Great, now Boehner is threatening to default

[Vern]

no problem because his ignorant base wont hold him or republicans accountable.


"The nation's credit is at risk because of the administration's refusal to sit down and have a conversation," Boehner told ABC's "This Week," adding that there were not enough votes in the House of Representatives to pass a "clean" debt limit bill, without any conditions attached.

Boehner says U.S. on path to default if Obama won't negotiate

hey John, here's a crazy idea: allow a vote on a 'clean' bill and prove it. Oh yea, I forgot, your base doesn't require proof. chants and slogans do quite nicely for them.

 

[fmw]

It isn't his call. A decision to default would fall on the President.

 

[Vern]

It isn't his call. A decision to default would fall on the President.

thanks for proving my point about the republican base. using whole sentences, would you like to clarify your silly delusion?

 

[fmw]

thanks for proving my point about the republican base. using whole sentences, would you like to clarify your silly delusion?

I used two whole sentences. Where is your confusion?

 

[Vern]

I used two whole sentences. Where is your confusion?

yes, I know you blame President Obama for Boehner refusing to allow a vote on a clean bill. That was clear. Why you blame President Obama was not clear. Could you please explain how its President Obama's fault (of course you knew exactly what I meant but you found it easier to pretend not to understand. A classic con dodge). Oh and try to use actual facts.

 

[CanadaJohn]

no problem because his ignorant base wont hold him or republicans accountable.


"The nation's credit is at risk because of the administration's refusal to sit down and have a conversation," Boehner told ABC's "This Week," adding that there were not enough votes in the House of Representatives to pass a "clean" debt limit bill, without any conditions attached.

Boehner says U.S. on path to default if Obama won't negotiate

hey John, here's a crazy idea: allow a vote on a 'clean' bill and prove it. Oh yea, I forgot, your base doesn't require proof. chants and slogans do quite nicely for them.

Do you give the same advice to Harry Reid on bills passed by the House and sent over to the Senate or do you just shill for the Democrats?

 

[CanadaJohn]

yes, I know you blame President Obama for Boehner refusing to allow a vote on a clean bill. That was clear. Why you blame President Obama was not clear. Could you please explain how its President Obama's fault (of course you knew exactly what I meant but you found it easier to pretend not to understand. A classic con dodge). Oh and try to use actual facts.

Perhaps you don't understand that not increasing the debt ceiling has little or no effect on the federal government's ability to service the debt. They are two entirely separate issues. The US treasury takes in about $250 billion in tax and other revenue each month and debt servicing charges are about $30 billion each month. Obviously, if the "full faith and credit of the US government" is as important as Obama and Democrats like to bleat endlessly, and if they were serious about ensuring that no President could play games with it, the Democrats in the Senate would pass the House bill and the President would sign it - the bill requires the treasury to pay the national debt service charges as the first charge on revenue every month.

Why don't you whine about Obama and the Senate Democrats threatening to default??

 

[Excon]

no problem because his ignorant base wont hold him or republicans accountable.


"The nation's credit is at risk because of the administration's refusal to sit down and have a conversation," Boehner told ABC's "This Week," adding that there were not enough votes in the House of Representatives to pass a "clean" debt limit bill, without any conditions attached.

Boehner says U.S. on path to default if Obama won't negotiate

hey John, here's a crazy idea: allow a vote on a 'clean' bill and prove it. Oh yea, I forgot, your base doesn't require proof. chants and slogans do quite nicely for them.

Well now, maybe the Dems will start compromising.

 

[Vern]

Do you give the same advice to Harry Reid on bills passed by the House and sent over to the Senate or do you just shill for the Democrats?

another sad attempt at an intelligent post from a con. The problem with your post is that enough republicans in the house said they would vote for a clean bill to end the shutdown. Not one democrat in the senate said it would vote on a bill to open the govt and defund Obamacare. And don't forget, Boehner allowed 40 bills to be voted on to end Obamacare so its not like he's afraid to waste time and money on bills that had no chance. But now magically he doesn't want to allow a vote on something he says wont pass. So Boehner is a hypocrite or imbecile, you decide.

 

[sawdust]

yes, I know you blame President Obama for Boehner refusing to allow a vote on a clean bill. That was clear. Why you blame President Obama was not clear. Could you please explain how its President Obama's fault (of course you knew exactly what I meant but you found it easier to pretend not to understand. A classic con dodge). Oh and try to use actual facts.

