Government-spending directly means taxation

[danielpalos]

Why not solve simple poverty and raise the minimum wage to raise more tax revenue?

 

[Lafayette]

If I start and grow a company that employs thousands and my worldwide companies make ten billion a year in GROSS profit, and after expenses, I am left with 500 million do I give that to the government or do I expand my business?

No, if tax-rates are correctly employed beyond a certain point (of income) they become confiscatory of the additional income.

That will stop the extremely rich from even thinking of reporting multi-megabuck incomes because beyond a given legal-limit the funds will be confiscated ...

 

[ttwtt78640]

Why not solve simple poverty and raise the minimum wage to raise more tax revenue?

California did just that, yet you still won’t get a job.

 

[danielpalos]

General taxation instead of direct taxation!

 

[danielpalos]

California did just that, yet you still won’t get a job.

If California faithfully executes equal protection of the at-will employment laws for unemployment compensation, it would not matter because I would still be circulating capital and paying general taxes.

Only right-wingers prefer the immorality and unethicalness of unequal protection of the laws under our form of Capitalism merely so the Rich can get richer.

 

[Lafayette]

California did just that, yet you still won’t get a job.

There is no way to predict work outcomes if tax-rates are raised. Typically lower tax-rates mean more-in-the-pocket so they enhance consumption.

But that is no reason to allow multi-millionaires to contribute exorbitant amounts of money to get "their people" elected. Worse yet, it is debilitating to think that money spent of TV-commercials to support the election of a politician should work so well. The people watching the commercials must be kinda-sorta stoopid to so easily influenced.

Let's say the maximum tax-rate is 95% of all sums beyond a megabuck a year. Then any income up to that limit is confiscated by the tax-authorities - unless one is hiding the money "offshore". In which case that person will be questioned and jailed until they recuperate the funds into their American accounts. (And thus pay their taxes!)

There are a great many ways of lying to tax authorities and almost all of them don't work. Which is why BigBucks like to give money to Replicant reelections. Because they know the Replicants will do nothing to enhance existing tax rates ... for as long as their "buddies" contribute to their reelections!

So, they try to elect party-majorities that allow them to protect low tax-rates on multi-million dollar incomes ...

 

[Paradoxical]

California did just that, yet you still won’t get a job.

It never works because when you raise the wage for no skills workers, the ones who were there for several months will look at that and demand an increase, and their supervisors will, etc. Then, the minimum wage that used to be $9.00 and hour becomes $13.00 an hour and everyone's wages in that company MUST increase accordingly which then raises the prices to the consumers.

Pick a number as a minimum wage. If you say it should be $25.00 an hour, what happens to the wages of the rest in that company? What happens to the prices of goods and services afterward? This is what Democrats want. Increased prices so they can pay off the debt with cheap money.

 

[danielpalos]

There is no way to predict work outcomes if tax-rates are raised. Typically lower tax-rates mean more-in-the-pocket so they enhance consumption.

But that is no reason to allow multi-millionaires to contribute exorbitant amounts of money to get "their people" elected. Worse yet, it is debilitating to think that money spent of TV-commercials to support the election of a politician should work so well. The people watching the commercials must be kinda-sorta stoopid to so easily influenced.

Let's say the maximum tax-rate is 95% of all sums beyond a megabuck a year. Then any income up to that limit is confiscated by the tax-authorities - unless one is hiding the money "offshore". In which case that person will be questioned and jailed until they recuperate the funds into their American accounts. (And thus pay their taxes!)

There are a great many ways of lying to tax authorities and almost all of them don't work. Which is why BigBucks like to give money to Replicant reelections. Because they know the Replicants will do nothing to enhance existing tax rates ... for as long as their "buddies" contribute to their reelections!

So, they try to elect party-majorities that allow them to protect low tax-rates on multi-million dollar incomes ...

If we solve simple poverty and achieve full employment of capital resources in the labor sector, what would be the optimum minimum wage rate and optimum taxation rate for revenue generation with only general taxation?

 

[ttwtt78640]

If California faithfully executes equal protection of the at-will employment laws for unemployment compensation, it would not matter because I would still be circulating capital and paying general taxes.

Only right-wingers prefer the immorality and unethicalness of unequal protection of the laws under our form of Capitalism merely so the Rich can get richer.

Yep, you endlessly plead for California to pay you for simply electing not to work. That is not going to happen.

 

[danielpalos]

Yep, you endlessly plead for California to pay you for simply electing not to work. That is not going to happen.

Yet, you have absolutely no problem being "illegal" to the equal protection clause and a total hypocrite about "illegals" in border threads.

 

[Lafayette]

WAR IS HELL

Pick a number as a minimum wage. If you say it should be $25.00 an hour, what happens to the wages of the rest in that company? What happens to the prices of goods and services afterward? This is what Democrats want. Increased prices so they can pay off the debt with cheap money.

