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Guaido Seeks to Cooperate with US Forces In Order to Take Power

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You have repeated this claim twice now without having the nuts to cite anything to support it.

You need to provide evidence that " gangs of thugs " were " willing to machine gun anyone who votes the "wrong" way "

Both Chavez and Maduro governments have failed to diversify the economy and made some poor decisions. There may be some on the take too. But to not factor in the US economic warfare against Venezuela as a big factor in the current situation there is just an exercise in self deception , at which you seem to excel , it being something of a necessity for you


But hey, maybe the people of Venezuela enjoy not having any basic necessities like food or toilet paper due to Maduro's stupidity :roll:
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Colectivo (Venezuela) - Wikipedia

Ring any bells?

How about the videos of people getting run over by knockoff Chinese humvees?

You dont seem capable of grasping the fact that the country was already starting to fall apart well before the sanctions you cry about were imposed .

Shrieking “economic warfare” does not change that fact.

Not to mention groups like FARC and ELN are operating in Venezuela, seeking to utilize it as a safe haven to stage operations in Colombia from.

FARC Dissidents and the ELN Turn Venezuela Into Criminal Enclave

Oh, and then you have the Maduro minister who is a literal drug lord

Ex Venezuelan Vice President Tareck Zaidan El Aissami and Five Others, Including South Floridians, Indicted | Miami New Times

Secret Venezuela Files Warn About Maduro Confidant - The New York Times

U.S. designates Venezuelan Vice President El Aissam a terrorist | Miami Herald
 

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You are aware that Chavez initially tried to take power in a coup(which, by the way, failed miserably).....right?
absolutely. perez had rescinded many of the programs that provided a social safety net for the poor of venezuela. the money saved was used to pay international debts, instead
i also know that perez then fired on civilians who demonstrated against his government after the unsuccessful coups in '92

Painting him as some sort of bastion of the democratic process is laughable.
he won by landslide in the national election

Yes, how dare he squander the resources of his country to the point where his people don’t have toilet paper, much less food or medicine.
isn't that exactly what the applied sanctions were intended to produce; civilian hardship? look to gaza as a similar example

Amazing how the country is having serious electrical problems, the hospitals are in collapse, anyone with an education is getting the hell out while they still can, the technological innovations like the penisphone turned out to be flops......it’s almost like Chavez, despite claiming to do all that, didn’t actually benefit his people.
you do know that chavez has long been dead; since 2011 if i recall correctly. going to blame him for the current crisis?
 

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absolutely. perez had rescinded many of the programs that provided a social safety net for the poor of venezuela. the money saved was used to pay international debts, instead
i also know that perez then fired on civilians who demonstrated against his government after the unsuccessful coups in '92


he won by landslide in the national election


isn't that exactly what the applied sanctions were intended to produce; civilian hardship? look to gaza as a similar example


you do know that chavez has long been dead; since 2011 if i recall correctly. going to blame him for the current crisis?
Which justifies a coup in your book? In that case, a coup against Maduro would be just as justified, since he has also used force against civilians and ****ed over the common people.

Doesn't change the fact that his first instinct was to try and seize power by force. Arguing Chavez and his followers are any sort of supporters of democracy or democratic principles is flat out silly.

The sanctions are designed to hit at the leadership of Venezuela, not the civilian populace. These are not trickle down sanctions. It is the stupidity of the Maduro regime, and Chavez before him, which produced the hardship for Venezuelan civilians.

Maduro was Chavez's chosen successor and rose to power on the basis on continuing in Chavez's footsteps. Add to that the fact that Chavez did nothing to address the problems when he was in power and yes, I'd say he is just as much to blame.
 

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Yes, we all know how much you struggle with things like basic logic.

Go crawl back under your rock and take your blithering with you.
It's not our problem, Tiger! Stop beating the war drums!

Before Chavez, Venezuela had almost always been controlled by a sizable minority of cosmopolitan whites, or ''mantuanos,''
the Venezuelan term for persons with European features and pretensions. Not surprisingly, foreign investors deal almost
exclusively with members of the better-educated, English-speaking mantuano class.

