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Gun Confiscation - Not a Scare - A Reality [W: 70]

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Quite often a "moderate" in the gun owner or gun rights community will go too far. I've been accused of that, many gun restrictions I can live with most I can't. The fact is the anti gun community will often say registration does not lead to confiscation. I saw a post here this week or maybe last (can't find it) where someone was making just that point - "never happens" its just the NRA scare tactic. Of course some pro gun enthusias might bring up the police taking guns during the aftermath of Katrina and what happened to the Jewish population in Germany before WWII. This topic though is never brought up, and its important.

CALIFORNIA once required a firearm to be registered, and then required it to be turned in for a $230 voucher, and if you didn't - you became a felon.
CA Codes (pen:30710-30735)

This was neve reversed by the Supreme Court of the State or the US Supreme Court and so for now it is the law of the land.

Next time an anti gun advocate says they'll never confiscate your guns - please remind them they already DID one. The SKS Sporter is banned in CA, has been confiscated, and possession is a felony.

By the way; those same politicians are now required "AR" owners to register their long guns by June 30, 2015. Don't comply = FELONY. In fact I think the language they use is the same language
they used to mandate the SKS registration. What a surprise.
 
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Quite often a "moderate" in the gun owner or gun rights community will go too far. I've been accused of that, many gun restrictions I can live with most I can't. The fact is the anti gun community will often say registration does not lead to confiscation. I saw a post here this week or maybe last (can't find it) where someone was making just that point - "never happens" its just the NRA scare tactic. Of course some pro gun enthusias might bring up the police taking guns during the aftermath of Katrina and what happened to the Jewish population in Germany before WWII. This topic though is never brought up, and its important.

CALIFORNIA once required a firearm to be registered, and then required it to be turned in for a $230 voucher, and if you didn't - you became a felon.
CA Codes (pen:30710-30735)

This was neve reversed by the Supreme Court of the State or the US Supreme Court and so for now it is the law of the land.

Next time an anti gun advocate says they'll never confiscate your guns - please remind them they already DID one. The SKS Sporter is banned in CA, has been confiscated, and possession is a felony.

By the way; those same politicians are now required "AR" owners to register their long guns by June 30, 2015. Don't comply = FELONY. In fact I think the language they use is the same language
they used to mandate the SKS registration. What a surprise.

All I can say is thank God I don't live in California.

That would never happen in NC. Too many armed Rednecks that would surround the state Legislature with our pick-up trucks, John Deere tractors... and our weapons hanging in the rear window (unloaded, but still).
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I really like the new way to carry your rifle:
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Never happen here.
 
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To those that say "it can never happen here" I say you are wrong; it may not happen soon. But it can still happen.


All I can say is thank God I don't live in California.

That would never happen in NC. Too many armed Rednecks that would surround the state Legislature with our pick-up trucks, John Deere tractors... and our weapons hanging in the rear window (unloaded, but still).
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I really like the new way to carry your rifle:
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Never happen here.
 
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Quite often a "moderate" in the gun owner or gun rights community will go too far. I've been accused of that, many gun restrictions I can live with most I can't. The fact is the anti gun community will often say registration does not lead to confiscation. I saw a post here this week or maybe last (can't find it) where someone was making just that point - "never happens" its just the NRA scare tactic. Of course some pro gun enthusias might bring up the police taking guns during the aftermath of Katrina and what happened to the Jewish population in Germany before WWII. This topic though is never brought up, and its important.

CALIFORNIA once required a firearm to be registered, and then required it to be turned in for a $230 voucher, and if you didn't - you became a felon.
CA Codes (pen:30710-30735)

This was neve reversed by the Supreme Court of the State or the US Supreme Court and so for now it is the law of the land.

Next time an anti gun advocate says they'll never confiscate your guns - please remind them they already DID one. The SKS Sporter is banned in CA, has been confiscated, and possession is a felony.

By the way; those same politicians are now required "AR" owners to register their long guns by June 30, 2015. Don't comply = FELONY. In fact I think the language they use is the same language
they used to mandate the SKS registration. What a surprise.
Progressive states really should be cut off until they either collapse under their own legislation or get with the program. Personally I believe in "vote with your feet" but unfortunately they pollute D.C. as well and try to export their ideas against the entire nation. Cut 'em off and strip 'em of representation until things get back to a proper constitutional mindset.
 
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To those that say "it can never happen here" I say you are wrong; it may not happen soon. But it can still happen.

