GOP Congressman has good idea how to secure the border without wall

[independentusa]

https://www.businessinsider.com/wil...idea-fiber-optic-cable-instead-of-wall-2019-1
This is a great idea, killing two birds with one stone by securing our border with a fiber optic cable and sensors for most of the border. It would also make it possible to have this system used for high speed internet in rural areas where it is now impossible because of expense. It would sense not only digging, but all of those trucks and cars Trump is talking about that havae women tied up in the back seats with tape across their mouths. That last was a joke. Need a little humor now and then.

 

[Kal'Stang]

https://www.businessinsider.com/wil...idea-fiber-optic-cable-instead-of-wall-2019-1
This is a great idea, killing two birds with one stone by securing our border with a fiber optic cable and sensors for most of the border. It would also make it possible to have this system used for high speed internet in rural areas where it is now impossible because of expense. It would sense not only digging, but all of those trucks and cars Trump is talking about that havae women tied up in the back seats with tape across their mouths. That last was a joke. Need a little humor now and then.

A fiber optic cable used as a sensor? How does that work?

 

[Mycroft]

https://www.businessinsider.com/wil...idea-fiber-optic-cable-instead-of-wall-2019-1
This is a great idea, killing two birds with one stone by securing our border with a fiber optic cable and sensors for most of the border. It would also make it possible to have this system used for high speed internet in rural areas where it is now impossible because of expense. It would sense not only digging, but all of those trucks and cars Trump is talking about that havae women tied up in the back seats with tape across their mouths. That last was a joke. Need a little humor now and then.

1. Trump isn't talking about a wall from sea to shining sea.

2. What is the cost of this fiber optic cable and associated hardware and software?

I suspect these points contribute to the reason he hasn't talked to the President about his idea.

 

[Rexedgar]

1. Trump isn't talking about a wall from sea to shining sea.

2. What is the cost of this fiber optic cable and associated hardware and software?

I suspect these points contribute to the reason he hasn't talked to the President about his idea.

Have there been any reports as to the exact location of the desired “barrier/wall/steel slats?”

 

[azgreg]

A fiber optic cable used as a sensor? How does that work?

The cable itself isn't the sensor. It would deliver the data from sensors along the border.

 

[apdst]

https://www.businessinsider.com/wil...idea-fiber-optic-cable-instead-of-wall-2019-1
This is a great idea, killing two birds with one stone by securing our border with a fiber optic cable and sensors for most of the border. It would also make it possible to have this system used for high speed internet in rural areas where it is now impossible because of expense. It would sense not only digging, but all of those trucks and cars Trump is talking about that havae women tied up in the back seats with tape across their mouths. That last was a joke. Need a little humor now and then.

And when the coyotes cut the cable? Then what?

Or, they just cruise on across it, because there nothing physically stopping them, alarms go off in a BP station and by the time the agents get there, poof! they're all gone.

Are you praising this idea because you know it won't work?

They tried motion sensors in Vietnam. The enemy either disabled them, or avoided them.

 

[apdst]

1. Trump isn't talking about a wall from sea to shining sea.

2. What is the cost of this fiber optic cable and associated hardware and software?

I suspect these points contribute to the reason he hasn't talked to the President about his idea.

Whatcha want to bet that Hurd has some pards that are just the guys to install and maintain the cable?

 

[Kal'Stang]

And when the coyotes cut the cable? Then what?

Or, they just cruise on across it, because there nothing physically stopping them, alarms go off in a BP station and by the time the agents get there, poof! they're all gone.

Are you praising this idea because you know it won't work?

They tried motion sensors in Vietnam. The enemy either disabled them, or avoided them.

Technology has advanced a lot farther since Vietnam. Devices are smaller (meaning that they can be hidden a lot easier), can be used at longer ranges etc etc. And in order to cut the cable they're going to have to dig for it...in the mean time the sensors are going hog wild with the location. If a sensor does happen to go out those investigating can bring a spare to hook up.

And from the sounds of it the sensors could track whoever crosses the border for miles and miles (assuming it is laid out properly) and the trespassers could be intercepted with that practically real time information.

 

[joko104]

So the purpose is what? To keep a record of how many illegal migrants have come into the USA? A sensor never stopped anyone nor slowed anyone down.

 

[Kal'Stang]

1. Trump isn't talking about a wall from sea to shining sea.

2. What is the cost of this fiber optic cable and associated hardware and software?

I suspect these points contribute to the reason he hasn't talked to the President about his idea.

The cost could probably be made up via the peoples paying to use the internet over that line.

