Goodbye

[bub]

I don't know where to post it or even if I should write it, but anyway...

I spent a lot of time on this forum. I talked to many people. That's cool, I saw that most of them had different points of views.

However.

There are 2 tribes here, the liberals and the conservatives. Most of them bash each other. No one convinces the other. They don't even seem to read the other's arguments. There is a very deep division and I'm not used to it.

I tried to explain my own point of view. Many of you disagreed, but that's not the problem. The problem, it's that I had the feeling to be fair, I tried to bring arguments, while the answers were always the same. When I tried to show that the USA were not perfect, I was "bashing the USA". When I showed statistics, they were simply ignored. When I showed external links, it was irrelevant. When I tried to explain myself, it was as if I was insulting everybody. There was nothing constructive.

Now I think I should give it up.

Ciao.

:hm

 

[cherokee]

I don't know where to post it or even if I should write it, but anyway...

I spent a lot of time on this forum. I talked to many people. That's cool, I saw that most of them had different points of views.

However.

There are 2 tribes here, the liberals and the conservatives. Most of them bash each other. No one convinces the other. They don't even seem to read the other's arguments. There is a very deep division and I'm not used to it.

I tried to explain my own point of view. Many of you disagreed, but that's not the problem. The problem, it's that I had the feeling to be fair, I tried to bring arguments, while the answers were always the same. When I tried to show that the USA were not perfect, I was "bashing the USA". When I showed statistics, they were simply ignored. When I showed external links, it was irrelevant. When I tried to explain myself, it was as if I was insulting everybody. There was nothing constructive.

Now I think I should give it up.

Ciao.

:hm

Bye............

And just for the record it was you who wouldn’t budge. You came in with a fixed opinion about the US that you wouldn’t back up.

We know the US isn’t perfect, hell I've said it many of times.
Maybe one day you'll learn that just because things get tough it doesn’t mean one should give up.

 

[PoliticalActivist]

I don't know where to post it or even if I should write it, but anyway...

I spent a lot of time on this forum. I talked to many people. That's cool, I saw that most of them had different points of views.

However.

There are 2 tribes here, the liberals and the conservatives. Most of them bash each other. No one convinces the other. They don't even seem to read the other's arguments. There is a very deep division and I'm not used to it.

I tried to explain my own point of view. Many of you disagreed, but that's not the problem. The problem, it's that I had the feeling to be fair, I tried to bring arguments, while the answers were always the same. When I tried to show that the USA were not perfect, I was "bashing the USA". When I showed statistics, they were simply ignored. When I showed external links, it was irrelevant. When I tried to explain myself, it was as if I was insulting everybody. There was nothing constructive.

Now I think I should give it up.

Ciao.

:hm

Sorry Bub, I respect your opinions and viewpoints very much, but I am not
going to co-sign a someone who run or feel sorry for themselves.
I think you should keep your *** on this site, due to the fact that regardless
to who might dis-agree with you..you are allowed to express your likes or
dislikes, and thhere is things that will happen in life that we can't run all
the time.

I am a Muslim that was born and raised here in America, but the fact that
there's a war in the middle east do not prevent me from defending my
people, and we all have the rights to express our dislikes. Keep coming
to this site as long as you want to. Do research about different items
concerning the American government and people, and post what you think
about your findings and review your feedback. Again, I am not going to
say good bye. Because I do not believe in the word Good Bye. Good Bye
is when you pay your respect to a deceased person that you won't NEVER
see or talk to again. If you still should decide to leave...then Later Gator

 

[bub]

TY.

But I don't feel sorry for myself! I'm just a bit discouraged because whatever I write, it looks useless, nobody changes his mind! It's like talking to a wall!

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by bub:
TY.

But I don't feel sorry for myself! I'm just a bit discouraged because whatever I write, it looks useless, nobody changes his mind! It's like talking to a wall!

bub,

If you don't like what you see, lower your standards. Or at the very least, change the goal you're expecting. Americans are selfish, ignorant, narcissistic, arrogant, too much TV watching, a.s.s.holes who are too stupid to vote responsibly or communicate like a rational adults. Some are very caring and intelligent, others are simply cretons.

