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Gun Confiscation - Not a Scare - A Reality [W: 70]

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I guess it was too much for you to see the irony in that. "Liberals want to take away my guns because they don't trust me with them, but I want to talk way representation from liberals because I don't trust them with them." Hey you're both trying to take away rights from the others because neither trusts the other to use their rights properly, you're pretty much both the same to me in that regard.

But of course I forget you're special and different rules apply to you.

So the liberal government is going to abuse the Constitution and deny rights but as the opposition we are supposed to follow the rules? That seems a bit one sided, doesn't it? I think we already saw this movie. We sent in a technically advanced military against a third world opposition and got our asses handed to us because of rules of engagement and such. Beings shamed into giving up by an opposition that doesn't play by the same rules is a horrible tactic. So if the antis want to throw out the Constitution then they do not deserve the protection of it.
 
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Something to keep in mind here. There are a couple of principles that I believe strongly in. One is the right to own and bear arms, another is that being a part of a church is beneficial particularly for families. I don't care which one, and it isn't even a matter of religion as much as it is being active in a community and having people to hold us to a standard.

I also support efforts to train firearm owners in safety and marksmanship. But in both cases I don't advocate forcing people to do either or to set the standards I think they should adhere to. Should we make laws that require you to attend a church at least twice a month and join a study group? After all I (and many people I know) would agree that it would be beneficial to you even if you don't understand why yet. It's good for the children to, and by teaching the appreciation of other's lives we can reduce violent crime.

I've been around the block enough times to know that forcing church participation is not going to work. In fact it is more likely to push the very people we hope to help away. I know, because I have been on the other side of it. But I have a handful of friends who have benefitted from a church (the one I go to or others) because I INVITED them. And it is the same approach I take to firearms training. I am a rifle instructor.nI have friends who are pistol instructors and we encourage safe practices thru voluntary training. And it works.

So let's drop the overbearing "I know better than you" legislative approach and train as many firearm owners as possible in how to own and operate their firearms inna responsible way because this idea of disarming folks is going to end badly.

Oh, and do your kids a favor. Find a church.
 
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The SCOTUS cannot nullify the Constitution.
Its a "what if". IF it want that far, either nullification or another amendment or another EO.
 
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When I said "the rights of others" I was refering to the right to vote, not the 2nd Amendment. In other words if you're going to deny people the right to vote because they've denied you your 2A rights, even though this is CA and you're in FL, than you should be denied your 2A rights for denying the right to vote to others. Same argument just turned around. That is if you advocate like Lamidrighter to take away their representation because you disagree with them politically.
Political disagreement and a willingness to strip rights is two different things.
 
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So the liberal government is going to abuse the Constitution and deny rights but as the opposition we are supposed to follow the rules? That seems a bit one sided, doesn't it? I think we already saw this movie. We sent in a technically advanced military against a third world opposition and got our asses handed to us because of rules of engagement and such. Beings shamed into giving up by an opposition that doesn't play by the same rules is a horrible tactic. So if the antis want to throw out the Constitution then they do not deserve the protection of it.


Following the rules is what seperates you from your opponet, personally being one of the guys in this third world country I'm glad we have standards of conduct and rules of engagement that set us above the enemy, I wouldn't want to be part of an organization that beheads people or strings them up from a bridge.

You don't see the irony in while fighting to save the Constitution as you view it, you throw out every protection and right provided in it? If you do that, what exactly are you fighting for? And who the hell are you exactly to determine who and who should not be given protection of the under? I don't recall electing you as a dictator.

Its a "what if". IF it want that far, either nullification or another amendment or another EO.

There is no "what if" its a literal impossibility.
 
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At this point the fight is over if it ever began in the first place, I'm convinced the American public will allow anything to happen going forward. I say this as someone that has watched things go one direction since I was born in 59. Both my parents were military officers, born 1919 so you can guess their values, I recall the 60's. The Federal seat belt law hah my parents actually said it was wrong, little did we know it would end up with incandescent bulbs being outlawed. Review Reagan's 64 speech on socialized medicine. The ACA and the bankruptcy of the nation both morally and financially seems inevitable.

Up until recently I thought there would be singular event that would cause the American people to demand a reversal but in talking with my Son and the other college kids in their mid-twenties I'm convinced a reversal will not come. When I rail about the issues of the day they pat me on the head and say there there AngryOldMan none of that stuff effects you, does any of that stuff effect you? I wonder if the average German in early thirties thought the same way?

