the most commonly used type of firearm in US mass shootings, stop mass shootings?

If allowing semiauto rifles allows mass shootings, why does New Zealand have any?
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Why does the US have more than 10x the firearm death rate as Australia? Why does America have so many more firearm deaths than the rest of the world? Why does America do nothing about this? Why is the NRA dishonest with their posting of the 2nd Amendment?
 
Media_Truth said:
Why does the US have more than 10x the firearm death rate as Australia? Why does America have so many more firearm deaths than the rest of the world? Why does America do nothing about this? Why is the NRA dishonest with their posting of the 2nd Amendment?
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why do you constantly ask stupid questions that you know the answer to? why do you lie about the NRA? Why do you lie that "America" does "nothing" to do about it?
 
Media_Truth said:
Agreed, but the militia is a trained group - "well organized".

https://definitions.uslegal.com/m/militia/

Militia refers to a body of citizens armed and trained by the state for military service apart from the regular armed forces. It is composed of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.
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The Supreme Court has historically defined the Second Amendment as giving states the right to maintain a militia separate from a federally controlled army.
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If it gives the states that right, read the many state constitutions that mention firearm rights.
 
Arby said:
If it gives the states that right, read the many state constitutions that mention firearm rights.
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Yes they do. However, many of these same states have and do legislate many gun control laws. Gun Control by the States is as old as the Constitution.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gun-control-old-west-180968013/

The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. While a few citizens challenged the bans in court, most lost. Winkler, in his book Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms “is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.”

Louisiana, too, upheld an early ban on concealed carry firearms. When a Kentucky court reversed its ban, the state constitution was amended to specify the Kentucky general assembly was within its rights to, in the future, regulate or prohibit concealed carry.

They understood that it was the militia who were exempt from gun control laws.
 
Media_Truth said:
Yes they do. However, many of these same states have and do legislate many gun control laws. Gun Control by the States is as old as the Constitution.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gun-control-old-west-180968013/

The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. While a few citizens challenged the bans in court, most lost. Winkler, in his book Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms “is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.”

Louisiana, too, upheld an early ban on concealed carry firearms. When a Kentucky court reversed its ban, the state constitution was amended to specify the Kentucky general assembly was within its rights to, in the future, regulate or prohibit concealed carry.

They understood that it was the militia who were exempt from gun control laws.
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Not everywhere, all of the time.

The Supreme Court's Thirty-Five Other Gun Cases

Of course, they also felt the states had the power to keep whites and blacks apart, or prevent them from marrying. Sometimes states aren't all that interested in anything other than what they want.

Edit: nothing in your posts about owning any type of weapon, nor about open carry.
 
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