galenrox said:Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the main flaw with the pharises that they were too connected with the old ways because through the old ways they had power? From what I've read in the bible, it seemed that their flaws stemmed from their fear of change, and their hypocricy came from them believing that whatever they do is right, and any dissidence was wrong. Reminds me personally of certain people in the religious right.
A very true statement that. There are so many poltical agendas out there that politics can not really be called the deciding factor in anything out there. In fact I would say thru the religious right's agendas politics is slowing the demise of religion.SHodges said:Religion's death is in knowledge, not any political agenda.
SHodges said:Religion's death is in knowledge, not any political agenda.
dogger807 said:A very true statement ...
SHodges said:The "truth" is that religion is a way for people to seize power over others, for people to get a sense of superiority over others, a way to keep the underclasses hopeful and productive in their factories (or on their fields, when it was originally conceived), a sham basically.
SHodges said:Any other "truth" you are calling is nothing more than yet another in a long line of falsehoods.
SHodges said:The "truth" is that religion is a way for people to seize power over others, for people to get a sense of superiority over others, a way to keep the underclasses hopeful and productive in their factories (or on their fields, when it was originally conceived), a sham basically. Any other "truth" you are calling is nothing more than yet another in a long line of falsehoods.
Red_Dave said:Anyone who holds the view the religeon is an instrument of opression is in need of a history lesson. Martin luther king Malcom X Nelson Mandela and Desmond tutu where all Religous ...
leejosepho said:Yes, maybe so, but that does not mean they used religion to so whatever seeming good they did.
In the end, sectarian religion is found to be an abomination.
Red_Dave said:If i remember rightly alot of the civil rights marches where organised through the black churches ...
So all in all i think religoen played a major role in a the movement.
"I have said, both in writing and from the platform many times, that the impetus which drove me first into the Labour movement, and the inspiration which has carried me on in it, has been derived more from the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth than from all other sources combined."
Were you to achieve a position of power within it, yes, you would have a measure of power and influence over those who practice Buddhism. However, Buddhism is an irrelevant religion on the world stage as was not being referenced in my original post. Scientology has more influence than Buddhism.nkgupta80 said:buddhism would give me power over others?...
Or humanity itself is waking up, but I won't argue the reasons with you, provided you marginally agree with the view that it is leaving, and unnecessary.leejosepho said:On that particular matter, yes, that is truth. Hence, it is YHWH, Himself, who is now seeing to it that all sectarian religion is destroyed.
Nothing that would convince anyone. Would you have me make a long list of the atrocities religion has caused, the wars, the oppression, how it's been used as a power base for ambitious individuals? Would you have me list "bible continuity errors"? These things are things that all people on the internet have seen at one time or another, and those who practice religion are not very likely to listen if they did not listen the first time. Though I assure you, whatever proof you may have is equally inconsequential. The good and selfless deeds of the very few in religion will never outweigh the wicked and selfish deeds of the very many in that same religion.Such as with your first statement, and with intellectual honesty in mind here, do you have any supporting evidence for others to consider along that line of thinking?
Personally, I have plenty to the contrary.
Anyone who holds the view the religeon is an instrument of opression is in need of a history lesson. Martin luther king Malcom X Nelson Mandela and Desmond tutu where all Religous. Much of the anti-slavery campain on either side of the pond was led by evangelicals and quakers. Brittans first trade union was partly founded by a methodist minister and the policys of its first socialist party where said to have taken "More from Methodisom than from Marx". Ironcially christiality actually started with the underclass and the upper-classes [the romans] tryed to stamp it out. If anyone seriously belives christiality and equal rights and incompatable i would like to know which bible they are useing
leejosepho said:... it is YHWH, Himself, who is now seeing to it that all sectarian religion is destroyed.
SHodges said:Or humanity itself is waking up, but I won't argue the reasons with you, provided you marginally agree with the view that it is leaving, and unnecessary.
Do you have any supporting evidence that [my] “Knowledge of truth, I say, is knowledge of YHWH” [statement] is “nothing more than yet another in a long line of falsehoods?"
SHodges said:Nothing that would convince anyone. Would you have me make a long list of the atrocities religion has caused, the wars, the oppression, how it's been used as a power base for ambitious individuals?
SHodges said:Though I assure you, whatever proof you may have is equally inconsequential ...
SHodges said:The bible slanders women, other races, heaps praise on slavery and abuse, among other things. The bible is holy if you are one of the few who would benefit from the treatment of people contained within, and nothing more than a “how to” book for hate groups if you are not.
SHodges said:By reading the book cover to cover ...
SHodges said:Were you to achieve a position of power within it, yes, you would have a measure of power and influence over those who practice Buddhism. However, Buddhism is an irrelevant religion on the world stage as was not being referenced in my original post. Scientology has more influence than Buddhism.
dogger807 said:this statement is untrue. Scientoligist are mearly more vocal. Buddism has more followers 375 million vs the 500 thousand of scientology.
leejosepho said:I do understand what you are saying, and I do not mean to find fault with anyone's perception. Rather, I believe this quotation makes my point:
... including, I assume, sectarian religion. I know nothing about that "Labour Movement", but it certainly appears to be about "rightness" rather than "religion".
For example, I sit here trying to bear witness of YHWH while decrying *all* sectarian religion, and I do not do that for the sake of *any* mere religion.
SHodges said:I’m afraid those that would defend religion are the ones in sore need of a history lesson, not I. A few good people (And Malcom X wasn’t one of them) being “religious”, all to different degrees, and all of these “degrees” changing in public, that changes nothing. I could list 100 times more “good” people that were non-religious, your point is nonexistent. As for the equal rights thing, I believe they are using the “King James” bible. The bible slanders women, other races, heaps praise on slavery and abuse, among other things. The bible is holy if you are one of the few who would benefit from the treatment of people contained within, and nothing more than a “how to” book for hate groups if you are not.