He did point out that his generation wasn't worried about the debt and entitlement liabilities, he says: we aren't going to pay that. He has a point, at the rate we are going there seems to be an intention to run this nation into the ground. Odd thing the real wealth of the nation is all still here , the GDP is still ~ 15 trillion (flat no growth) the people, the resources, knowledge base. Obama has done the exact opposite of what would jump start a recovery form day one. The depression we are in like the downturn that lasted through the 70's is a result of the boomer generation all reaching the age where they cut back spending all at once. If we'd been prudent we would have arrived at 2008 with an
actual Federal surplus low taxation and a dollar so strong the world would have been complaining for years. Instead of personal debt and no real assets the average kid would be on track to inherit considerable personal wealth (real assets) not have parents hoping to work till they can get SSI/Medicaid.
(Harry S. Dent pointed out that as the boomers pulled their money out of the stock
market and shifted those assets into safer investments the dow would drop, guess we never dreamed of 85 billion a month being poured in there by the Fed)? and be handed a nation with bankrupt State, City and Federal governments that now view their citizens as property of the State.

I used to say that when the Federal Funds Rate moves off zero Watch out! The interest on the debt will destroy the dollar, I recall the sky high rates at the end of the Carter administration. But things are quite different now, then we were poised to go on a multi-decade run fueled by the baby boom in their peak spending & and productive years.
The echo boom is just that an echo their effects will be felt in the 2018 ~ 22 timeframe
then fizzle out. hah it has been said that half the reason Ted Kennedy started the flood of illegal immigration is that we need a docile underclass that reproduces to pay for the entitlement programs.

Japans peak earning population bubble burst in 1990, I realize now our rate stuck at zero since 2008 may be there for quite some time.


Japan’s two lost decades are worth considering

Who knows what the effect will be when the Fed stops easing (none of you lefties come and say we are in a recovery plz).
If the Fed moves the rate off zero the interest will chew up a greater and greater of the budget. Everyone knows the result if you attempt to monetize the debt :shock:

Some say part of the cause of WWII was the depression, there were other far greater factors butt

Alvin Toffler's Powershift predicted WWIII due to the emerging nations becoming industrial age economies, forming into blocs
and clashing with the information age nations, ok that seems far fetched but with the mid-east currently in flames who knows.

Going forward America will need the firm hand of true statesmen on the helm, Lord knows the current bunch either appear horribly incompetent or as I suspect actually trying to bring about a series of events in the economy and on the world stage that can swiftly realize nearly all their goals at once. That chills me to the bone.

So back to what my kid who's been in college since 05 thinks (yeah five year plan then applied to late to get into lawl school sat out a year finishes next May). He wasn't a commie when he left me and his mommy but after that long in a State run indoctrination camp what else would you expect?

The debt doesn't matter it's imaginary the underlying assets (the counties stuff it's tech and the people) and at this rate hah all the houses are held by Fanny May n Freddy? are still here, the young will fix it so that they unburden themselves from the yoke of having to pay social security (and all the other stuff) for the boomers and although the future holds an ever declining standard of living for the lower and middle classes
they can keep this system running virtually forever!

Now I don't know if that's the optimism of lowered expectations but it sure beats America becoming a totalitarian state or getting nuked. It

So tell me was this comparable to a CPWill post? Or did you scroll right on by as I normally?

I stopped reading when you compared yourself to a German in the 1930s, dude this is not ****ing Nazi Germany. I should have stopped reading at the tyranny of seat belt laws but I wanted to give you a chance.
 
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I stopped reading when you compared yourself to a German in the 1930s, dude this is not ****ing Nazi Germany. I should have stopped reading at the tyranny of seat belt laws but I wanted to give you a chance.




As an optimist, I don't agree with his fatalistic view of the future, but things have changed so radically in the past fifty years that I am appalled as well, but for much different reasons... Stop and think.. Why is it crazy to wonder if the Germans of 1930 had even a clue as to what the ensuing years would bring? Seat belts? Most people at the time saw it as the beginning of "big brother" in this country and would not comply..Looking back I think that I agree..The loss of freedoms has been evolving consistently and continue to erode..
 
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I don't agree with his fatalistic view of the future,
hah you made me go back and re-read my Post! kudos
My kid's view was: the future holds an ever declining standard of living for the lower and middle classes
they can keep this system running virtually forever!

Course he intends to be in the upper middle-class so he'll not be concerned with 'the little' people as long as a semblance
of civil order is maintained.

But you got my meaning regarding 1930's Germany. So many saw what was coming and GTFO!
If our economy did really and truly collapse running away to New Zealand with hard assets beforehand would be prudent :tongue4:

I'm sick n fricken tired of 'it can't happen here' sheet mang IT IS HAPPENING HERE!
levels of Government intrusion and rates of taxation that border on theft that would unimaginable only a few short decades ago
are now thought of as the new normal. Just introduce a big enough crisis and the sheeple will go along with what would have previously impossible.

Like national gun confiscation

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hah you made me go back and re-read my Post! kudos
My kid's view was: the future holds an ever declining standard of living for the lower and middle classes
they can keep this system running virtually forever!

Course he intends to be in the upper middle-class so he'll not be concerned with 'the little' people as long as a semblance
of civil order is maintained.

