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GOP, past or present, could you vote for a D in 2020?

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For president that is. Some, if not most of you, have likely voted for a Democrat for another office before. But what about president?

I have never voted for a Democrat with one exception: a local office (not even state level) because I went to HS with him and thought he was cool enough. That was years ago.

I left the party in 2012. But I will still vote for any candidate I can feel OK about. I haven't felt that since 2008 (and it was iffy then).

If you could vote for a Democrat in 2020, who might it be?

Thus far, of any names bandied about, I could vote for Amy Klobuchar. But I haven't really researched her, so that could change. I can't think of any other on the lists I've seen that I could vote for.

I want Trump gone, but I will abstain from voting for anyone if there is not a choice I think is good enough. I did so in 2016. Was going to vote for Gary Johnson, but I think being president of a marijuana company after 2012 damaged his brain.

So Republican, ex-R, or otherwise aligned, could you do it? And who?
 

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For president that is. Some, if not most of you, have likely voted for a Democrat for another office before. But what about president?

I have never voted for a Democrat with one exception: a local office (not even state level) because I went to HS with him and thought he was cool enough. That was years ago.

I left the party in 2012. But I will still vote for any candidate I can feel OK about. I haven't felt that since 2008 (and it was iffy then).

If you could vote for a Democrat in 2020, who might it be?

Thus far, of any names bandied about, I could vote for Amy Klobuchar. But I haven't really researched her, so that could change. I can't think of any other on the lists I've seen that I could vote for.

I want Trump gone, but I will abstain from voting for anyone if there is not a choice I think is good enough. I did so in 2016. Was going to vote for Gary Johnson, but I think being president of a marijuana company after 2012 damaged his brain.

So Republican, ex-R, or otherwise aligned, could you do it? And who?

How about independent voters? Do we have a say in this?
 

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How about independent voters? Do we have a say in this?

Sure, this is a free forum. What are your leanings? Have you voted D in the past for president?
 

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Well George HW Bush and his wife voted for Hillary in 2016 and dubya and laura voted for neither of them.

So it is possible for some republicans NOT to vote for trump again in 2020.

But we all know the rusted on republicans will vote for trump - even if he is charged with treason and thrown in jail.
 

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Right now, today, I would consider Beto O’Rourke. A centrist, smart, experienced, and a proven strong campaigner.
 

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i will vote against Trump. i hope that the Democrats produce someone that i can vote for.
 

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For president that is. Some, if not most of you, have likely voted for a Democrat for another office before. But what about president?

I have never voted for a Democrat with one exception: a local office (not even state level) because I went to HS with him and thought he was cool enough. That was years ago.

I left the party in 2012. But I will still vote for any candidate I can feel OK about. I haven't felt that since 2008 (and it was iffy then).

If you could vote for a Democrat in 2020, who might it be?

Thus far, of any names bandied about, I could vote for Amy Klobuchar. But I haven't really researched her, so that could change. I can't think of any other on the lists I've seen that I could vote for.

I want Trump gone, but I will abstain from voting for anyone if there is not a choice I think is good enough. I did so in 2016. Was going to vote for Gary Johnson, but I think being president of a marijuana company after 2012 damaged his brain.

So Republican, ex-R, or otherwise aligned, could you do it? And who?

Well, I do not know if I could ever truly bring myself to vote for a Democrat for public office with the present state and ideological platform of the Democratic Party. I am rather ill-disposed towards the Democratic Party, as our Democratic Party in California has lost its marbles and has become utterly unhinged when it comes to blowing out public spending and regulating practically every act of private intercourse whether it comes to mandating homes be built with solar panels and criminalizing drinking straws in various cities, and it has become increasingly hostile towards America's foundational values of free speech, toleration of disagreeing viewpoints, and individual gun ownership rights. That is not even touching upon the Democratic party's present dalliance with socialism and rather creepy anti-white racial politics. So would I vote for a Democratic Presidential candidate over Trump? Sure, if the Democrats nominated a relatively-conservative Democrat like Richard Ojeda (not bloody likely). Other than that? No. If the person they nominate is terrible enough, I will cast my vote for Donald Trump. If they are just a boilerplate leftist Democrat, I will abstain from voting for the President entirely (not that it really matters in California since we are a single-party state).
 
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For president that is. Some, if not most of you, have likely voted for a Democrat for another office before. But what about president?

I have never voted for a Democrat with one exception: a local office (not even state level) because I went to HS with him and thought he was cool enough. That was years ago.

I left the party in 2012. But I will still vote for any candidate I can feel OK about. I haven't felt that since 2008 (and it was iffy then).

If you could vote for a Democrat in 2020, who might it be?

Thus far, of any names bandied about, I could vote for Amy Klobuchar. But I haven't really researched her, so that could change. I can't think of any other on the lists I've seen that I could vote for.