Today problem is the main opposition leaders are as white and as elite as before, and the challenge for the Venezuelan opposition
is that they cannot succeed without reaching out to the masses, without reaching out to the poor and some of the poorer sectors,
thus their alliance with Guido!

Chavez definitely won fair elections & there is little doubt Maduro did also. The Chavez government
took a series of measures to combat racism against people of African descent.
The fatal flaw of democracy in multiethnic nations arrived in Venezuela long after Zimbabwe & South Africa when
opportunistic vote seeking politicians rail against a market able ethnic minority. It's a lethal ****tail.
Let's hope it doesn't spread northward!
 

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Guaido Requests US Military ‘Cooperation’ to Oust Maduro as US Vessel Violates Venezuelan Waters | Venezuelanalysis.com

I can only imagine the reaction in the US had Hillary Clinton lost the election to Trump and then declared herself president , running around the country trying to foment a violent overthrow of the government and then openly seeking to cooperate with the Russian military to further that aim :roll:
Venezuelanalysis? Pretty much literally a mouthpiece of Maduro. I bet you were one of those folks who hung upon every word of Pravda and suckled from their teat, weren't you?
 

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It's not our problem, Tiger! Stop beating the war drums!

Before Chavez, Venezuela had almost always been controlled by a sizable minority of cosmopolitan whites, or ''mantuanos,''
the Venezuelan term for persons with European features and pretensions. Not surprisingly, foreign investors deal almost
exclusively with members of the better-educated, English-speaking mantuano class.

Today problem is the main opposition leaders are as white and as elite as before, and the challenge for the Venezuelan opposition
is that they cannot succeed without reaching out to the masses, without reaching out to the poor and some of the poorer sectors,
thus their alliance with Guido!

Chavez definitely won fair elections & there is little doubt Maduro did also. The Chavez government
took a series of measures to combat racism against people of African descent.
The fatal flaw of democracy in multiethnic nations arrived in Venezuela long after Zimbabwe & South Africa when
opportunistic vote seeking politicians rail against a market able ethnic minority. It's a lethal ****tail.
Let's hope it doesn't spread northward!
Germany implemented your ideas. It murdered huge numbers of innocent people, destroyed much of Europe and was ultimately burnt to the ground and divided in half for decades.

Italy implemented your ideas. It was burnt to the ground and lost its colonies......and lost huge numbers of people as well.

Serbia implemented your ideas. It murdered numerous innocent people and was burnt to the ground.

South Africa implemented your ideas. It spent decades fighting an unwillable war with all its neighbors, became an international pariah and was sanctioned to high heaven.

Your ideas are rat poison. Everywhere they are implemented it only leads to mass murder and tyranny.
 

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Regarding US Sanctions aimed at Venezuela and at third-parties dealing with Venezuela and their impact on Venezuela, here is a stark report that claims Venezuela would be recovering right now without such sanctions in place as oil prices are rising and that tens of thousands of deaths are attributable to these US sanctions.

http://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/venezuela-sanctions-2019-04.pdf

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 

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Guaido by his words, actions and intentions is calling for foreign powers to help him forcefully overthrow the government of Venezuela a and thus is engaged in treason against his own state. He lost his bid to seize power by force and should now be arrested, tried and if found guilty punished according to Venezuelan law for his actions and his attempts to bring foreign intervention to Venezuela. In the USA he would be executed for such acts if found guilty but in Venezuela I hope they show more restraint and jail him and the other "opposition leaders" for a very long time.

Maduro is an incompetent and likely corrupt leader of what has become an incopetent and definitly corrupt government. He should be removed by the people of Venezuela democratically if possible or by force if necessary but without foreign interference or intervention. Then Maduro can share a cell beside Guaido and Lopez for a very long time. That is the outcome Venezuela needs so desperately.

Cheers.
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Germany implemented your ideas. It murdered huge numbers of innocent people, destroyed much of Europe and was ultimately burnt to the ground and divided in half for decades.

Italy implemented your ideas. It was burnt to the ground and lost its colonies......and lost huge numbers of people as well.