The "decent minimum wage" is one that allows individuals to work and support a family. But, that is not how we establish the minimum-wage today. In fact, at $7.25, the federal minimum wage hasn't kept up with the cost of living in more than half a century.

We should allow the minimum-wage to be set a decent wage for both individuals and families. And it should be changed every so often to handle price-inflation. But, that is tricky. Raising wages to offset price-inflation simply causes the cost-of-production (and the price of goods/services) to rise in accordance.

There must be a Minimum Wage, yes. But we must also find a way to make sure most families can earn more than the MW. Which means what?

We need smarter-people who work in smarter-jobs and earn better incomes. I frankly think America has to look at the ways it is educating our youth. I suspect it is not adequate for an unfortunately large proportion of our kids. And so?

And so this: We are incarcerating graduating high-schoolers (that do not pursue a post-secondary degree) in comparative poverty. For their entire lives - because damn few enter skills-education programs that would allow them higher-paying jobs in industry. Such jobs exist in a great number of industries and one does not need a post-secondary diploma to obtain them.

So, a post-secondary "training" in specific work-specialities can give people the credentials with which they can find decent employment.

But, as I never tire of saying: We cannot have such "work specialties training" if state and Federal governments do not support financially their existence. And, if not, what do young-people do nowadays?

They go into a military-service to "work" and that "work" supposedly prepares them to obtain a decent-job. That's fine for some skills-training. Unfortunately, however, there are 7000 "Yank soldiers" who lost their lives in Afghanistan and 4400 in Iraq.

Is that what you would want for your kids ... ?

 

[danielpalos]

Who disagrees that general taxation should be preferred to direct taxation whenever possible?

 

[Paradoxical]

WAR IS HELL



The "decent minimum wage" is one that allows individuals to work and support a family. But, that is not how we establish the minimum-wage today. In fact, at $7.25, the federal minimum wage hasn't kept up with the cost of living in more than half a century.

We should allow the minimum-wage to be set a decent wage for both individuals and families. And it should be changed every so often to handle price-inflation. But, that is tricky. Raising wages to offset price-inflation simply causes the cost-of-production (and the price of goods/services) to rise in accordance.

There must be a Minimum Wage, yes. But we must also find a way to make sure most families can earn more than the MW. Which means what?

We need smarter-people who work in smarter-jobs and earn better incomes. I frankly think America has to look at the ways it is educating our youth. I suspect it is not adequate for an unfortunately large proportion of our kids. And so?

And so this: We are incarcerating graduating high-schoolers (that do not pursue a post-secondary degree) in comparative poverty. For their entire lives - because damn few enter skills-education programs that would allow them higher-paying jobs in industry. Such jobs exist in a great number of industries and one does not need a post-secondary diploma to obtain them.

So, a post-secondary "training" in specific work-specialities can give people the credentials with which they can find decent employment.

But, as I never tire of saying: We cannot have such "work specialties training" if state and Federal governments do not support financially their existence. And, if not, what do young-people do nowadays?

They go into a military-service to "work" and that "work" supposedly prepares them to obtain a decent-job. That's fine for some skills-training. Unfortunately, however, there are 7000 "Yank soldiers" who lost their lives in Afghanistan and 4400 in Iraq.

Is that what you would want for your kids ... ?

How is that decades ago the schools gave drivers education and one didn't have to take and pay for that separately? How is it that they were able to provide music, metal shop, auto mechanics, woodshop, ceramics all at the cost of what the people paid in taxes and the kids also learned the basics....reading, writing and arithmetic? The teacher's salaries and administration have all ballooned out of proportion with some teachers making $90,000. for 9 months of work and administrators pulling in 200K or more. What happened to society when some now clamor that math be dumbed down because blacks can';t understand it?

We have a societal problem today where we do not MAKE kids learn and have bloated administrations who coddle the kids and put up with bad behavior because it is discriminatory to minorities to punish them because more minorities misbehave. Society has given in to the few...,the minorities, and tailored education to and for them, dumbing down the majority. We have taught them they should have a good job by just skating by and they deserve some wage that supports a family even though they can't add, spell or have basic logic. Who will hire them? We aren't teaching them any skills that pay, such as plumbing, electrical, mechanics, metalworking. Society isn't teaching them anything for that matter because teachers are no longer the boss and unruly kids aren't allowed to be punished.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Yet, you have absolutely no problem being "illegal" to the equal protection clause and a total hypocrite about "illegals" in border threads.

Foreign nationals shouldn’t be paid not to work either.

 

[bave]

Why not solve simple poverty and raise the minimum wage to raise more tax revenue?

I have previously explained, with data, why this won't work. The minimum wage has almost nothing to do with tax revenue. You don't start paying FIT until you make ~$28-30/hr as a minimum in the average US household.