I agree that at some point, some may try. But, North Carolina's culture is different than that of California, or many other states for that matter, where this is more likely to occur.

If the State of North Carolina attempted to take any action such as this, an uprising would occur that would require massive police intervention, if not military intervention. That is what I'm basing my position on.

And I'm not being hyperbolic.

The culture of California, New York and other states that have restricted Second Amendment Rights is diametrically opposed to that of most southern states regarding the Second Amendment.

We could field our own army if the country was ever invaded. Including more crew served weapons than the Feds even know exist down here.

Hunting is a way of life for most that live outside the metro areas, and many that live within the cities. Marksmanship is a right of passage for most young men here.

They would have an easier time taking our beer, then our rifles.

I take that back. They can't have our beer either.
 
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Progressive states really should be cut off until they either collapse under their own legislation or get with the program. Personally I believe in "vote with your feet" but unfortunately they pollute D.C. as well and try to export their ideas against the entire nation. Cut 'em off and strip 'em of representation until things get back to a proper constitutional mindset.


one of the problems we face here in the SW is people who have voted for many of the people, who came up with the kooky ideas which have been implemented in California.

now find they dont like them, and move to other states like mine, but come here with the same mindset...not learning their lesson, by looking back at california.
 
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Don't comply = FELONY
and as lawl abiding citizens nearly all Americans WILL divest themselves of their weapons
the remainder? Well they will all be felons ;) Get it? you'll see it's coming and in many places it is already here!


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You aren't hyperbolic at all. Very realistic. I understand I just know how these leftist work. The last 10-15 hold out states will get taken down by the Feds.

Look CA is 10% of the country. Add NY and Illinois you might be at 25%? See it starting to add up, and if it can stand in CA then the supremes won't matter. Add in NJ, Conn, Mass and now you are at a third 33%. Lose a state like Ohio and add in the tiny NE socialist and suddenly they are 41% and your rights are at risk. You see howit goes. When your state won't cave they'll just make it federal.


I agree that at some point, some may try. But, North Carolina's culture is different than that of California, or many other states for that matter, where this is more likely to occur.

If the State of North Carolina attempted to take any action such as this, an uprising would occur that would require massive police intervention, if not military intervention. That is what I'm basing my position on.

And I'm not being hyperbolic.

The culture of California, New York and other states that have restricted Second Amendment Rights is diametrically opposed to that of most southern states regarding the Second Amendment.

We could field our own army if the country was ever invaded. Including more crew served weapons than the Feds even know exist down here.

Hunting is a way of life for most that live outside the metro areas, and many that live within the cities. Marksmanship is a right of passage for most young men here.

They would have an easier time taking our beer, then our rifles.

I take that back. They can't have our beer either.
 
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When your state won't cave they'll just make it federal.
That is exactly what will happen They must get national gun registration it is a necessary step then all they need is an excuse to make private ownership of firearms so restrictive that having one will be more trouble than the average citizen will think it's worth. Then as time goes on there will come time that the 2nd amendment will be wholly meaningless.

Like everything else they've done, we'll come to accept it as the status quo don't cha know?
 
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Progressive states really should be cut off until they either collapse under their own legislation or get with the program. Personally I believe in "vote with your feet" but unfortunately they pollute D.C. as well and try to export their ideas against the entire nation. Cut 'em off and strip 'em of representation until things get back to a proper constitutional mindset.

Let's deny them their Constitutional rights so they learn not to deny people their Constitutional rights.
 
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Let's deny them their Constitutional rights so they learn not to deny people their Constitutional rights.
Yep. They don't appreciate them or mine, and if they want to, like yourself, selectively enforce only those they agree with let them see how it feels, then we can go ahead and fix the country.
 
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Yep. They don't appreciate them or mine, and if they want to, like yourself, selectively enforce only those they agree with let them see how it feels, then we can go ahead and fix the country.

I guess it was too much for you to see the irony in that. "Liberals want to take away my guns because they don't trust me with them, but I want to talk way representation from liberals because I don't trust them with them." Hey you're both trying to take away rights from the others because neither trusts the other to use their rights properly, you're pretty much both the same to me in that regard.

But of course I forget you're special and different rules apply to you.
 
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I guess it was too much for you to see the irony in that. "Liberals want to take away my guns because they don't trust me with them, but I want to talk way representation from liberals because I don't trust them with them." Hey you're both trying to take away rights from the others because neither trusts the other to use their rights properly, you're pretty much both the same to me in that regard.