You're not going to change anyone. That's up to the reader. It's more important for you to get your word out and let the chips fall where they may. It is okay to fail, it is not okay to quit!

I hope you change your mind.

If you do, I'll make you this promise:
Give me a list of all the people that gave you s.h.i.t, and I will make their lives a living hell! In the Basement, of coarse.

I probably already have...


In all seriousness,

This forum needs people like you.

 

[Thelost1]

Yeah, c'mon Bub. You gotta stay.

 

[1069]

Goodbye...

'kay then, laters.

 

[Billo_Really]

Anytime you see people, who can treat like s.h.i.t, someone who is kind and respectful (but just disagrees), your not talking "mental health".

 

[bub]

Bon...I look very stupid now...but I wrote it too fast, and I should not leave before a short explanation with some guys here :argue :shoot :duel :flame:

just because things get tough it doesn’t mean one should give up.

OK

Lets move this thread to "the basement", and open the fire.

 

[aps]

I know what you're saying. There are people that no matter how many facts you present to them, they aren't going to see your point of view, and they will spin the facts in a way that no rational person would. Yes, it is frustrating. IGNORE THEM. Continue to post. You will learn whom to ignore, whom to laugh at, and with whom you can have substantive/thoughtful exchanges. It's like real life.

 

[MSgt]

Bon...I look very stupid now...but I wrote it too fast, and I should not leave before a short explanation with some guys here :argue :shoot :duel :flame:

OK

Lets move this thread to "the basement", and open the fire.

Moderator's Warning:

As you wish....

It's pointless to leave. The fun is in the discussion, which you have proven to be able to do. Changing minds isn't something that should be expected most of the time. But if I'm a factor, I really don't do "basement."

 

[cherokee]

Bon...I look very stupid now...but I wrote it too fast, and I should not leave before a short explanation with some guys here :argue :shoot :duel :flame:

OK

Lets move this thread to "the basement", and open the fire.

well, well... you're not gonna be a total ***** after all.

"Open the fire"?........ok you're a f.u.c.k.i.n.g retard.
How's that ya dumb son of a bitch?

 

[americanwoman]

hey bub where ya going?!? I think you are a pretty cool guy and I hope you don't go. I know how frustrating it can get here. It's a debating site but there are some who choose not to actually debate but fight.

I'm just a bit discouraged because whatever I write, it looks useless, nobody changes his mind! It's like talking to a wall!

Maybe nobody will admit you changed their mind but maybe late at night when they are in bed they will break down and say "hmm bub did have a point there"

anywayz I do hope you decide to stay though cuz as Billo said:

This forum needs people like you.

:2wave:

 

[bub]

Originally Posted by aps
I know what you're saying. There are people that no matter how many facts you present to them, they aren't going to see your point of view, and they will spin the facts in a way that no rational person would. Yes, it is frustrating.

That's exactly what I felt. :doh

Originally Posted by GySgt
It's pointless to leave. The fun is in the discussion, which you have proven to be able to do. Changing minds isn't something that should be expected most of the time.

OK OK you're right. My aim was to show you something at any price and that could not work anyway.

well, well... you're not gonna be a total ***** after all.

:gunsmilie tactical retreat :mrgreen:

"Open the fire"?........ok you're a f.u.c.k.i.n.g retard.
QUOTE]
I really try to lower my standards for you, but, eh, what you lack in intelligence, you make up for in enthusiasm!

How's that ya dumb son of a bitch?

many conservatives look normal...what happened to you???

:mrgreen:

(thx Americanwoman!)

 

[Gardener]

Two tribes, huh?

Perhaps it this extreme limitation in your world view responsible for your distress.

What if you divorced yourself from this manichaean world view? You may find youself less distressed.

 

[cherokee]

I really try to lower my standards for you, but, eh, what you lack in intelligence, you make up for in enthusiasm!
many conservatives look normal...what happened to you???

Why because I wont bow to a retard like you?.
My lack of intelligence? Ok then take your dumbass upstairs and answer my f.u.c.k.i.n.g post.