Serbia implemented your ideas. It murdered numerous innocent people and was burnt to the ground.

South Africa implemented your ideas. It spent decades fighting an unwillable war with all its neighbors, became an international pariah and was sanctioned to high heaven.

Your ideas are rat poison. Everywhere they are implemented it only leads to mass murder and tyranny.
You really have to stop these nonsensical tirades. I was almost sure you were about to ridicule the founders of our nation
who created a society of white men & woman along with African slaves by killing off the natives & driving those still around
over the Appalachian mountains. How did that turn out, pretty well! When will you realize everything is not black & white.

Last week it was Victor Orban in your crosshairs a man who singlhandedly ended forever Merkel's decade long bullying of Europe.
Now you think everything will be fine in Venezuela if Guido a real lightweight takes Maduro's place without realizing that in the
next Venezuelan democratic election the ethnic majority which put Chavez in power will elect another hero of the
'brown skinned pardos' again. That is unless a dictatorship of the white minorities revisits that country again. That would be the
best scenario, but that flies in the face of America's ever ending crusade for global democracies.

What business does the US have attempting a coup in Venezuela? Those bloodthirsty NeoCons who gave us Iraq and Libya are up
to their old tricks again. They are desperate for more "nation building". You'd think the the thousands of lives lost and trillions
of dollars wasted in Iraq would have taught them something, but you'd be wrong as usual.
 
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You really have to stop these nonsensical tirades. I was almost sure you were about to ridicule the founders of our nation
who created a society of white men & woman along with African slaves by killing off the natives & driving those still around
over the Appalachian mountains. How did that turn out, pretty well! When will you realize everything is not black & white.

Last week it was Victor Orban in your crosshairs a man who singlhandedly ended forever Merkel's decade long bullying of Europe.
Now you think everything will be fine in Venezuela if Guido a real lightweight takes Maduro's place without realizing that in the
next Venezuelan democratic election the ethnic majority which put Chavez in power will elect another hero of the
'brown skinned pardos' again. That is unless a dictatorship of the white minorities revisits that country again. That would be the
best scenario, but that flies in the face of America's ever ending crusade for global democracies.

What business does the US have attempting a coup in Venezuela? Those bloodthirsty NeoCons who gave us Iraq and Libya are up
to their old tricks again. They are desperate for more "nation building". You'd think the the thousands of lives lost and trillions
of dollars wasted in Iraq would have taught them something, but you'd be wrong as usual.
Yes, the people who spent all the time talking about how "all men are created equal" unless you have the "wrong" religion, or skin color, or come from the "wrong" part of Europe were rather amusing in their flailing about and attempts to avoid facing the blatant hypocrisy. And no, murdering Native American civilians was not a good thing. Enslaving African Americans was horrific as well.....because considering the fact that your hero was a slave trader and sold human beings, I already know you don't give a **** about that either.

Gee, sending a couple million ethnonationalists to a shallow grave worked out pretty well last time as well. Guess we should do it again.

And no, it is not "tirades". It is pointing out the facts. Your ideology is worthless. It has prouduced nothing of value and resulted in the murder of millions of innocent people. You crying because your hero Orban is a wannabe Horthy knockoff does not change the facts.

And by the way, no, he certainly has not "single handedly ended Merkel's bullying of Europe forever"...... especially since she was just talking about the need for Europe to unite to face down countries like the US and Russia.

The real "lightweights" are the inbred ****s you worship, who went to war to preserve slavery, or jerk off to the exploits of an admiral in a landlocked country. Considering every time a country follows your ideas it ends up a burnt out husk I'd say it's a good thing Venezuelans would tell you to stick that load of crap where the sun don't shine.

And no, the US is not "attempting a coup in Venezuela". Despite the ranting and ravings of the Maduro fanboys and CTers, there is no evidence that Guiado works for the US in any way, shape or form. When you run the Courtney so far into the ground that people don't have enough toilet paper, much less medicine or food, they are going to get fed up. And no, a white supremacist dictatorship would be a gargantuan distaster for the country......which, thankfully, is why it is never going to happen.

