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Graham: "You can use my words against me"

digitusmedius said:
And the result is meaningless.
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In pretty much any scenario. If I vote D, results the same. If I vote R, the results the same. If I vote L, the results the same. Might as well vote for whom I want to then.
 
Ikari said:
So I throw my vote away on a status quo I cannot stand or I throw my vote away on a third party candidate who at least better reflects my personal platform and philosophy and who I think is better for the job than the other two.

Given the choice, the answer is easy.
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Then don't expect anyone to care about your vote because it means absolutely nothing. You might as well throw your ballot away right now for all the good it will do you. As I said, its a two party system and you have to pick one warts and all. If you really want to make a difference, get local offices filled with libertarians first, it has to start locally or it will never go anywhere. Jill Stein was a joke. The last one to really make a difference was Perot and his voters put Clinton in office. They probably did not like that one bit.
 
Vadinho said:
Then don't expect anyone to care about your vote because it means absolutely nothing. You might as well throw your ballot away right now for all the good it will do you. As I said, its a two party system and you have to pick one warts and all. If you really want to make a difference, get local offices filled with libertarians first, it has to start locally or it will never go anywhere. Jill Stein was a joke. The last one to really make a difference was Perot and his voters put Clinton in office. They probably did not like that one bit.
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I vote Libertarian at the local level as well.

The fact of the matter is, it doesn't really matter who we vote for. If I vote Republican, everything stays the same. If I vote Democrat, everything stays the same. If I vote Libertarian, everything stays the same. So none of us are "participating", all of us are "throwing our votes away". You voting for Biden means absolutely nothing. The Republocrats are still going to evolve towards larger and larger, more intrusive, more controlling, more aggressive government. That's not going to change with Joe or Don.

Y'all seem to think you'll somehow change the status quo by supporting the status quo. But the status quo does not like to change, and cannot change through internal forces. It takes an external force to change momentum. Y'all can hide your heads in the sand if you want, certainly enough have bought the con of the faux-dichotomy such that the Republocrats cannot lose. But it doesn't change reality. So throw your vote away on the status quo, for all the good it will do you. It's a one-party system with two faces. If you really want to make a difference, you'd promote political competition.
 
KLATTU said:
Oh hey look, another liberal phony is going to lecture the GOP for doing what any sentient being knows the Dems would do if the roles were reversed!
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Oh look, you are ignoring his own words. Conservatives are all for honor and ethics...until they aren't...
 
beefheart said:
Oh look, you are ignoring his own words. Conservatives are all for honor and ethics...until they aren't...
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Yeah like the Dem Senators have honor and ethics. ( vomit)You must have missed the Kavanaugh hearings
I'm a pragmatist. I know how these people operate. If we started a thread on politician who ignored their own words and flip-flopped, the examples would crsh the internet. Don't pretend otherwise- you will only embarrass yourself
 
digitusmedius said:
And to say there's no difference in them, try telling that to women who'll lost their right to manage their own reproductive decisions .
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Oh no-not the Roe v Wade boogeyman for the 1000000000000000000000th time!!!!
LAFFRIOT.
 
Luckyone said:
In 2016, Lindsey Graham stated regarding voting on a Supreme Court Nominee in the last year of a presidency:



and now, less than 2 months before the election, Lindsey Graham



It is evident there is no honor left in Graham as he is going totally against what he said in 2016 and where he stated "you can use my words against me if I don't do what I stated"

This is exactly the guidelines that Trump has set up in his term:"words mean nothing and you can't trust them, even I or any of my supporters say them".

Is this the kind of guidelines you want to live by?
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Graham is a lying piece of shit. There is no perfuming this pig no matter what side of the aisle you are on. He disgraced himself doing this.
 
poweRob said:
What a pathetic excuse for his hypocrisy. I'm okay with you all constantly bumping Kavanaugh over all this though. Kavanaugh was nominated on October 6, 2018. One month to the day prior to the election. How'd that work out for y'all?
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Try to keep up with the discussion - it isn't the TIMING of Kavanaugh's nomination - it's the fact the Dems befouled themselves with all forms of antics and embarrassing unprofessionalism("I am Spartacus!!).
 
Casper said:
Then you should enjoy it this time around, good to know.
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I am. Dems look more and more like incompetent fools every day.
 
Ikari said:
I vote Libertarian at the local level as well.

The fact of the matter is, it doesn't really matter who we vote for. If I vote Republican, everything stays the same. If I vote Democrat, everything stays the same. If I vote Libertarian, everything stays the same. So none of us are "participating", all of us are "throwing our votes away". You voting for Biden means absolutely nothing. The Republocrats are still going to evolve towards larger and larger, more intrusive, more controlling, more aggressive government. That's not going to change with Joe or Don.

Y'all seem to think you'll somehow change the status quo by supporting the status quo. But the status quo does not like to change, and cannot change through internal forces. It takes an external force to change momentum. Y'all can hide your heads in the sand if you want, certainly enough have bought the con of the faux-dichotomy such that the Republocrats cannot lose. But it doesn't change reality. So throw your vote away on the status quo, for all the good it will do you. It's a one-party system with two faces. If you really want to make a difference, you'd promote political competition.
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Trump is not the "status quo", and in any event, you aren't changing the status quo by voting third party in national elections. You're only ever going to help whomever is ahead in your state. You're only ever going to change the status quo by growing third parties in the states to a point where people start seeing them as a more regular viable option for congress. After they grow there, maybe the presidency. But right now it's really not doing a thing.

And it's not standing on principle to do it if it means inflicting another four years of a guy who consciously downplayed the virus in a hare-brained bid to keep economic numbers up, and consciously killed a mass testing plan because he callously calculated that it was ravaging blue states so he could just let people die then score points by blaming blue governors. That is nothing like what any other of your so-called "Republicrats" have done.