By the way Willie this is the basement I don’t have to be civil here…

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Cherokee:
Why because I wont bow to a retard like you?.

And just what kind of retards, DO YOU bow too?

 

[Hatuey]

And just what kind of retards, DO YOU bow too?

The kind that have big ****, fat ***, a ***** and blond hair...but then again...who wont bow down to that kind of retard...any of you give me a wrong answer and I'll call bullshit.

 

[bub]

Hi!

My lack of intelligence? Ok then take your dumbass upstairs and answer my f.u.c.k.i.n.g post.

Ahahah I'm glad to see I irritated you even more :lol: I typed "worst insult" on google and took the funniest one
Which post do you want me to answer?!?

Now I'm gonna explain you why you (and others) get on my nerves:

1) You caricature me. You overdo, transform what I say. Example: http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...esolutions-argument-muslims-2.html#post506938

This time it was with Billo, but it's the same with me:

While I said several times I was against violence you always thought I supported terrorism:

originally posted by Cherokee :
So are you AGAIN making excuses for Islamic terrorists groups today?

you just stated your support for the tactics of terrorist

you understand and approve of smaller groups using terrorists tactics against lager groups

Is this the part were you say its ok to use suicide bombings again?

That is particularly irritating because I made efforts to be fair. Terrorism is an example but it is the same on every topic, and not only with you. I try to explain something and you focus on a misinterpreted part and ignore/don't understand my argument. But I suppose I do the same.

2) You don't give me any credit.

Originaly posted by Cherokee
What a load of crap! You are truly brainwashed.

You are truly one sick son of a bitch to say the massacre of children was done under the flag of independence.

Is this just more retarded BS you like to make up as you go along?

You can talk all your bullchit about the peacefulness of Islam

Tell me why I have the feeling your full of chit over this?

This is extremely irritating because I make researches. I don't post only what I think myself but what I read in books and in my courses. I don't agree with you but that does not mean I am wrong. What if you thought I am wrong because you don't understand my arguments? I don't know how to say it, but try to be in my shoes!


3) You are agressive towards the people you don't agree with. Just look how fast you become rude! Show them my last PM! Where was it disrespectful? And look at what you wrote! Your answer was disproportionatley agressive. Maybe I chose the wrong words, maybe it looked rude, I don't know. I wanted a constructive debate, not a quarrel!

 

[danarhea]

The kind that have big ****, fat ***, a ***** and blond hair...but then again...who wont bow down to that kind of retard...any of you give me a wrong answer and I'll call bullshit.

I wouldn't be too sure of that. There are less "natural blondes" than people think.

q. What do a blonde and a 747 have in common?

a. They both have black boxes.

 

[cherokee]

Hi!
Ahahah I'm glad to see I irritated you even more :lol: I typed "worst insult" on google and took the funniest one
Which post do you want me to answer?!?
Now I'm gonna explain you why you (and others) get on my nerves:

Please don’t explain "Why" because I really don’t give a f.u.c.k if I get on your nerves. And I really don’t want to hear you f.u.c.k.i.n.g whine about like it a little *****.

Still waiting for your reply....
http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-terror/18233-jihad-flash-video-7.html

1) You caricature me. You overdo, transform what I say. Example: http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...esolutions-argument-muslims-2.html#post506938
This time it was with Billo, but it's the same with me:
While I said several times I was against violence you always thought I supported terrorism:

Re-read the post dumda$$..It was about who started the war.. Billo stated Hezbollah started the war I said they didn’t.
He and I hardly agree on a f.u.c.k.i.n.g thing but I do respect the guy because unlike you he's got the balls to do everything he can to back up his beliefs.

Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
Your link confirmed the kidnapping!You started the last war by capping a couple guys on Lebanese soil, now you want to start another one. If you want to start something, how about starting to comply with the 33 UN Resolutions your in violation of.
Israel sucks! You can't have your cake and eat it too!
But they do have a right to exist.

Originally posted by Cherokee:
Oh and I guess you think the hezbollah did nothing huh?....

Of course it wasn’t the hezbollah, they are such a peaceful group who preach love and hand out flowers...............