Gaddafi and Saddam were both brutal thugs who committed numerous atrocities for decades. Gaddafi armed and assisted just about every terrorist group under the sun, and ordered multiple terrorist attacks as well. Saddam "only" gassed his own people and invaded all of his neighbors.

You think the millions of lives lost and total failure everywhere in the world would convince you "ethnonationalists" to crawl back under your rocks, but sadly you are still spewing your crap.
 

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Regarding US Sanctions aimed at Venezuela and at third-parties dealing with Venezuela and their impact on Venezuela, here is a stark report that claims Venezuela would be recovering right now without such sanctions in place as oil prices are rising and that tens of thousands of deaths are attributable to these US sanctions.

http://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/venezuela-sanctions-2019-04.pdf



Cheers.
Evilroddy.
Gee, what a surprise, a pro Maduro website blames everything on the sanctions :roll:

"CEPR has published at length about Venezuela and has been described as supporting Hugo Chávez and the Venezuelan government[15][16][17] with some of the data presented by CEPR along with Weisbrot being accused of using slanted information to support the Venezuelan government.[18][19][20][21] Staff members such as Mark Weisbrot, CEPR's founder, and Deborah James, the former director of the Venezuelan government's Venezuela Information Office, have attended pro-Venezuelan government events alongside other activists such as Daniel Kovalik.[22][23][24][25][26] Venezuelanalysis.com, a pro-Bolivarian website, has also used CEPR as their only source of economic indicators for their website since 2007.[27][28]

In October 2012, Weisbrot wrote an op-ed for The New York Times that stated in part, "[a]lthough some media have talked of Venezuela’s impending economic collapse for more than a decade, it hasn’t happened and is not likely to happen."[29]"

Center for Economic and Policy Research - Wikipedia

Your source is about as credible as Pravda or whatever the **** North Korea's official state news calls itself.
 

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except the election wasnt legitimate and virtually every first world nation has chosen to not recognize the results. When only the "axis of evil" supports the results you know you are on the wrong side
The election wasn't legitimate? Was the US election legitimate? Do other countries have to recognize the results of elections?
 

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Gee, what a surprise, a pro Maduro website blames everything on the sanctions :roll:

"CEPR has published at length about Venezuela and has been described as supporting Hugo Chávez and the Venezuelan government[15][16][17] with some of the data presented by CEPR along with Weisbrot being accused of using slanted information to support the Venezuelan government.[18][19][20][21] Staff members such as Mark Weisbrot, CEPR's founder, and Deborah James, the former director of the Venezuelan government's Venezuela Information Office, have attended pro-Venezuelan government events alongside other activists such as Daniel Kovalik.[22][23][24][25][26] Venezuelanalysis.com, a pro-Bolivarian website, has also used CEPR as their only source of economic indicators for their website since 2007.[27][28]

In October 2012, Weisbrot wrote an op-ed for The New York Times that stated in part, "[a]lthough some media have talked of Venezuela’s impending economic collapse for more than a decade, it hasn’t happened and is not likely to happen."[29]"

Center for Economic and Policy Research - Wikipedia

Your source is about as credible as Pravda or whatever the **** North Korea's official state news calls itself.
Well, aren't both sides presenting a rather simplified version of what is happening?
 

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Well, aren't both sides presenting a rather simplified version of what is happening?
There's "simplifying things" and then there's "literally just acting as a mouthpiece for the Maduro regime". CEPR is very much doing
the latter.
 

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The U.S. won't take Guaido seriously. Its more focused on Iran and the Middle-East, so I'd take the source with a grain of salt. That being said, I think it would be incredibly naive and foolhardy to try to claim either side of this power-struggle is an innocent widdle angel in need of coddling and whitewashing. I don't think anything good can come of Maduro being in power. On the other hand, nothing good has ever come of U.S. interventionism these past several decades. Look up 'Operation Condor' whenever you get a chance (whoever is reading this), it will utterly blow your mind.
 

