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Greeks protest against Golden Dawn attack on Communists

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Thousands of Greeks took to the streets of Athens on Friday to protestagainst a violent attack on Communist party members by black-shirted supporters of the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party which left nine people in hospital with serious injuries.In what was described as a murderous attack – and the most serious violence since the extremist group was elected to the country's parliament last year – about 50 men wielding crowbars and bats set upon leftists as they distributed posters in a working-class district of the capital late on Thursday.
In a statement KKE, the Communist party of Greece, said: "The way in which they acted and the weapons employed … are evidence of the murderous nature of the attack. Among the Golden Dawners, some of whom had covered their faces or wore helmets or [party] shirts, were their leaders, well-known fascists and thugs."
With the Communist party preparing to stage a youth festival in the coming days, Thursday's midnight assault comes amid mounting fears that the far right is trying to cultivate an atmosphere of civil war in Greece. Prominent members of the virulently anti-immigrant Golden Dawn have openly predicted that the debt-stricken country is heading towards civil war.


Read more @:Greeks protest against Golden Dawn attack on Communists | World news | theguardian.com

Fascist thugs! Fascism is back and taking on new names and tactics but as always, in the end it destroys those who support it, after much collateral damage
 

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They're attacking communists, who cares. Let the 2 radical groups fight among themselves.

As long as no non-partisan civilians are harmed, it's all good.
 

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According to a new Greek poll, Golden Dawn's popularity in Greece may be waning and Golden Dawn only gained 13% in the poll. The party won as high as 18% of the vote in previous polls and the party is unlikely to surpass the two major parties in future elections. The same poll showed that the Coalition of the Radical Left (SYRIZA) would win 29% of the vote if national elections were held now and the conservative New Democracy party took second place with 28% and the left-wing coalition is gaining momentum.
 

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They're attacking communists, who cares. Let the 2 radical groups fight among themselves.

As long as no non-partisan civilians are harmed, it's all good.

But they are... immigrants, Muslims, Jews, gays and so on are all on the Golden Dawn hit list. Communist is just this threads "target".
 

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But they are... immigrants, Muslims, Jews, gays and so on are all on the Golden Dawn hit list. Communist is just this threads "target".

When the pie shrinks to a point of survival, all things become a question of rightful entitlement.
 

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But they are... immigrants, Muslims, Jews, gays and so on are all on the Golden Dawn hit list. Communist is just this threads "target".

Well you can penalize them for attacking those ethnic/religious groups (unless they are attacking extremist entities within those groups) but I wouldn't penalize them for attacking communists. Let the 2 extremist weaken one another.
 

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Well you can penalize them for attacking those ethnic/religious groups (unless they are attacking extremist entities within those groups) but I wouldn't penalize them for attacking communists. Let the 2 extremist weaken one another.

So just because you dont like communists, then it is okay to attack them? Seriously? How "communist" do you have to be to get on the list.. or do you have to a member of the Communist party only? Or are any socialist ideas good enough to be attacked?
 

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So just because you dont like communists, then it is okay to attack them? Seriously? How "communist" do you have to be to get on the list.. or do you have to a member of the Communist party only? Or are any socialist ideas good enough to be attacked?
I'm not the one attacking the communists in greece or directing them to be attacked. I don't appreciate that you are directing your comments at me, as if it is my fault. That's kind of a dirty attitude to have, buddy.

I am just saying that we should apply the same treatment to inter-extremist ideologies violence we give to gang-related violence.
As long as 2 gangs kill one another and nobody else is hurt in the process, open and shut case. Their lives are meaningless.
 

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They're attacking communists, who cares. Let the 2 radical groups fight among themselves.

As long as no non-partisan civilians are harmed, it's all good.

your post is as radical as those you criticize

also do you really think no non partisan is harmed in such events ?
 

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your post is as radical as those you criticize

do you really think no non partisan is harmed in such events ?


The article doesn't say that non-partisans were attacked. Just that golden dawn members attacked and injured 9 communists.

If you had read the article you would have known this.
 

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The article doesn't say that non-partisans were attacked. Just that golden dawn members attacked and injured 9 communists.

If you had read the article you would have known this.

l thinl l dont need to read it to understand your point ,rainman.
 

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I'm not the one attacking the communists in greece or directing them to be attacked. I don't appreciate that you are directing your comments at me, as if it is my fault. That's kind of a dirty attitude to have, buddy.