 

[Mr Person]

A fiber optic cable used as a sensor? How does that work?

https://www.sensorsmag.com/components/introduction-to-fiber-optic-sensors

https://www.azosensors.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=333

How fibre optical sensors work





Google: your friend.

 

[azgreg]

Technology has advanced a lot farther since Vietnam. Devices are smaller (meaning that they can be hidden a lot easier), can be used at longer ranges etc etc. And in order to cut the cable they're going to have to dig for it...in the mean time the sensors are going hog wild with the location. If a sensor does happen to go out those investigating can bring a spare to hook up.

And from the sounds of it the sensors could track whoever crosses the border for miles and miles (assuming it is laid out properly) and the trespassers could be intercepted with that practically real time information.

One of the sensors that is being considered is a lidar sensor. It's the same type of sensor used in self driving cars.

I like this idea generally. There are already towers along the Arizona border that are solar powered.

 

[Fenton]

https://www.businessinsider.com/wil...idea-fiber-optic-cable-instead-of-wall-2019-1
This is a great idea, killing two birds with one stone by securing our border with a fiber optic cable and sensors for most of the border. It would also make it possible to have this system used for high speed internet in rural areas where it is now impossible because of expense. It would sense not only digging, but all of those trucks and cars Trump is talking about that havae women tied up in the back seats with tape across their mouths. That last was a joke. Need a little humor now and then.

Have you ever priced fiber optic cable ?

 

[Kal'Stang]

So the purpose is what? To keep a record of how many illegal migrants have come into the USA? A sensor never stopped anyone nor slowed anyone down.

If the sensors are laid out properly then whoever trespasses can be tracked and intercepted even over miles and miles of driving. Most illegals that cross the border illegally via ways that don't use a road (ex: ports of entry) probably won't have vehicles so I'm sure they could be intercepted via this.

 

[azgreg]

Have you ever priced fiber optic cable ?

have you ever priced a 40' wall?

 

[independentusa]

And when the coyotes cut the cable? Then what?

Or, they just cruise on across it, because there nothing physically stopping them, alarms go off in a BP station and by the time the agents get there, poof! they're all gone.

Are you praising this idea because you know it won't work?

They tried motion sensors in Vietnam. The enemy either disabled them, or avoided them.

The cable would be buried.

 

[azgreg]

The cable would be buried.

Regardless of how deep it's buried the idea of it being cut isn't out of the question.

 

[Deuce]

1. Trump isn't talking about a wall from sea to shining sea.

Not now he isn’t. He walked it back.

2. What is the cost of this fiber optic cable and associated hardware and software?

I suspect these points contribute to the reason he hasn't talked to the President about his idea.

Less than a wall.

 

[Deuce]

Have you ever priced fiber optic cable ?

Have you ever priced walls in the range of hundreds of miles?

 

[Kal'Stang]

Have you ever priced fiber optic cable ?

About 1-6 dollars per foot depending on fiber count. At $6 per foot with 2k miles that comes out to about $63,360,000. Not bad actually. Less than what the materials would cost to build a concrete wall or a steel slat wall. Concrete costs around 7-12 dollars per sq foot. Steel costs around 7-10 per foot. These prices are what I could find using google.

 

[independentusa]

So the purpose is what? To keep a record of how many illegal migrants have come into the USA? A sensor never stopped anyone nor slowed anyone down.

Well, just the other day almost 400 asylum seekers dug under one of existing walls and got into the USA without anyne knowing because no sensors. When a sensor is set off, you go get the bad guys. Easy to understand if you want to.

 

[independentusa]

Have you ever priced fiber optic cable ?

You tell me what is more expensive by the mile, a wall or optic cable?

 

[independentusa]

Regardless of how deep it's buried the idea of it being cut isn't out of the question.

First, you would have to know where the cable is buried. Are they willing to dig up the whole place to find it. And if it is cut, we would know and go repair. Cheaper than replacing a secition of fence everytime someone cuts through the metal slats.

 

[independentusa]

About 1-6 dollars per foot depending on fiber count. At $6 per foot with 2k miles that comes out to about $63,360,000. Not bad actually. Less than what the materials would cost to build a concrete wall or a steel slat wall. Concrete costs around 7-12 dollars per sq foot. Steel costs around 7-10 per foot. These prices are what I could find using google.

I would suspect that if you are buying optic cable by the mile, you could get it pretty cheap.

 

[Kal'Stang]

I would suspect that if you are burying optic cable by the mile, you could get it pretty cheap.

Bulk discount...probably. But you know our government...they'll pay 20k just for a toilet seat cover.