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There's "simplifying things" and then there's "literally just acting as a mouthpiece for the Maduro regime". CEPR is very much doing
the latter.
What do you think most media outlets do? I mean, the media in the US is pretty bad especially when it comes to countries like Venezuela. The truth is not to be found.

What did the US media say about the US's attempts at deposing Hugo Chavez in 2002?
 

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2/3 of the voters believe they elected the right person
why are you opposed to democracy
Maduro is blocked aid that would have help the citizens of Venezuela with basic living necessities?

His thugs (the collectivos" attacking civilian protesters with firearms?

Government taking control over the internet which severely limits basic communication of it's citizens over fear it's fear of the truth being spread?

People resorting to sewer water to survive?

Democracy in Venezuela................................................. took the last train for the coast.
 

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In other words.... Venezuelans want Maduro out...

He is propped up now by the military, the Russians, the Cubans and armed toughs....
You can repeat the mantra in the first line as often as you want if it makes you feel better but the more accurate statement is that some want him out and others still support him

The more the section of the opposition that is relying on US/US proxy military receives that endorsement the less likely they are to seek a negotiated settlement to the conflict in Venezuelan politics/economic life

You could just as easily phrase it as Guaido is still being propped up by the US , the old colonialists , and anyone too scared to openly disagree with the US and their toughs
 

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Still ignorant of the Constitution of Venezuela I see.

Maduro won a SHAM election in 2018 only "recognized" primarily by strongman governments and the losers of the cold war....
I would say that it is you that is ignorant of the constitution. As I understand it , should Maduro become unable to rule through illness or death the role goes to the vice president with elections to follow, not some foreign proxy that announces himself president after phone calls with the members of the US government

Read Armed Madhouse ( Greg Palast ) and have a look at some of the data and events that occur in your own elections

Your black and white , winners and losers, good versus evil appraoch to everything shows a very childlike attitude imho
 

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Still suspect.
The liars in the US military/intelligence that told you there were WMDS in Iraq didn't get fired for it, they all have jobs as " analysts " with MSM sources you would NEVER deem to be " suspect "

Some of the MSM sources have already been outed for misrepresenting events in a bid to defame the Maduro government and it has been spoken about in this very forum

Have used people close to the Guaido camp to give their views about the situation in Venezuela without letting on that they are not the independent analysts people assume they are. Recall the Iraqis throwing babies out of the incubators story told by ? The daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US.

The problem you have is that you cannot stand people putting the other side of the argument up and are compelled to cry foul whilst at the same time ignoring the already well known BS coming out of the MSM of which the above are just some examples

So , who gives a **** about what you think really ?
 

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there is no logic to your posts
you lament that venezuela is not left alone to sort its own politics while simultaneously celebrating the US sanctions which are harming that country's economy and the peoples' wellbeing
It's what happens to people who are compelled to support the actions of their own state over those that opt to support principles/standards etc etc

This poster laments some of the actions taken/crimes commited against the Palestinians but cannot comment on the fact that it is his own chosen faction/state that is largely responsible for them happening in the first place

Be sure too that if the US sent in forces or Special Ops working with proxies into Venezuela , despite the call to leave them to sort it out for themselves , they would support that also.

People just don't seem to realize the glaring hypocrisy and/or moral gymnastics it takes to support a state in everything it does like these partisan hacks do

On the bright side they do present endless opportunities to leave themselves wide open to ridicule for it :lol:
 

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Lol if the Venezuelan people were actually left alone to sort things out Maduro would be out the door in about two seconds flat, which is why Moscow, Havana, and Beijing have made it clear they are utterly uninterested the Venezuelan people being left alone. Going into hysterics about the US government does not change that fact.

Except, again, Venezuela was going down the toilet long before the sanctions you cry about were implemented due to the stupidity of Chavez and Maduro. The sanctions do hamper the efforts of Maduro and his ministers to further enrich themselves at the expense of the people of Venezuela.....which is the real reason why you hate them so much.
So, you have avoided mentioning your claim that " the Venezuelan people " want Maduro out is not the accurate way to phrase the situation , seeing as he still has the support of millions of people, predominantly from the poorest sector of society

You have also neglected to mention the fact that most Venezuelans don't want an outside intervention to interfere with their situation.