I want Trump gone, but I will abstain from voting for anyone if there is not a choice I think is good enough. I did so in 2016. Was going to vote for Gary Johnson, but I think being president of a marijuana company after 2012 damaged his brain.

So Republican, ex-R, or otherwise aligned, could you do it? And who?

I don't vote based on a letter next to their name. I vote based on the issues. So I will vote for whoever wants to handle the most issues that I agree with.
 

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Well George HW Bush and his wife voted for Hillary in 2016 and dubya and laura voted for neither of them.

So it is possible for some republicans NOT to vote for trump again in 2020.

But we all know the rusted on republicans will vote for trump - even if he is charged with treason and thrown in jail.

The "rusted on" Republicans (good phrase btw) will vote for the Republican candidate even if that party is running a Mephistopheles/ Beelzebub ticket. Same with the rusted on Democrats. I just hope one party or the other nominates at least a barely acceptable candidate (not Trump!). If not, I'll once again be voting third party, i.e., against both of them.
Not that it matters. When you live in California, your vote for president doesn't matter. The Democrat is going to win the state.

There are a lot of rusted on Democrats here.
 

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For president that is. Some, if not most of you, have likely voted for a Democrat for another office before. But what about president?

I have never voted for a Democrat with one exception: a local office (not even state level) because I went to HS with him and thought he was cool enough. That was years ago.

I left the party in 2012. But I will still vote for any candidate I can feel OK about. I haven't felt that since 2008 (and it was iffy then).

If you could vote for a Democrat in 2020, who might it be?

Thus far, of any names bandied about, I could vote for Amy Klobuchar. But I haven't really researched her, so that could change. I can't think of any other on the lists I've seen that I could vote for.

I want Trump gone, but I will abstain from voting for anyone if there is not a choice I think is good enough. I did so in 2016. Was going to vote for Gary Johnson, but I think being president of a marijuana company after 2012 damaged his brain.

So Republican, ex-R, or otherwise aligned, could you do it? And who?

As an independent I have voted for both GOPers and Dems for president, although the last GOPer I voted for president was George Bush senior. I vote for both in local offices but not in state offices, as in Wisco the GOP has turned into a bunch of fascists as can be seen by their latest moves.
 

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i will vote against Trump. i hope that the Democrats produce someone that i can vote for.

Same same, me. Without a doubt I will vote against Trump. It would be easier if the Democratic Party gets its **** in one pocket and produces an organized message, an honest and realistic platform and a candidate worthy of the monumental task of cleaning up the Trump mess and re-uniting Americans.

I left the GOP years ago and have voted as a non-partisan ever since. There is no way in hell that I can see myself ever returning to the GOP. But then the GOP is no longer the GOP. I see no need to become a Democrat either but in the midterms I voted straight Democrat.

Frankly I'd prefer neither party. Of the two the GOP seems furtherest from democracy.
 

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When I vote for POTUS the top 9 out of 10 most important factors for me are all how I think he/she will act in their role of Commander-in-Chief because that is the one role the President has with virtually no checks or balances. For everything else we have a Congress and Judiciary to keep things from going too far off the rails.

So it might sound odd, but in this last presidential election, all all primary candidates, my first choice would have been Bernie and my second choice would have been Rand Paul.

I have always opted to vote for a third party candidate instead of playing the lesser of two evils game. I did that in the 2016 election as well. But after experiencing a term of Trump I might have to swallow my pride and just vote for the Democrat in 2020, regardless of who it is.
 

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Same same, me. Without a doubt I will vote against Trump. It would be easier if the Democratic Party gets its **** in one pocket and produces an organized message, an honest and realistic platform and a candidate worthy of the monumental task of cleaning up the Trump mess and re-uniting Americans.

I left the GOP years ago and have voted as a non-partisan ever since. There is no way in hell that I can see myself ever returning to the GOP. But then the GOP is no longer the GOP. I see no need to become a Democrat either but in the midterms I voted straight Democrat.

Frankly I'd prefer neither party. Of the two the GOP seems furtherest from democracy.

i agree.
 

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...There are a lot of rusted on Democrats here.

One party prides itself on upholding traditions and the status quo, the other is not only willing to accept change, they often promote it. The Democrats are much more diversified, not only in their demographics but in their political philosophies. Everyone's heard of moderate and conservative Dems, but who's ever heard of liberal Republicans?

So while 'rusted on' is great description of the majority of conservatives, maybe 'tarnished on' would be a more accurate description of the minority of liberals who're set in their ways...
 

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One party prides itself on upholding traditions and the status quo, the other is not only willing to accept change, they often promote it. The Democrats are much more diversified, not only in their demographics but in their political philosophies. Everyone's heard of moderate and conservative Dems, but who's ever heard of liberal Republicans?

So while 'rusted on' is great description of the majority of conservatives, maybe 'tarnished on' would be a more accurate description of the minority of liberals who're set in their ways...