No matter what people have told you in the past, whomever they were, this really isn't like other elections.

You also cannot tell me that they are exactly the same. You can only say that if you ignore major policy differences, like the Democrats passing the ACA and trying to get us universal basic healthcare vs. the republicans trying to get rid of the ACA and otherwise sit on their hands. You may not like either party and there may be some shared elements between them, but they aren't the same.


Also, consider: usually, standing on principle means that one suffers for having stood up for what they believe in. Is it really standing on principle if everyone else suffers for what one stands up for?
 
Bullseye said:
Try to keep up with the discussion - it isn't the TIMING of Kavanaugh's nomination - it's the fact the Dems befouled themselves with all forms of antics and embarrassing unprofessionalism("I am Spartacus!!).
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That's it. Keep toutihng what a victim Kavanaugh was. Worked out well for you guys in 2018.
 
Mr Person said:
Trump is not the "status quo", and in any event, you aren't changing the status quo by voting third party in national elections. You're only ever going to help whomever is ahead in your state. You're only ever going to change the status quo by growing third parties in the states to a point where people start seeing them as a more regular viable option for congress. After they grow there, maybe the presidency. But right now it's really not doing a thing.

And it's not standing on principle to do it if it means inflicting another four years of a guy who consciously downplayed the virus in a hare-brained bid to keep economic numbers up, and consciously killed a mass testing plan because he callously calculated that it was ravaging blue states so he could just let people die then score points by blaming blue governors. That is nothing like what any other of your so-called "Republicrats" have done.

No matter what people have told you in the past, whomever they were, this really isn't like other elections.

You also cannot tell me that they are exactly the same. You can only say that if you ignore major policy differences, like the Democrats passing the ACA and trying to get us universal basic healthcare vs. the republicans trying to get rid of the ACA and otherwise sit on their hands. You may not like either party and there may be some shared elements between them, but they aren't the same.


Also, consider: usually, standing on principle means that one suffers for having stood up for what they believe in. Is it really standing on principle if everyone else suffers for what one stands up for?
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Trump is the status quo without brakes or filter. And I won't be the one "inflicting" with Trump for 4 more years, I am not voting for Trump, nor do I support him. Furthermore, Colorado will likely go for Biden. I'm free to vote for whomever I want, and I want to vote for the person I think is the best candidate out of the group. That eliminates both Biden and Trump.
 
KLATTU said:
Oy vey...

when the NY times says you're a liberal partisan, I think that says it all

hen President Bill Clinton put Justice Ginsburg on the Supreme Court in 1993, some liberals feared she would turn out be a moderate. She had, for instance, voiced doubts about the court’s reasoning in Roe v. Wade, saying it had moved too fast in establishing a nationwide right to abortion.

The fears were misplaced. Over her 27 years on the court, she emerged as a champion of progressive causes. By the time her death ended her tenure on Friday, she was the leader of its liberal wing. She assumed that role in 2010, after the departure of Justice John Paul Stevens, and she seemed to enjoy it. “I am now the most senior justice when we divide 5-4 with the usual suspects,” she said in the 2013 interview.


Lee Epstein, a law professor and political scientist at Washington University in St. Louis, said Justice Ginsburg “cast more liberal votes than any other justice in the court’s weightiest cases.”

“Ginsburg’s liberalism extended to all areas of the law: civil rights, of course, but also criminal procedure, civil liberties and even economic disputes,” Professor Epstein said. “She was the least likely member of the current court to favor business over governments, unions, shareholders and employees.”

www.nytimes.com

Justice Ginsburg’s Judicial Legacy of Striking Dissents (Published 2020)

She was part of the Supreme Court’s 4-member liberal wing throughout her 27-year tenure and led it in her last decade.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Oh yes, I forgot you Republicans want us to return to the old times

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You guys call liberals any person that wants progress and growth. I can understand that given that your interest is in controlling the minorities and you can only do that with force and given your hate and disapproval of science, you want to return to the strong ruling with clubs and stones.
 
Ikari said:
In pretty much any scenario. If I vote D, results the same. If I vote R, the results the same. If I vote L, the results the same. Might as well vote for whom I want to then.
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Not all leftists vote Democratic. All rightists vote Republican. Shit will continue to happen.

The last TEN two-year terms back to 2000 have given us permanent minority rule, a Gop political AAA — Apartheid, Apocalypse, and Armageddon.

The best I can say now is that we minority of the white boomers warned the younger generations, and they didn’t listen.
 
KLATTU said:
Yeah like the Dem Senators have honor and ethics. ( vomit)You must have missed the Kavanaugh hearings
I'm a pragmatist. I know how these people operate. If we started a thread on politician who ignored their own words and flip-flopped, the examples would crsh the internet. Don't pretend otherwise- you will only embarrass yourself
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You seem to be running away from the truth.
 
Ikari said:
Trump is the status quo without brakes or filter. And I won't be the one "inflicting" with Trump for 4 more years, I am not voting for Trump, nor do I support him. Furthermore, Colorado will likely go for Biden. I'm free to vote for whomever I want, and I want to vote for the person I think is the best candidate out of the group. That eliminates both Biden and Trump.
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And if you were in Michigan? Your philosophy for voting is equivalent to what the GOP has done with Trump’s 5-year Presidency on USSC Justices.
 
Bullseye said:
I am. Dems look more and more like incompetent fools every day.
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Are you saying trump is rubbing off on them? No, I disagree, no one can be that incompetent, though McConnell does try to please his master. The only Fools are those that don't have the intelligence to know that they worship a False God.
 
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