The bill was not passed with bi partisan support. Why are democrats surprised tha they don't have bi partisan support now? I hope they've learned that they can't cram something down our throats and we will love it.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Well now maybe the Dems will start compromising.

Don't count on it - as long as Democrats and the President have the media and people like Vern shilling for them, they feel it's possible to ride it out. If there's any hope for your country to get some sanity back into spending and governance, you better hope Republicans have thick skin and the ability to withstand.

 

[CanadaJohn]

another sad attempt at an intelligent post from a con. The problem with your post is that enough republicans in the house said they would vote for a clean bill to end the shutdown. Not one democrat in the senate said it would vote on a bill to open the govt and defund Obamacare. And don't forget, Boehner allowed 40 bills to be voted on to end Obamacare so its not like he's afraid to waste time and money on bills that had no chance. But now magically he doesn't want to allow a vote on something he says wont pass. So Boehner is a hypocrite or imbecile, you decide.

Actually, Joe Mancin said just that. In addition, Joe Mancin was savaged by the Democrat leadership in the Senate. You could say that at least House Republicans believe in democracy and a free vote. There are many Senate Democrats who are livid at Harry Reid for not allowing a vote on some of the House bills because it makes them look bad in their states.

If you don't think Senate Democrats will support some of the House bills, why don't you give them the same advice you're giving House Republicans - put the bills to a vote and see who's right? Harry Reid won't because he doesn't want to be embarrassed and he doesn't want the President put in a position of having to veto funding the government.

 

[Vern]

Why don't you whine about Obama and the Senate Democrats threatening to default??

Well now, maybe the Dems will start compromising.

Sorry cons, we already got the silly and factless chant from FMW that it’s the dems fault that Boehner is holding up the spending bill. I was looking for an explanation how its not Boehner’s fault.

The bill was not passed with bi partisan support. Why are democrats surprised tha they don't have bi partisan support now? I hope they've learned that they can't cram something down our throats and we will love it.

Sawdust at least tries to spin it but as you see he’s not very grounded in reality. Mmm, let me dumb down a typical con argument. Saw, the constitution does not require a bi partisan support to pass a bill. It requires a simple majority of each chamber and the president to sign it.( There are other variations but I’m trying to keep it simple for you). And your newfound “bipartisan” requirement is also false. There are republicans who will vote for a clean funding bill.
And could you fill out this questionnaire so I know exactly how delusional your beliefs are
True or false
1 the president was born in Kenya
2 the president tried to kill old people
3 the president encourages old people to commit suicide

 

[Excon]

Harry Reid won't because he doesn't want to be embarrassed and he doesn't want the President put in a position of having to veto funding the government.

I don't envy him one bit. But I do blame him for doing so.

 

[Excon]

Boehner is holding up the spending bill. I was looking for an explanation how its not Boehner’s fault.

Sorry Lib, we already know your claims are silly and false.
It is the Dems holding up passage by being the party of "No". The Republicans are the only ones who have compromised their position, multiple times. The Dems are the ones not budging. It is their fault.

 

[polgara]

Actually, Joe Mancin said just that. In addition, Joe Mancin was savaged by the Democrat leadership in the Senate. You could say that at least House Republicans believe in democracy and a free vote. There are many Senate Democrats who are livid at Harry Reid for not allowing a vote on some of the House bills because it makes them look bad in their states.

If you don't think Senate Democrats will support some of the House bills, why don't you give them the same advice you're giving House Republicans - put the bills to a vote and see who's right? Harry Reid won't because he doesn't want to be embarrassed and he doesn't want the President put in a position of having to veto funding the government.

Good old Harry Reid...loyal partisan to the end, even if it makes him look bad personally, which it does! Of course, he's not up for reelection for a few years either, which helps. By the way, I admire Joe Manchin for his independent thinking, which apparently bugs his leaders to no end!

Greetings, CJ! :2wave:

 

[Jerry]

no problem because his ignorant base wont hold him or republicans accountable.


"The nation's credit is at risk because of the administration's refusal to sit down and have a conversation," Boehner told ABC's "This Week," adding that there were not enough votes in the House of Representatives to pass a "clean" debt limit bill, without any conditions attached.