I am just saying that we should apply the same treatment to inter-extremist ideologies violence we give to gang-related violence.
As long as 2 gangs kill one another and nobody else is hurt in the process, open and shut case. Their lives are meaningless.

Yea but 99% of communists are non violent... where as the opposite can be said of right wing extremists.. hence my protests.
 

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Yea but 99% of communists are non violent... where as the opposite can be said of right wing extremists.. hence my protests.

How do you know this thing? This is crazy talk.
 

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How do you know this thing? This is crazy talk.

When was it the last time you heard about communists running amok chanting racist homophobic chants.. or communists hurting people.. hell when was the last "communist" terror attack?

Where as the far right neo nazi morons like Golden Dawn are mired in violence and threats and in some countries direct attacks against people.
 

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When was it the last time you heard about communists running amok chanting racist homophobic chants.. or communists hurting people.. hell when was the last "communist" terror attack?

Where as the far right neo nazi morons like Golden Dawn are mired in violence and threats and in some countries direct attacks against people.

LoL. Just because communists attacks in Greece don't make to the international press in English doesn't mean they don't happen.
And lets say, for the sake of argument, that communists haven't engaged in any violence what so ever, that they're a bunch of hippies, past experiences have shown that once the communists get in power, all hell breaks loose. Everywhere you had communism in power you had mass jailings, killings, censorship, torture and ofc, economic collapse.

Why? because in order to be a communist, or a commie sympathizer, one needs to be lobotomized. If nature hasn't lobotomized one from start, which would explain why one would turn towards communism, one would be lobotomized when entering the communist party.
 

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LoL. Just because communists attacks in Greece don't make to the international press in English doesn't mean they don't happen.
And lets say, for the sake of argument, that communists haven't engaged in any violence what so ever, that they're a bunch of hippies, past experiences have shown that once the communists get in power, all hell breaks loose. Everywhere you had communism in power you had mass jailings, killings, censorship, torture and ofc, economic collapse.

Why? because in order to be a communist, or a commie sympathizer, one needs to be lobotomized. If nature hasn't lobotomized one from start, which would explain why one would turn towards communism, one would be lobotomized when entering the communist party.

And so what? They are still mostly non violent.. but you are advocating violence against them for no other reason you dislike their policies and views..
 

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And so what? They are still mostly non violent.. but you are advocating violence against them for no other reason you dislike their policies and views..

I'm not advocating violence against them. I'm just saying that if another political extremist group (communists are extremists too) does do violence against them it should be treated the same way people treat gang-related violence. That's it.

And since we don't care about gang-related violence, I don't see why we should care about this either.

The circumstances would be different if the party doing the aggression would be the ruling party. Then yes, that would be a headline because it could mount up to political suppression, but since it's just 2 random parties that aren't the ruling parties or in the ruling coalitions, nobody should care. Party-related violence.
 

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I'm not advocating violence against them. I'm just saying that if another political extremist group (communists are extremists too) does do violence against them it should be treated the same way people treat gang-related violence. That's it.

Okay.. but that is not what you said. You said..

They're attacking communists, who cares. Let the 2 radical groups fight among themselves.

As long as no non-partisan civilians are harmed, it's all good.

That is hardly what you claim above.. that is outright.. who cares if 2 radical groups fight among themselves, despite one group being the victim and mostly non violent.. and civilian at that. The communist movement are not radicals any more and have not been since the fall of the USSR. They are sorry ass has beens who think their failed ideology should be given a new chance because all other ideologies have failed just as badly as theirs did... That does not make them radical.

Radicals advocate violence against others.. now there might be fringes among the Communists that advocate this still, but they are in a massive minority now days.. where as the same can not be said of Golden Dawn and similar groupings like Al Q or other radical Islamic and Christian groups.

And since we don't care about gang-related violence, I don't see why we should care about this either.

Of course we care about gang related violence and such violence is hit down hard on as possible.

The circumstances would be different if the party doing the aggression would be the ruling party. Then yes, that would be a headline because it could mount up to political suppression, but since it's just 2 random parties that aren't the ruling parties or in the ruling coalitions, nobody should care. Party-related violence.

Again we are back to square one.. this is Golden Dawn going out of their way to target people who are linked to the Communist party. Golden Dawn want violence, they want confrontation and are targeting in this case communists. Normally they target people of colour and non citizens, but how about if you switch out Communist with Jewish.. would that get you pissed? Or gays? Or Romani?