But you got my meaning regarding 1930's Germany. So many saw what was coming and GTFO!
If our economy did really and truly collapse running away to New Zealand with hard assets beforehand would be prudent :tongue4:

I'm sick n fricken tired of 'it can't happen here' sheet mang IT IS HAPPENING HERE!
levels of Government intrusion and rates of taxation that border on theft that would unimaginable only a few short decades ago
are now thought of as the new normal. Just introduce a big enough crisis and the sheeple will go along with what would have previously impossible.

Like national gun confiscation

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dv6no.jpg




Well I actually agree with your son...The rich get richer and the middle class is poor and the poor can barely subsist....... Not just the Germans and the Jews, I don't think anybody had a clue in 1930 what the next 15 years would be like... The colonial powers were too busy trying to colonize China which finally decided it wanted no more of it...

I really didn't notice much about taxes.. Some intrusion has come from the Federal Government, but most of it, IMO, has come from State governments....and is still coming from State Governments... Much of it for "our own good" according to the politicians..... As far as gun control... I do believe in background checks, but I would never register my weapons...ever....I never have and never will.... But we would disagree on the rest I'm sure... I don't believe that the government has any business in my bedroom or in my doctor's office.... and other issues......
 
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I really didn't notice much about taxes
That is the crux of the issue, if more people could comprehend the degree that they are being stolen from they'd object to it.
 
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Except everywhere. Sure, you don't outright say it, but you always have that "legislatures can pass whatever they want" mentality, and you sure don't stand up on the second amendment side.

Wiseone likes to be subtle.
 
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I agree that at some point, some may try. But, North Carolina's culture is different than that of California, or many other states for that matter, where this is more likely to occur.

If the State of North Carolina attempted to take any action such as this, an uprising would occur that would require massive police intervention, if not military intervention. That is what I'm basing my position on.

And I'm not being hyperbolic.

The culture of California, New York and other states that have restricted Second Amendment Rights is diametrically opposed to that of most southern states regarding the Second Amendment.

We could field our own army if the country was ever invaded. Including more crew served weapons than the Feds even know exist down here.

Hunting is a way of life for most that live outside the metro areas, and many that live within the cities. Marksmanship is a right of passage for most young men here.

They would have an easier time taking our beer, then our rifles.

I take that back. They can't have our beer either.

I think you are being naive. I've lived in only two states in my life, Co and VA. Soon to be a NC resident.

Colorado, when I was growing up, was far more gun and hunting oriented than NC ever has been or ever will be. Today CO is about to become among the top 5 most restrictive. Va laws and attitudes today are about the same as NC. We are soon to vote on a new governor. The choices are between two white collar criminals. I suspect the NoVa criminal will win. McCauliffe (the NoVa guy) has stated that he will push for New York like gun laws. I'm not sure whether he can be stopped.
 
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So the liberal government is going to abuse the Constitution and deny rights but as the opposition we are supposed to follow the rules? That seems a bit one sided, doesn't it? I think we already saw this movie. We sent in a technically advanced military against a third world opposition and got our asses handed to us because of rules of engagement and such. Beings shamed into giving up by an opposition that doesn't play by the same rules is a horrible tactic. So if the antis want to throw out the Constitution then they do not deserve the protection of it.

I think that is the major failing of too many people. Being liked takes precedence over being right. IMO that is G Bush's major failing.
 
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O ya? Show me where. You won't be able to find a single post of me supporting confiscation, registration, assault weapon ban, magazine bans, none of it. You just think the Constitution begins and ends at the 2A and have no problem taking away the right to vote, another right in the Constitution, because you don't like other people's opinions. Wanting to let people keep voting doesn't make me anti second amendment, it just means I don't have blinders on.

Except everywhere. Sure, you don't outright say it, but you always have that "legislatures can pass whatever they want" mentality, and you sure don't stand up on the second amendment side.

Wiseone likes to be subtle.

Tries to anyway.

You can't actually quote what you accuse me saying.

You're full of ****.
 
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You can't actually quote what you accuse me saying.

You're full of ****.

I'm not the one with that reputation, you are.
 
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That is the crux of the issue, if more people could comprehend the degree that they are being stolen from they'd object to it.



Taxes are one of the realities of life...when it's gone, I don't worry about where it went...
 
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You can't actually quote what you accuse me saying.

You're full of ****.

He did not say you said it, so there is nothing to quote. He said you have that "mentality." So you should ask for a quote showing that mindset.

As for the last comment. Do I need to say anything?
 
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Moderator's Warning:
People need to start addressing the topic and stop addressing people.
 
He did not say you said it, so there is nothing to quote. He said you have that "mentality." So you should ask for a quote showing that mindset.

As for the last comment. Do I need to say anything?

Well that is just nasty.

Pardon me for not taking kindly to having words put into my mouth.
 
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