CletusWilbury
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its hilarious seeing progressives complaining about a freedom that bothers some of the control freak members of police departments. We will keep that in mind when the Antifa and other rent a riots are engaging in civil unrest
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The City Council voted 13 to 1 to pass an ordinance that would prohibit a long list of items at rallies, demonstrations and public assemblies, including metal pipes, swords, torches with an open flame, bricks, signs that are not made out of soft material or thin cardboard, and shields made of wood, metal or hard plastic.
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It's up to the states if open carry is a right. Antifa should be treated the same as Nazis.
L.A. bans pepper spray, baseball bats, weapons and other items at protests
Since the right to Keep and Bear Arms is an individual right, either concealed carry or open carry must be a right.
...D.C.'s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully-owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this (2nd amendment) guarantee.
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I'll argue that you're Constitutionally incorrect here. The Bill of Rights refers to the Federal government. Civil Rights, for example, have been extended by Amendment, and others have been extended by court rulings.
Going to the key case:
District of Columbia v. Heller
In which case, any person with a lick of common sense would tell you that the cops in the crowd were just as ineffective.
You love cherry picking this crappola, ......................meanwhile the average gun confrontation is within 20-30 feet.
The Bill of Rights was extended to the states under the 14th, and the 2nd again under McDonald v Chicago.
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Heller said "The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home". That's not a limitation to the home at all.
Excellent reply, especially since I hadn't seen McDonald v. City of Chicago, which clears up (crushes) my state issue argument. But we have no open carry with permits for concealed carry here in California. I await the court case, I'm obviously over my head here on the Constitution.
See Nichols v Brown. The 9th Circuit Court of Rubber Stamp strikes again.
I wonder what the NRA will say.
About what? A good guy with a gun? Instead of wondering about it, why don't you go to their TV station and find out?
https://www.nratv.com/series/stinch...ives/episode/stinchfield-season-1-episode-216
Thanks, interesting. I was aware of the situation from local San Diego reporting, knew it was being taken to court, didn't know the name of the case or its situation. Is SCOTUS really going to decide open carry for the whole nation?
They could. Laws that prevent both open carry and concealed carry would seem to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.
True. But hasn't that always been the case in major cities, for example? And modern weapons have complicated the situation.
Just a few major cities have de facto prohibited both. The exceptions to concealed carry restrictions are typicallylimited to the rich and famous. And criminal.
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Fort Worth, Texas .... there would be a ban on carrying guns in the city. Even the police officers were to replace their pistols with clubs or nightsticks. Needless to say, the reformers got their share of flack from the “business” interests of the town, but, by the turn of the century, all these reforms were being enforced.
Dodge City, Kansas ... As early as 1876, Dodge City had a ban on carrying guns on the north side of town (the south side remained wide open), a ban that was rarely enforced. However, by 1883 the death toll from gun play had risen sufficiently for the town fathers to enact a stricter ban. Ordinance No. 67 enacted August 14th 1882 specified that no one could “carry concealed or otherwise about his or her person, any pistol, bowie knife, slung shot or other dangerous or deadly weapons, except County, City, or United Sates Officers”
Tombstone, Arizona (reported often)
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And in the late 1700s and early 1800s, the state and federal governments conducted several arms censuses. (Imagine what the NRA would say if government officials went door to door today asking people how many guns they owned and whether they were functional.)...
This is interesting:
Five myths about gun control WP Opinion
An indication that might very well be true: Historical Statistics of the U.S. 1789-1945
Were there any banning or confiscation efforts in those days?
Because the NRA says stuff like "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" with that, yes they are promoting that as a strategy to deal with mass shooters, if they have different plan, I would love to hear it.
What is the average of mass shootings that have been foiled by good guys with guns?
Were there any banning or confiscation efforts in those days?
That assumes he the good guy with a gun doesn't freeze, run away, get shot before he can do anything, gets sloppy while trying to deal with the shooters, etc. There is way too many chance factors for this to be a valid strategy to deal with mass shootings.
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