Boehner says U.S. on path to default if Obama won't negotiate

hey John, here's a crazy idea: allow a vote on a 'clean' bill and prove it. Oh yea, I forgot, your base doesn't require proof. chants and slogans do quite nicely for them.

Bring on the default.

 

[head of joaquin]

It isn't his call. A decision to default would fall on the President.

They WILL default. The GOP Is that batshiiit crazy.

 

[sawdust]

Sorry cons, we already got the silly and factless chant from FMW that it’s the dems fault that Boehner is holding up the spending bill. I was looking for an explanation how its not Boehner’s fault.


Sawdust at least tries to spin it but as you see he’s not very grounded in reality. Mmm, let me dumb down a typical con argument. Saw, the constitution does not require a bi partisan support to pass a bill. It requires a simple majority of each chamber and the president to sign it.( There are other variations but I’m trying to keep it simple for you). And your newfound “bipartisan” requirement is also false. There are republicans who will vote for a clean funding bill.
And could you fill out this questionnaire so I know exactly how delusional your beliefs are
True or false
1 the president was born in Kenya
2 the president tried to kill old people
3 the president encourages old people to commit suicide

Our system of government is full of safeguards which try to insure that the government reflects the will of the people. Among those safeguards is a political system that allows political parties to earn control of various branches of government. Congress always tries to pass legislation with some bi partisan support to avoid situations like this where representatives from nearly half of all voters had no voice in the legislation. Obamacare will eventually fail because it is so poorly written but the voters who were not represented deserve a voice in the process.

Find a teenager to play your question game.

 

[Ray410]

I believe the Democrats are beginning to have a glimpse of losing, of seeing the hardening and empowerment of nationwide opposition to them. Their staple debate techniques of bullying, ridicule and name calling are being subordinated to the forum of an analysis of their programs and ideas, which Democrats try to avoid at all costs.

When Liberal ideas are put to a national referendum, Liberals always lose.

 

[What if...?]

Perhaps you don't understand that not increasing the debt ceiling has little or no effect on the federal government's ability to service the debt. They are two entirely separate issues. The US treasury takes in about $250 billion in tax and other revenue each month and debt servicing charges are about $30 billion each month. Obviously, if the "full faith and credit of the US government" is as important as Obama and Democrats like to bleat endlessly, and if they were serious about ensuring that no President could play games with it, the Democrats in the Senate would pass the House bill and the President would sign it - the bill requires the treasury to pay the national debt service charges as the first charge on revenue every month.

Why don't you whine about Obama and the Senate Democrats threatening to default??

Of course everyone has conveniently forgotten that we got oir credit downgraded the last time this came up, BECAUSE of the republican brinksmanship.

 

[justabubba]

another sad attempt at an intelligent post from a con. The problem with your post is that enough republicans in the house said they would vote for a clean bill to end the shutdown. Not one democrat in the senate said it would vote on a bill to open the govt and defund Obamacare. And don't forget, Boehner allowed 40 bills to be voted on to end Obamacare so its not like he's afraid to waste time and money on bills that had no chance. But now magically he doesn't want to allow a vote on something he says wont pass. So Boehner is a hypocrite or imbecile, you decide.

he's both
and a weeping, dysfunctional alcoholic

 

[head of joaquin]

Our system of government is full of safeguards which try to insure that the government reflects the will of the people. Among those safeguards is a political system that allows political parties to earn control of various branches of government. Congress always tries to pass legislation with some bi partisan support to avoid situations like this where representatives from nearly half of all voters had no voice in the legislation. Obamacare will eventually fail because it is so poorly written but the voters who were not represented deserve a voice in the process.

Find a teenager to play your question game.

Let's test that. The Democrats should insist that any funding agreement in the future involve tax increases on the rich, cutting the military to the bone, and making reducing CEO pay -- all things a majority of Americans want.

Be careful what you ask for!

 

[head of joaquin]

he's both
and a weeping, dysfunctional alcoholic

That is a point not emphasized enough. The man who is threatening to bring down the US economy and turn us into a third world nation, all because he hates Obama, is a raging alcoholic (and tanoholic). The media should publish his bar tabs.

 

[Wiseone]

Bring on the default.

You know how I know you know nothing about economics? That kind of statement right there.