Who cares what Golden Dawn target.. the key here is they are violent and going out to hurt civilians who are for the most part very peaceful. This is not gang on gang violence by any standard.. Communists dont go around beating up people and killing random people.. Golden Dawn do! They are right wing neo nazi fascist scum of the worst kind, exploiting peoples fears and using violence to push their fanatical views and want to force these views on everyone else and if you dont comply, you die.

There is zero justification for this or supporting Golden Dawn violence just because those that they are going after are not on your Christmas list (and see if you got the joke there!).
 

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Okay.. but that is not what you said. You said..
I'm just saying that if another political extremist group (communists are extremists too) does do violence against them it should be treated the same way people treat gang-related violence. That's it.
Is the same as
They're attacking communists, who cares. Let the 2 radical groups fight among themselves.

As long as no non-partisan civilians are harmed, it's all good.

They're equal. So yes, I've been saying the same things in a different wording. Who cares if 2 extremists kill one another. Not my business. Gang-related violence department.

No we don't care about gang-related violence. This means: violence between gangs. Let them kill one another, as long as no innocents are harmed in the process, it's all good. bag and tag.

If the golden dawn attacks racial minorities or religious minorities that are innocent civilians who are just minding their day to day jobs and livelyhoods, then yes, that's a problem. That's not gang-related violence anymore, it's like a gang attacking innocents. Now if the golden dawn attacks extremist groups of muslims, jews or gypsies then that's fine. And there are islamic extremists in Greece and many ethnic extremists too. There was that report about the blacks from Ethiopia or some country that organized themselves into gangs to fight against greeks in so called "self defense" when in fact it was just racial wars engaged by them. If the golden dawn engages in fights with such people, fine. Gang-related violence.

You may say that communists go about minding their own business, I don't buy that crap. Communists are the low life, scum of the earth and if they and the golden dawn fight one another, it's a win win for everyone else.

Again. I'm not supporting golden dawn violence. I'm just saying, that as long as they are attacking people who are radicals, or other radicals better say, then decent people don't lose. When they do attack people who are not involved with any extremist group or ideology and just mind their own business, then that's crossing a line and the people who do engage in such activies should be prosecuted.
 

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Yea but 99% of communists are non violent... where as the opposite can be said of right wing extremists.. hence my protests.

Communism is inherently anti-democratic and violent.
 

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Communists are worse than Nazi.
 

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Communists are worse than Nazi.

Yes. And KKE members are either complete morons or scum, as far as I am concerned. But they are still people who happen to be victims of a felony, a violent attack. It is rather odd, to cheer actual, realized thugs on, just because their victims' ideology makes them even worse thugs, potentially.

The Nazis and the Commies are potentially thugs because they are collectivists - they think in terms of belonging to one or another group ("races", "classes", etc) and don't care what happens to real, individual people. Well, not being Nazis or Commies, we do, right?
 

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I met a Greek woman in a gathering. They are scared from these fascists. Seriously! I had to offer a place for them to go should they end up war refugees from the internal strife!

Things she mentioned was horrific! The Golden Dawn sends crooks to bully and loot people. The police cannot do anything against them for they are related to Golden Dawn. If one wants the terror to stop they should ask it from Golden Dawn. Golden Dawn secures its votes in such a manner in return.

Everything to counter looting is refuted from these thugs. Alarms are set off, security guards of course do not dare. What struck me worse was when she told me what happens to guard dogs. She said that the thugs put hooks to the guard dogs cheek area and jerk it all night long and torture it to death!

I have dogs.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/lighter-side/152014-dogs-we-have.html

What Golden Dawn thugs do is despicable! Somewhere there Russia is probably implicated!
 

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I met a Greek woman in a gathering. They are scared from these fascists. Seriously! I had to offer a place for them to go should they end up war refugees from the internal strife!

Things she mentioned was horrific! The Golden Dawn sends crooks to bully and loot people. The police cannot do anything against them for they are related to Golden Dawn. If one wants the terror to stop they should ask it from Golden Dawn. Golden Dawn secures its votes in such a manner in return.

Everything to counter looting is refuted from these thugs. Alarms are set off, security guards of course do not dare. What struck me worse was when she told me what happens to guard dogs. She said that the thugs put hooks to the guard dogs cheek area and jerk it all night long and torture it to death!

I have dogs.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/lighter-side/152014-dogs-we-have.html

What Golden Dawn thugs do is despicable! Somewhere there Russia is probably implicated!

it is nevr surprising
 
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