I will assume the projection you engaged in wrt the facts has subsided in the face of its outing :roll:

If what you say is true about the Venezuelan people , who you don't seem to know too much about btw , being left alone would oust Maduro in 2 seconds flat how come this hasn't happened and why are you defending US interference ?

I could understand your view if the Russians had tens of thousands of troops there , or the Chinese did , or the Cubans did but they don't . IIRC there were reports that a hundred or so Russian troops arrived with military equipment some weeks ago . The thousands of Cubans there are virtually all doctors from what I have read and I haven't read anything about any Chinese forces in Venezuela. The support they are giving to Venezuela appears to be more in the diplomatic arena where they are blocking , ironically , genuine attempts by others to interfere in the internal affairs of Venezuela and are quoting the UN Charter stuff about the sovereignty of nations states

Your commentary appears to be totally based on ignorance or fantasy
 

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Your post literally admits that people didn’t want to vote in a rigged ejection, like I said(which makes the 2/3rds claim justabubba is tossing around even more meaningless).

Coming from a tankie, what you consider “BS” is irrelevant.
Trying to shift the goalposts and thinking nobody will notice just about sums you and your commentary up in a nutshell

You claimed that the people didn't want to vote because they feared being thrown into dungeons or being gunned down by Maduro " thugs" and now you have switched to they didn't want to vote in a rigged election

So when your BS was exposed as such you thought you could just shifty them sticks and nobody would notice ? :lamo
 

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Colectivo (Venezuela) - Wikipedia

Ring any bells?

How about the videos of people getting run over by knockoff Chinese humvees?

You dont seem capable of grasping the fact that the country was already starting to fall apart well before the sanctions you cry about were imposed .

Shrieking “economic warfare” does not change that fact.

Not to mention groups like FARC and ELN are operating in Venezuela, seeking to utilize it as a safe haven to stage operations in Colombia from.

FARC Dissidents and the ELN Turn Venezuela Into Criminal Enclave

Oh, and then you have the Maduro minister who is a literal drug lord

Ex Venezuelan Vice President Tareck Zaidan El Aissami and Five Others, Including South Floridians, Indicted | Miami New Times

Secret Venezuela Files Warn About Maduro Confidant - The New York Times

U.S. designates Venezuelan Vice President El Aissam a terrorist | Miami Herald
You must have gotten a masters in BS

Not a single one of the links you provided back up your fantastical claims regarding why many people chose not to participate in the Venezuelan election of 2018. Not a single, solitary one of them , so I can only assume you thought people would see them and not bother to actually check them against your claims of dungeons and the murder of people for voting the wrong way

Three of them are about the one man and his alleged involvement in drugs trafficking

One is about the fall out from the war in Colombia and the drug trafficking they are involved in

The other one is about the poor forming gangs , ruling their neighbourhoods and fighting/killing opposition protesters/gangs that have also killed some people from the opposition side :roll:

Your attempt to fool the reader that your links back up your claims is hysterical and has failed miserably:mrgreen:

You came out with BS claims and they REMAIN BS claims, only now we have the added luxury of seeing just how far you will go to try to fool people that your BS is actually based in reality . Talk about ****ting and falling back in it !!
 

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Venezuelanalysis? Pretty much literally a mouthpiece of Maduro. I bet you were one of those folks who hung upon every word of Pravda and suckled from their teat, weren't you?
:lamo

It's no secret that the site is pro the Bolivarian Revolution and supports the views of Chavistas and nobody is claiming otherwise. That said there is always two sides to these stories , you are just objecting to the bias of one side and actually remaining silent on the bias of the other side in true BS fashion.

I am very well versed with how the media works in the West and let's just say you don't always have to directly pay the piper to call the tune. Did you forget the Iraqi WMDs ? Or Russia installed Trump on America BS ?

I don't know you well enough to make the call on what MSM BS you might or might not have suckled on so will leave it at that. You don't know anything about me either but it didn't stop you casting aspersions did it ? That says more about you and why you will be laughed at here
 
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