But of course I forget you're special and different rules apply to you.
Not surprising, you missed an opportunity to see exactly how your side sounds on these things. Tsk Tsk.
 
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Not surprising, you missed an opportunity to see exactly how your side sounds on these things. Tsk Tsk.

My side? I don't seem to recall supporting a confiscation on SKS rifles.
 
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No one forces people to stay in California.

The law would seem to run in the face of the right to not incriminate yourself.

Making possession of a "AR" type rifle (whatever the hell that means) illegal is one legal issue. It is an entirely different matter to require a person to turn themselves in.

An analogy would be to make it a felony for a person to not turn him/herself in for possession of an illegal drug - the crime NOT being possession the drug, but rather not reporting yourself (incriminating yourself) to the police.

The law should be challenged not only as a gun-rights constitutional question, but a right against incriminating yourself and a right to remain silent to the police/government.
 
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Quite often a "moderate" in the gun owner or gun rights community will go too far. I've been accused of that, many gun restrictions I can live with most I can't. The fact is the anti gun community will often say registration does not lead to confiscation. I saw a post here this week or maybe last (can't find it) where someone was making just that point - "never happens" its just the NRA scare tactic. Of course some pro gun enthusias might bring up the police taking guns during the aftermath of Katrina and what happened to the Jewish population in Germany before WWII. This topic though is never brought up, and its important.

CALIFORNIA once required a firearm to be registered, and then required it to be turned in for a $230 voucher, and if you didn't - you became a felon.
CA Codes (pen:30710-30735)

This was neve reversed by the Supreme Court of the State or the US Supreme Court and so for now it is the law of the land.

Next time an anti gun advocate says they'll never confiscate your guns - please remind them they already DID one. The SKS Sporter is banned in CA, has been confiscated, and possession is a felony.

By the way; those same politicians are now required "AR" owners to register their long guns by June 30, 2015. Don't comply = FELONY. In fact I think the language they use is the same language
they used to mandate the SKS registration. What a surprise.

The legal, judicial and prison industries are mega billion dollar enterprises. PLUS the conviction then prevents the person every voting again.

The surest way to eliminate political opposition is to take away their right to vote - and threaten to do so to others who oppose them.
 
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My side? I don't seem to recall supporting a confiscation on SKS rifles.
Oh please, you've shown yourself to be anti second already.
 
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Oh please, you've shown yourself to be anti second already.

O ya? Show me where. You won't be able to find a single post of me supporting confiscation, registration, assault weapon ban, magazine bans, none of it. You just think the Constitution begins and ends at the 2A and have no problem taking away the right to vote, another right in the Constitution, because you don't like other people's opinions. Wanting to let people keep voting doesn't make me anti second amendment, it just means I don't have blinders on.
 
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The legal, judicial and prison industries are mega billion dollar enterprises. PLUS the conviction then prevents the person every voting again.

The surest way to eliminate political opposition is to take away their right to vote - and threaten to do so to others who oppose them.
It's a thing of beauty doncha think ;)
 
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O ya? Show me where. You won't be able to find a single post of me supporting confiscation, registration, assault weapon ban, magazine bans, none of it. You just think the Constitution begins and ends at the 2A and have no problem taking away the right to vote, another right in the Constitution, because you don't like other people's opinions. Wanting to let people keep voting doesn't make me anti second amendment, it just means I don't have blinders on.
Except everywhere. Sure, you don't outright say it, but you always have that "legislatures can pass whatever they want" mentality, and you sure don't stand up on the second amendment side.
 
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Except everywhere. Sure, you don't outright say it, but you always have that "legislatures can pass whatever they want" mentality, and you sure don't stand up on the second amendment side.

I think this law to confisicate SKS rifles shouldn't have been passed and I think it should be struck down in court. And yes, I don't outright say it because I don't believe it, its not being I'm "hiding" something. I'm pretty damn clear about what I mean.

The problem is that most gun threads aren't just about guns they are about something else like state nullification of Federal Law and other wildly stupid concepts that need to be corrected, or in the case of this thread we have someone who advocates for taking away the Constitutional rights of others because they don't agree with him politically.
 
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Quite often a "moderate" in the gun owner or gun rights community will go too far. I've been accused of that, many gun restrictions I can live with most I can't.

The restrictions that you say you can ‘live with” serve no purpose other than as stepping stones to the ones you say you cannot.

If you're not fully on our side, you're not on our side.

What is happening in California is as much the fault of you and other “moderates” like yourself as it is of those who overtly oppose the right to keep and bear arms.
 
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