If California faithfully executes equal protection of the at-will employment laws for unemployment compensation, it would not matter because I would still be circulating capital and paying general taxes.

Only right-wingers prefer the immorality and unethicalness of unequal protection of the laws under our form of Capitalism merely so the Rich can get richer.

Yea yea, we have heard this broken record before from you. We get it, you want the goverment to pay you to stay home. I am not sure how you concluded that you are not received equal protection under the law by not being paid to sit home. You can do whatever you want. If you don't want to work, don't, just don't ask me to feed you.

 

[Lafayette]

We have a societal problem today where we do not MAKE kids learn and have bloated administrations who coddle the kids and put up with bad behavior because it is discriminatory to minorities to punish them because more minorities misbehave. Society has given in to the few...,the minorities, and tailored education to and for them, dumbing down the majority. We have taught them they should have a good job by just skating by and they deserve some wage that supports a family even though they can't add, spell or have basic logic. Who will hire them? We aren't teaching them any skills that pay, such as plumbing, electrical, mechanics, metalworking. Society isn't teaching them anything for that matter because teachers are no longer the boss and unruly kids aren't allowed to be punished.

When I read the above I'm glad I live in France.

Somewhere along his way Uncle Sam lost his compass ... !

 

[danielpalos]

Foreign nationals shouldn’t be paid not to work either.

Are you for unequal protection of the laws?

 

[danielpalos]

I have previously explained, with data, why this won't work. The minimum wage has almost nothing to do with tax revenue. You don't start paying FIT until you make ~$28-30/hr as a minimum in the average US household.




Yea yea, we have heard this broken record before from you. We get it, you want the goverment to pay you to stay home. I am not sure how you concluded that you are not received equal protection under the law by not being paid to sit home. You can do whatever you want. If you don't want to work, don't, just don't ask me to feed you.

Are you implying the minimum wage needs to be around thirty dollars an hour? Or, would revenue be more cost effectively generated via general taxation from more persons circulating capital?

Just admit you are a hypocrite about being legal to the equal protection laws and should be considered an immoral hypocrite in border threads. Your "broken record" is less ethical and less moral.

Job 34:30 That the hypocrite reign not, lest the people be ensnared.

 

[Paradoxical]

When I read the above I'm glad I live in France.

Somewhere along his way Uncle Sam lost his compass ... !

You are right and we are in deep crap because we have lost our moral compass here. religion has waned and people aren't taught morals, hard work, study, personal responsibility. Instead, they are taught their failings are due to whitey or the government.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Are you for unequal protection of the laws?

Yes, I am for treating legal immigrants differently than illegal immigrants. The nonsense of calling those who seek better economic opportunity (or less crime) refugees and/or asylum seekers must end.

 

[bave]

Are you implying the minimum wage needs to be around thirty dollars an hour? Or, would revenue be more cost effectively generated via general taxation from more persons circulating capital?

No. I am saying in order for the minimum wage to be even *remotely relevant* to tax revenue it would need to pass ~$30hr as a ballpark figure. That's not going to happen in any world. So your entire argument that raising the minimum wage would have a positive impact on federal income tax revenue is absurd.

Just admit you are a hypocrite about being legal to the equal protection laws and should be considered an immoral hypocrite in border threads. Your "broken record" is less ethical and less moral.

Lol, wut?

I have no idea what you are even trying to say here. No one is forcing you to work, nor should the government support your unwillingness to work. Your whole schtick around here is trying to justify UBI so you can sit in your parents basement smoking weed between your shifts as an UberEats driver.

 

[Lafayette]

Are you for unequal protection of the laws?

I am for equal-protection (regardless of race or sex) under national and state laws ...

 

[danielpalos]

Yes, I am for treating legal immigrants differently than illegal immigrants. The nonsense of calling those who seek better economic opportunity (or less crime) refugees and/or asylum seekers must end.

We should have no illegal problem or illegal underclass. Do you have a market friendly solution or nothing but bigotry and fascism? Remember, right-wingers allege to be for Capitalism in socialism threads.

 

[danielpalos]

No. I am saying in order for the minimum wage to be even *remotely relevant* to tax revenue it would need to pass ~$30hr as a ballpark figure. That's not going to happen in any world. So your entire argument that raising the minimum wage would have a positive impact on federal income tax revenue is absurd.



Lol, wut?

I have no idea what you are even trying to say here. No one is forcing you to work, nor should the government support your unwillingness to work. Your whole schtick around here is trying to justify UBI so you can sit in your parents basement smoking weed between your shifts as an UberEats driver.

Have you heard of Gravity Payments? Socialism seems to be able to do where capitalism can only "talk".

 

[danielpalos]

I am for equal-protection (regardless of race or sex) under national and state laws ...

We have an illegal problem and an illegal underclass due only to right-wing bigotry and fascism. They only allege to believe in Capitalism when being hypocrites in socialism threads.