Gretchen Whitmer vetoes three voter ID bills meant to tighten election security

[mrjurrs]

Flogging on the liberal myth. Why then, has minority voting increase so much in the last 2 to 3 elections? Because of 'voter suppression'?

Thanks for admitting it has been a problem in the past. Do you think increasing population numbers may account for that increase?

How would you describe felony disenfranchisement? I'd call it an example of voter suppression.

 

[eohrnberger]

Thanks for admitting it has been a problem in the past. Do you think increasing population numbers may account for that increase?

How would you describe felony disenfranchisement? I'd call it an example of voter suppression.

I thought we were talking about the liberal myth of minority voters being suppressed here.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Don't know about Michigan but here in Texas, getting an ID can be a nightmare.

Lines at Texas DPS driver’s license offices are so long, people are arriving at 2 a.m.​

Need to go to a Texas Department of Public Safety driver’s license office anytime before 2022?

Then you better get in line. But first, set your alarm clock.

People are lining up as early as 2 a.m. outside mega centers in Carrollton, Garland, and others across North Texas, KXAS-TV (NBC 5) reports, a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

There has been a backlog of customers at driver’s license offices since they reopened in July 2020, DPS told the station. Appointments must be booked months in advance, but people are waiting in lines every day for a select number of standby same-day appointments.

The walk-ups are taken on a first-come, first-serve basis and are given out when other appointments are canceled.

After years of lines wrapping around buildings and hours-long waits, the state provided DPS with additional funding and 100 new employees were hired in 2018. But the problems continued even before the pandemic, which led DPS to implement the appointment system and expand hours last year.

Lines at Texas DPS driver’s license offices are so long, people are arriving at 2 a.m.

Need to go to a Texas Department of Public Safety driver’s license office anytime before 2022? Then you better get in line. But first, set your alarm clock....

www.dallasnews.com

 

[American]

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer vetoed three bills Friday aimed at tightening voter ID laws in the highly competitive state.

Whitmer, a Democrat, said the trio of GOP-backed bills would have made it harder for people without state IDs to vote in the elections and that they largely affected people of color.

Gretchen Whitmer vetoes three voter ID bills meant to tighten election security - Washington Examiner

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer vetoed three bills Friday aimed at tightening voter ID laws in the highly competitive state. Whitmer, a Democrat, said the trio of GOP-backed bills would have made it harder for people without state IDs to vote in the elections and that they largely affected people...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

A tired excuse that's been completely debunked by the fact that they need IDs for a ton of other necessary things, and by follow-up a study.

A major study finding that voter ID laws hurt minorities isn’t standing up well under scrutiny

A follow-up study suggests voter ID laws may not have a big effect on elections.

www.vox.com

 

[American]

Don't know about Michigan but here in Texas, getting an ID can be a nightmare.

Lines at Texas DPS driver’s license offices are so long, people are arriving at 2 a.m.​

Need to go to a Texas Department of Public Safety driver’s license office anytime before 2022?

Then you better get in line. But first, set your alarm clock.

People are lining up as early as 2 a.m. outside mega centers in Carrollton, Garland, and others across North Texas, KXAS-TV (NBC 5) reports, a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

There has been a backlog of customers at driver’s license offices since they reopened in July 2020, DPS told the station. Appointments must be booked months in advance, but people are waiting in lines every day for a select number of standby same-day appointments.

The walk-ups are taken on a first-come, first-serve basis and are given out when other appointments are canceled.

After years of lines wrapping around buildings and hours-long waits, the state provided DPS with additional funding and 100 new employees were hired in 2018. But the problems continued even before the pandemic, which led DPS to implement the appointment system and expand hours last year.

Lines at Texas DPS driver’s license offices are so long, people are arriving at 2 a.m.

Need to go to a Texas Department of Public Safety driver’s license office anytime before 2022? Then you better get in line. But first, set your alarm clock....

www.dallasnews.com

How to Avoid Long Driver's License Lines in North Texas

If you’ve ever had to get a driver’s license in Texas, you’ve probably experienced a wait. But in some places across North Texas, it’s literally out the door in dangerously high temperatures. Lines, the Department of Public Safety says can be avoided.

www.nbcdfw.com

 

[vesper]

Gretchen Whitmer can't afford to sign into law legislation that would make it harder to cheat because she would be cutting her own throat in her own upcoming election.

 

[eohrnberger]

Gretchen Whitmer can't afford to sign into law legislation that would make it harder to cheat because she would be cutting her own throat in her own upcoming election.

Ex Detroit Police Chief Craig appears to be running a good campaign.
While other cities were going through the riots last year, he effectively managed the protests such that they didn't become riots, yet were able to exercise their 1A rights to protest and assemble.

 

[mrjurrs]

I thought we were talking about the liberal myth of minority voters being suppressed here.

It's not a liberal myth. Why do you suppose there are multiple amendments in the Constitution to protect voting rights (or did you think poll taxes were used to keep white people from voting). Disenfranchisement of felons suppresses minority votes based on unequal incarceration of the races. Or do you feel there in no racial bias in sentencing also?

 

[JasperL]

A tired excuse that's been completely debunked by the fact that they need IDs for a ton of other necessary things, and by follow-up a study.

A major study finding that voter ID laws hurt minorities isn’t standing up well under scrutiny

A follow-up study suggests voter ID laws may not have a big effect on elections.

www.vox.com

They don't "need" IDs for those 'necessary' things or they'd.....already have IDs on the list. The numbers in a state of registered voters with no acceptable ID on those short lists ranges from maybe 200k such as in NC to 700k or more in places like PA.

 

[eohrnberger]

It's not a liberal myth. Why do you suppose there are multiple amendments in the Constitution to protect voting rights (or did you think poll taxes were used to keep white people from voting).

Are there any poll taxes currently being enforced?

Disenfranchisement of felons suppresses minority votes based on unequal incarceration of the races. Or do you feel there in no racial bias in sentencing also?

Don't do the crime then. Deciding to commit a crime is a willful act, and one that carries with it consequences.

Restoration of Voting Rights for Felons is on a state by state basis, in existing laws. Those voting rights are restored in compliance with those existing state laws.
What's your problem with that?

Restoration of Voting Rights for Felons​

It has been common practice in the United States to make felons ineligible to vote, in some cases permanently. Over the last few decades, the general trend has been toward reinstating the right to vote at some point, although this is a state-by-state policy choice. (See Recent State Action below for a chronology.)

Currently, state approaches to felon disenfranchisement vary tremendously. NCSL has divided states into four categories, as detailed in Table 1 below.

In all cases, "automatic restoration" does not mean that voter registration is automatic. Typically prison officials automatically inform election officials that an individual's rights have been restored. The person is then responsible for re-registering through normal processes. Some states, California is one example, require that voter registration information be provided to formerly incarcerated people.

Felon Voting Rights

It has been common practice in the United States to make felons ineligible to vote, in some cases permanently. Over the last few decades, the general trend has been toward reinstating the right to vote at some point, although this is a state-by-state policy choice.

www.ncsl.org

 

[mrjurrs]

Are there any poll taxes currently being enforced?

Don't do the crime then. Deciding to commit a crime is a willful act, and one that carries with it consequences.

Restoration of Voting Rights for Felons is on a state by state basis, in existing laws. Those voting rights are restored in compliance with those existing state laws.
What's your problem with that?

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Restoration of Voting Rights for Felons​

It has been common practice in the United States to make felons ineligible to vote, in some cases permanently. Over the last few decades, the general trend has been toward reinstating the right to vote at some point, although this is a state-by-state policy choice. (See Recent State Action below for a chronology.)​

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Currently, state approaches to felon disenfranchisement vary tremendously. NCSL has divided states into four categories, as detailed in Table 1 below.​

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In all cases, "automatic restoration" does not mean that voter registration is automatic. Typically prison officials automatically inform election officials that an individual's rights have been restored. The person is then responsible for re-registering through normal processes. Some states, California is one example, require that voter registration information be provided to formerly incarcerated people.​

Felon Voting Rights

It has been common practice in the United States to make felons ineligible to vote, in some cases permanently. Over the last few decades, the general trend has been toward reinstating the right to vote at some point, although this is a state-by-state policy choice.

www.ncsl.org

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The 24th Amendment eliminated poll taxes, but if you have to pay for an ID is there any difference?

Felon disenfranchisement suppresses the vote. I'm not arguing specifics about the laws, it just does. Do you disagree? Or are you okay with states passing laws that disenfranchise voters?

 

[eohrnberger]

The 24th Amendment eliminated poll taxes, but if you have to pay for an ID is there any difference?

If you are participating in society at all, you have the required identification. Hell, a utility bill.
The only ones who might not are people who have been living 'off the grid' in the woods for a decade, and what's the chance they'd come in from the woods to vote?
This is a specious argument.

It is also an example of 'the soft bigotry of low expectations', that minorities are incapable of having or obtaining an ID which meets the voter ID requirements.

Felon disenfranchisement suppresses the vote. I'm not arguing specifics about the laws, it just does. Do you disagree? Or are you okay with states passing laws that disenfranchise voters?

I don't.
A convicted felon had a debt to pay to society, as they say, for the crimes of which he was convicted and their Restoration of Voting Rights is part of the terms of that debt.
Where was the convicted felon's voting concerns while he was committing his felony?

 

[mrjurrs]

If you are participating in society at all, you have the required identification. Hell, a utility bill.
The only ones who might not are people who have been living 'off the grid' in the woods for a decade, and what's the chance they'd come in from the woods to vote?
This is a specious argument.

It is also an example of 'the soft bigotry of low expectations', that minorities are incapable of having or obtaining an ID which meets the voter ID requirements.

I don't.
A convicted felon had a debt to pay to society, as they say, for the crimes of which he was convicted and their Restoration of Voting Rights is part of the terms of that debt.
Where was the convicted felon's voting concerns while he was committing his felony?

Utility bills are generally not acceptable. I think you'd find less objections to voter ID if voters didn't have to pay for them, or if they just accepted all forms of ID. Low expectations? Some people have jobs that don't allow them time off during the week, or the person simply cannot afford to miss work. Others would have to choose whether to pay for the ID or purchase some essential.

Looking forward to your example of sentencing hearings including the punishment of lifetime disenfranchisement after the judicial penalty is paid. This is specifically targeted at preventing minorities from voting. Recognize a pattern?

Felony Disenfranchisement Laws (Map)

A patchwork of state felony disfranchisement laws, varying in severity from state to state, prevent approximately 5.85 million Americans with felony (and in several states misdemeanor) convictions from voting. Confusion about and misapplication of these laws de facto disenfranchise countless...

www.aclu.org

 

[eohrnberger]

Utility bills are generally not acceptable. I think you'd find less objections to voter ID if voters didn't have to pay for them, or if they just accepted all forms of ID. Low expectations? Some people have jobs that don't allow them time off during the week, or the person simply cannot afford to miss work. Others would have to choose whether to pay for the ID or purchase some essential.

I think you are inventing victim-hood without victims.

A major study finding that voter ID laws hurt minorities isn’t standing up well under scrutiny

A follow-up study suggests voter ID laws may not have a big effect on elections.

www.vox.com

Looking forward to your example of sentencing hearings including the punishment of lifetime disenfranchisement after the judicial penalty is paid. This is specifically targeted at preventing minorities from voting. Recognize a pattern?

Felony Disenfranchisement Laws (Map)

A patchwork of state felony disfranchisement laws, varying in severity from state to state, prevent approximately 5.85 million Americans with felony (and in several states misdemeanor) convictions from voting. Confusion about and misapplication of these laws de facto disenfranchise countless...

www.aclu.org

Don't hold your breath. Gotten far too off topic from 'Gretchen Whitmer vetoes three voter ID bills meant to tighten election security'.