And yet, the party that "prides itself on upholding traditions and the status quo" elected Donald Trump president. Not much traditional or status quo about his presidency.
 

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And yet, the party that "prides itself on upholding traditions and the status quo" elected Donald Trump president. Not much traditional or status quo about his presidency.

Really? Giving a huge tax cut for the rich, tariffs, conservative judges, xenophobes gone wild. Seems the same crap as always.

Maybe you're confusing being a dickhead with a change in policies?
 

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Really? Giving a huge tax cut for the rich, tariffs, conservative judges, xenophobes gone wild. Seems the same crap as always.

Maybe you're confusing being a dickhead with a change in policies?

Not sure if I understand your post. Do you think the Trump presidency has upheld traditions and the status quo?
 

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Not sure if I understand your post. Do you think the Trump presidency has upheld traditions and the status quo?

I don't how to simplify it any more, so I must conclude you're just being intentionally obtuse.

Do you really think giving huge tax cuts to the rich, tariffs, conservative judges and xenophobes gone wild are not the Republican status quo?

Maybe you're confusing voting for an immoral, lying pervert with a change in the status quo?
 

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I don't how to simplify it any more, so I must conclude you're just being intentionally obtuse.

Do you really think giving huge tax cuts to the rich, tariffs, conservative judges and xenophobes gone wild are not the Republican status quo?

Maybe you're confusing voting for an immoral, lying pervert with a change in the status quo?

We're talking about two different things.

In your opinion, "giving huge tax cuts to the rich, tariffs, conservative judges and xenophobes gone wild" is the status quo for Republican presidents.

In my opinion, Trump has done a lot more to rock the boat than he has to maintain the status quo and traditions in this country.

Before you call someone "obtuse" again, please check to see if your out of the mainstream opinions have been adequately explained.
 

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I don't how to simplify it any more, so I must conclude you're just being intentionally obtuse.

Do you really think giving huge tax cuts to the rich, tariffs, conservative judges and xenophobes gone wild are not the Republican status quo?

Maybe you're confusing voting for an immoral, lying pervert with a change in the status quo?

A big "no" on tariffs. The rest...sure.
 

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We're talking about two different things.

In your opinion, "giving huge tax cuts to the rich, tariffs, conservative judges and xenophobes gone wild" is the status quo for Republican presidents.

In my opinion, Trump has done a lot more to rock the boat than he has to maintain the status quo and traditions in this country.

Before you call someone "obtuse" again, please check to see if your out of the mainstream opinions have been adequately explained.

I understand your opinion now. I just don't believe that proposing the same old policies is rocking anything. If you believe that a president with an eight grade grasp of world affairs, making us the laughing of the world while promoting the same ol' crap is rocking the boat, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 

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We're talking about two different things.

In your opinion, "giving huge tax cuts to the rich, tariffs, conservative judges and xenophobes gone wild" is the status quo for Republican presidents.

In my opinion, Trump has done a lot more to rock the boat than he has to maintain the status quo and traditions in this country.

Before you call someone "obtuse" again, please check to see if your out of the mainstream opinions have been adequately explained.

You are right, Trump has changed the status quo, but not for the good. He has made lying about everything an art. He even seems to lie when telling the truth would have helped him and his party more. He has turned the country one that was respected and admired by at least our allies into one that the whole world holds in disdain, and that is quite a feat. He has made the wealthy wealthier, killed the middle class and hurt the poor. He has tried and keeps on trying to take health care away from millions of Americans. He has failed to keep nost of the major promises he made. I could go on but, yes, he has definitely changed the status quo, but as I said, not for the good!
 

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For president that is. Some, if not most of you, have likely voted for a Democrat for another office before. But what about president?

I have never voted for a Democrat with one exception: a local office (not even state level) because I went to HS with him and thought he was cool enough. That was years ago.

I left the party in 2012. But I will still vote for any candidate I can feel OK about. I haven't felt that since 2008 (and it was iffy then).

If you could vote for a Democrat in 2020, who might it be?

Thus far, of any names bandied about, I could vote for Amy Klobuchar. But I haven't really researched her, so that could change. I can't think of any other on the lists I've seen that I could vote for.

I want Trump gone, but I will abstain from voting for anyone if there is not a choice I think is good enough. I did so in 2016. Was going to vote for Gary Johnson, but I think being president of a marijuana company after 2012 damaged his brain.

So Republican, ex-R, or otherwise aligned, could you do it? And who?
I voted for Obama in 2000. Turned out to be a disappointment but McCain was s terrible candidate. It's not often but I do occasionally vote for Democrats. I vote for the person not the party. I often vote 3rd party.

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Right now, today, I would consider Beto O’Rourke. A centrist, smart, experienced, and a proven strong campaigner.
If you consider him a centrist you are very far left

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