That is particularly irritating because I made efforts to be fair. Terrorism is an example but it is the same on every topic, and not only with you. I try to explain something and you focus on a misinterpreted part and ignore/don't understand my argument. But I suppose I do the same.

You haven’t proven jackshit! I point out your mistakes and You dodge my questions like the f.u.c.k.i.n.g plague.

2) You don't give me any credit.

Oh god please don’t cry...:roll: I'll give you credit when you f.u.c.k.i.n.g say something intelligent...ok? you want a cookie too?

This is extremely irritating because I make researches. I don't post only what I think myself but what I read in books and in my courses. I don't agree with you but that does not mean I am wrong. What if you thought I am wrong because you don't understand my arguments? I don't know how to say it, but try to be in my shoes!

It boils down to is
YOU DONT BACK UP ANYTHING YOU SAY. What pisses you off is I wont believe something just because you post it. Provide links son....
Oh and I like my boots just fine thanks..

3) You are agressive towards the people you don't agree with. Just look how fast you become rude! Show them my last PM! Where was it disrespectful? And look at what you wrote! Your answer was disproportionatley agressive. Maybe I chose the wrong words, maybe it looked rude, I don't know. I wanted a constructive debate, not a quarrel!

Maybe because I'm something of an aggressive person?:doh
but don’t start crying again...

Deal with it or post the evidence I ask you to post and shut me the hell up.
How’s that you ask........

If you claim 1 millions Iraqi's have been killed by the US and I say "Prove it". Then f.u.c.k.i.n.g prove you’re number is right!
Show me the data moron...

Now, now do you feel better?
Want me to sent hippowhatever to tuck you in now?

 

[Flea]

I appreciate you trying to balance things out bub, but seriously man, you just got's ta chill. Accept people for what they are. Cherokee is an aggresive writer. He was/is a Marine. I like his natural and honest style. He is passionate.

Some people are ****-ups like Paladin or psycho-feminist nazi's like 1069 or communists like LeftyHenry or mom's like Stace or fathers like BodiSatva or just really nice guys like Captain Courtesy.

Acceptance is an important step. It allows you to hear the other person without getting defensive, which is what you doing. Being Defensive. Just accept what people are and move on to talking. When Cherokee lashes out with a "f.u.c.k. that f.u.c.k.i.n.g. chit Johnny" I just realize he is really saying "I disagree". Find your translator button and activate it.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by bub:
But I suppose I do the same.

No you don't!

The bottom line is...

They don't have the balls to stop lying to themselves!

Everything they say, stems from that!

 

[bub]

I appreciate you trying to balance things out bub, but seriously man, you just got's ta chill. Accept people for what they are. Cherokee is an aggresive writer. He was/is a Marine. I like his natural and honest style. He is passionate.

Some people are ****-ups like Paladin or psycho-feminist nazi's like 1069 or communists like LeftyHenry or mom's like Stace or fathers like BodiSatva or just really nice guys like Captain Courtesy.

Acceptance is an important step. It allows you to hear the other person without getting defensive, which is what you doing. Being Defensive. Just accept what people are and move on to talking. When Cherokee lashes out with a "f.u.c.k. that f.u.c.k.i.n.g. chit Johnny" I just realize he is really saying "I disagree". Find your translator button and activate it.

Myeah you must be right. Look: I try to "make peace" and how many times did he write "f.u.c.k.i.n.g." or "dumba$$"??? I'll be careful now. Thx for the advice

@ Billo: thanx a lot for your support, dude. I did not want to "radicalize" but it seems to be the only way to be listened.

@ Cherokee: why do you ask me to reply, anyway you'll re-answer the same propaganda again and again and again. Maybe tomorrow, if I have time to waste.

 

[Flea]

Originally Posted by bub
Myeah you must be right. Look: I try to "make peace" and how many times did he write "f.u.c.k.i.n.g." or "dumba$$"??? I'll be careful now. Thx for the advice

That is it! No sweat. You're welcome. What makes him a good guy is that unlike some people that just can't let go of their petty hate, he can. Let's all jump on the Cherokee Bandwagon and smother him with kindness! :2razz: