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Greenhouse Gas Emissions Accelerate Like a ‘Speeding Freight Train’ in 2018

ElChupacabra said:
Sure, but there's that added bit that comes along with the use of technology. Whether we can use technology to reduce our impact is the challenge; and it's one that shouldn't really be a point of contention if we're of the mindset that seeks to constantly improve existing technology.
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USA have also greater opportunity not only to reduce C02 emission but also save money trough for example energy efficiency measure. Because C02 emissions, energy use and electric power consumption per capita in US is more than double that of many other developed countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_energy_consumption_per_capita

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/eg.use.elec.kh.pc

While even American coal states like Indiana is abandoning coal for cheaper renewable energy.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/11/0...ith-renewables-will-save-customers-4-billion/
 
buck said:
Wasn't the time to act a few years ago and if we didn't act at that time it would be too late? Then it seems that some of the predictions were that by now, we would already have cities underwater. There are countless examples of failed predictions. How often do they have to be wrong, before some will finally question these continued predictions?

Reminds me of the Jehovah witnesses and their constant claim that the end is here, only to be proven wrong again and again. Never understood why the JW kept in the church after that...
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We should have started years ago. Since we didn't, it's now critical. Oh, we already have cities under water.

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Miami Beach's Tidal Flooding Has Jumped by 400 Percent in the Past Decade



But keep on denying.
 
smallvoice said:
Well, into the stupid bin with Mr Potatohead...
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You said "tree huggers" want to kill everybody and someone does it back and you get all triggered, do you? :lamo

Ok chief. Have fun in the safe space.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
USA have also greater opportunity not only to reduce C02 emission but also save money trough for example energy efficiency measure. Because C02 emissions, energy use and electric power consumption per capita in US is more than double that of many other developed countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_energy_consumption_per_capita

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/eg.use.elec.kh.pc

While even American coal states like Indiana is abandoning coal for cheaper renewable energy.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/11/0...ith-renewables-will-save-customers-4-billion/
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Yep, and the scarier looming issue is the growth of developing nations once they get their middle class at comparable population numbers and levels of consumption. I think it's a great opportunity for the US to lead the way in this regard; much as it did in other areas at the turn of the last century and onward. I completely understand the issues around transitioning from old technology, but that shouldn't stymie progress.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Sure, but there's that added bit that comes along with the use of technology. Whether we can use technology to reduce our impact is the challenge; and it's one that shouldn't really be a point of contention if we're of the mindset that seeks to constantly improve existing technology.
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In environmental discussion, and in the end, the only way to achieve their goals is less people.
 
Deuce said:
You're comparing atmospheric concentration figures, not emissions.
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Do you think that the atmospheric levels of CO2 might just be somewhat related to emissions?
 
longview said:
Do you think that the atmospheric levels of CO2 might just be somewhat related to emissions?
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Yes, but apparently you're unfamiliar with the variations in uptake that also affect the outcome.
 
Deuce said:
Yes, but apparently you're unfamiliar with the variations in uptake that also affect the outcome.
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Since all of the scenarios are based on the atmospheric CO2 levels, I would think that is what matters.
The level is the net result of the emissions and the uptake.
 
longview said:
Since all of the scenarios are based on the atmospheric CO2 levels, I would think that is what matters.
The level is the net result of the emissions and the uptake.
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Yes. It is.
 
Deuce said:
Animals also breathe
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Do you have anything substantive to clarify what they categorize in this data as "human-caused carbon emission" and what is outside that subset of all carbon emissions?
 
Deuce said:
We didn't come up in one meeting and that absolves us of a century of emissions? Interesting take.
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So now we are going back in time? But, I'll take that as an admission that the US (Trump and all) is currently doing it's share regarding global warming. Meanwhile, in Paris, the same Paris as in the "Paris Accord", liberals are protesting increased taxes on fossil fuels.
 
Moderate Right said:
So now we are going back in time? But, I'll take that as an admission that the US (Trump and all) is currently doing it's share regarding global warming. Meanwhile, in Paris, the same Paris as in the "Paris Accord", liberals are protesting increased taxes on fossil fuels.
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Nobody on the planet has "done their part" yet as far as I can tell.

The French are protesting a lot of stuff. They do that. It's kinda their thing. The current riots are about more than just fuel taxes.
 
Deuce said:
Nobody on the planet has "done their part" yet as far as I can tell.

The French are protesting a lot of stuff. They do that. It's kinda their thing. The current riots are about more than just fuel taxes.
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The French are liberals and big on the global warming thing but when push comes to shove, those very same liberals protest increased taxes on fossil fuels. All of the so called climate change experts all agree on one thing, that the best we can do is try limiting the amount of temperature increases. In other words, no matter what we do, temperatures will rise. That is the position of the right and the deniers on the left won't accept their own facts regarding this.
 
Samhain said:
You know what creates zero greenhouse gases? Not being alive.
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Not being alive will also keep your house from ever needing to be tidied up again.
 
Moderate Right said:
The French are liberals and big on the global warming thing but when push comes to shove, those very same liberals protest increased taxes on fossil fuels. All of the so called climate change experts all agree on one thing, that the best we can do is try limiting the amount of temperature increases. In other words, no matter what we do, temperatures will rise. That is the position of the right and the deniers on the left won't accept their own facts regarding this.
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"The French" are not some big monolithic group, with all of them having the exact same political opinions or education. This is no different than saying "The Americans" believe this or that.

At the risk of sounding elitist: the educated French tend to see the long term risks. But there is a large working class there, many of them very uneducated, and very worried about their blue collar jobs, etc... not too different from what's happening here. They do not see the long term picture, and do not want to pay the short term price to secure potential long term benefits.
 
when will conservatives realize the same people telling them climate change is a hoax or not man made or whatever their latest narrative is are the same liars who told them "President Obama was born in Kenya", "his BC a forgery", "he wants to kill old people", the vile and disgusting "stand down" lies and the always hilarious "republicans really really really want to balance the budget".
 
Moderate Right said:
The French are liberals and big on the global warming thing but when push comes to shove, those very same liberals protest increased taxes on fossil fuels. All of the so called climate change experts all agree on one thing, that the best we can do is try limiting the amount of temperature increases. In other words, no matter what we do, temperatures will rise. That is the position of the right and the deniers on the left won't accept their own facts regarding this.
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You are confusing a few different things. Just because we may not be able to stop temperature rise doesn't mean all attempts at curtailing it are futile. That is the position of every scientific organization on the entire planet.
 
ataraxia said:
"The French" are not some big monolithic group, with all of them having the exact same political opinions or education. This is no different than saying "The Americans" believe this or that.

At the risk of sounding elitist: the educated French tend to see the long term risks. But there is a large working class there, many of them very uneducated, and very worried about their blue collar jobs, etc... not too different from what's happening here. They do not see the long term picture, and do not want to pay the short term price to secure potential long term benefits.
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I'm all for replacing dirty energy with clean energy but not at the expense of the little people, which will always be the case. Cars are very popular things, just as horses were 150 years ago. People also need to work. The market will transition this change all by itself. The left claim they care about the 99 percenters but they are fine with eliminating dirty jobs and taxing the 99 percenters in order to get them to stop driving as much. Or, they could theoretically eliminate gas driven cars and force people to drive electric cars, increasing the cost of vehicles to those 99 percenters. Sometimes tree huggers only care about the trees and not the people.
 
Vern said:
when will conservatives realize the same people telling them climate change is a hoax or not man made or whatever their latest narrative is are the same liars who told them "President Obama was born in Kenya", "his BC a forgery", "he wants to kill old people", the vile and disgusting "stand down" lies and the always hilarious "republicans really really really want to balance the budget".
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But your Messiah, upon his nomination, proclaimed it "was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

Another lie.
 
Taylor said:
I hear Bernie Sanders racked up $300,000 in private jet costs just last month. If only those damned climate deniers could be more like climate-loving Bernie.
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Oh look, the ole "if I can pretend some random person is a hypocrite on some random issue, I can ignore the facts" post. good job, your conservative masters will be pleased. speaking of your conservative masters

The corporate parent of Fox News, the cable network most closely associated with denying the dangers of climate change, has achieved its goal of becoming carbon neutral three years after making the commitment, its top executive, Rupert Murdoch, announced in a letter to News Corp employees obtained by The Huffington Post.

Fox News hosts have routinely ridiculed efforts to reduce the human population’s carbon footprint and has mocked environmentalists and politicians for proposing more efficient light bulbs and better inflated tires.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/01/rupert-murdoch-news-corp-carbon-neutral_n_829640.html

Oddly News Corp is quite proud of their efforts

https://newscorpcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/newscorp_carbonfootprintfy17.pdf

so Taylor, does an actual example of hypocrisy (and flaming hypocrisy at that) influence your predetermined obedient opinion?
 
ataraxia said:
You are confusing a few different things. Just because we may not be able to stop temperature rise doesn't mean all attempts at curtailing it are futile. That is the position of every scientific organization on the entire planet.
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Every scientific organization on the entire planet has stated as fact that the best we can do is limit temperature increases. That is their goal, to limit the size of the increases. In other words, no matter what we do, temperatures are going to rise.
 
Moderate Right said:
The French are liberals and big on the global warming thing but when push comes to shove, those very same liberals protest increased taxes on fossil fuels. All of the so called climate change experts all agree on one thing, that the best we can do is try limiting the amount of temperature increases. In other words, no matter what we do, temperatures will rise. That is the position of the right and the deniers on the left won't accept their own facts regarding this.
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So the liberal climate scientists are saying the best we can do is try to limit the rise and also somehow liberals aren't accepting this. Got it.

You're inventing liberal positions so you can plant yourself on a liberal position and claim it as your own. Yes, we liberals are saying we need to act to limit the temperature rise because we've already done some damage. The temperature will continue to rise as we've already put it "on deck" via our emissions. We can't stop that. Exactly what is it you're objecting to here?
 
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