Good guy with a gun --> dead 9 year old

Mr Person · Feb 17, 2022

On Monday night, Alvarez, an electrician, left work around 8:30 and planned to deposit money in the ATM at a Chase Bank branch before a late family dinner on Valentine’s Day. As he approached the bank around 9:45, Alvarez saw a robbery underway.

A man later identified as 41-year-old Tony Earls was in his vehicle at the bank’s ATM when a stranger approached and robbed him at gunpoint, Houston Police Department Executive Chief Matt Slinkard said at a news conference early Tuesday. As the attacker fled, Earls pulled his own gun, got out of his vehicle and started shooting as the Alvarez family happened upon the scene in the F-250, Slinkard said.

That is when, according to Armando Alvarez, the shooter started firing at his family, getting as close as 10 feet as he “sprayed” bullets into the pickup truck. Police have said that Earls thought the robber had gotten into Alvarez’s pickup, KTRK reported. One of the bullets shattered the back window and struck Arlene, Slinkard said. Like his wife, Armando had been shouting for his family to duck and watched as everyone but Arlene obeyed. When he saw her drop, he initially thought she’d finally heard him, he said. Then he realized he’d seen something else, he said, something terrible.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/17/9-year-old-arlene-alvarez-shot-killed-houston/

This scumbag Earls should be in jail. Shooting at someone who is fleeing is not self-defense. He went vigilante. He thought he was a good guy with a gun. He was gonna show that bad guy robber that he robbed the wrong person.

He killed a nine year old and broke a family is what he actually did.

That's where the good guy with the gun fantasy gets us.

Sure, maybe you are going to be lucky sometimes. But there are plenty of times when you're not and when you're not, someone else is dead. Someone who isn't a bad guy.

Earls has been charged with aggravated assault causing serious bodily injury, Houston police said. Earls’s attorney did not immediately respond to a request from The Washington Post for comment.

That's all?

Noodlegawd · Feb 17, 2022

Not a good guy with a gun. Nice try though.

Gateman_Wen · Feb 17, 2022

Mr Person said:
On Monday night, Alvarez, an electrician, left work around 8:30 and planned to deposit money in the ATM at a Chase Bank branch before a late family dinner on Valentine’s Day. As he approached the bank around 9:45, Alvarez saw a robbery underway.

A man later identified as 41-year-old Tony Earls was in his vehicle at the bank’s ATM when a stranger approached and robbed him at gunpoint, Houston Police Department Executive Chief Matt Slinkard said at a news conference early Tuesday. As the attacker fled, Earls pulled his own gun, got out of his vehicle and started shooting as the Alvarez family happened upon the scene in the F-250, Slinkard said.

That is when, according to Armando Alvarez, the shooter started firing at his family, getting as close as 10 feet as he “sprayed” bullets into the pickup truck. Police have said that Earls thought the robber had gotten into Alvarez’s pickup, KTRK reported. One of the bullets shattered the back window and struck Arlene, Slinkard said. Like his wife, Armando had been shouting for his family to duck and watched as everyone but Arlene obeyed. When he saw her drop, he initially thought she’d finally heard him, he said. Then he realized he’d seen something else, he said, something terrible.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/17/9-year-old-arlene-alvarez-shot-killed-houston/

This scumbag Earls should be in jail. Shooting at someone who is fleeing is not self-defense. He went vigilante. He thought he was a good guy with a gun. He was gonna show that bad guy robber that he robbed the wrong person.

He killed a nine year old and broke a family is what he actually did.

That's where the good guy with the gun fantasy gets us.

Sure, maybe you are going to be lucky sometimes. But there are plenty of times when you're not and when you're not, someone else is dead. Someone who isn't a bad guy.

Earls has been charged with aggravated assault causing serious bodily injury, Houston police said. Earls’s attorney did not immediately respond to a request from The Washington Post for comment.

That's all?

LOck him up.

Gateman_Wen · Feb 17, 2022

Tlrmln said:
Not a good guy with a gun. Nice try though.

I bet he thinks he is. I also bet you would if he'd managed to shoot the right person, even if it was in the back.

Noodlegawd · Feb 17, 2022

Gateman_Wen said:
I bet he thinks he is. I also bet you would if he'd managed to shoot the right person, even if it was in the back.

You would be well-advised not to gamble then, since you appear to be willing to make bets based on nothing.

PoS · Feb 17, 2022

Mr Person said:
On Monday night, Alvarez, an electrician, left work around 8:30 and planned to deposit money in the ATM at a Chase Bank branch before a late family dinner on Valentine’s Day. As he approached the bank around 9:45, Alvarez saw a robbery underway.

A man later identified as 41-year-old Tony Earls was in his vehicle at the bank’s ATM when a stranger approached and robbed him at gunpoint, Houston Police Department Executive Chief Matt Slinkard said at a news conference early Tuesday. As the attacker fled, Earls pulled his own gun, got out of his vehicle and started shooting as the Alvarez family happened upon the scene in the F-250, Slinkard said.

That is when, according to Armando Alvarez, the shooter started firing at his family, getting as close as 10 feet as he “sprayed” bullets into the pickup truck. Police have said that Earls thought the robber had gotten into Alvarez’s pickup, KTRK reported. One of the bullets shattered the back window and struck Arlene, Slinkard said. Like his wife, Armando had been shouting for his family to duck and watched as everyone but Arlene obeyed. When he saw her drop, he initially thought she’d finally heard him, he said. Then he realized he’d seen something else, he said, something terrible.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/17/9-year-old-arlene-alvarez-shot-killed-houston/

This scumbag Earls should be in jail. Shooting at someone who is fleeing is not self-defense. He went vigilante. He thought he was a good guy with a gun. He was gonna show that bad guy robber that he robbed the wrong person.

He killed a nine year old and broke a family is what he actually did.

That's where the good guy with the gun fantasy gets us.

Sure, maybe you are going to be lucky sometimes. But there are plenty of times when you're not and when you're not, someone else is dead. Someone who isn't a bad guy.

Earls has been charged with aggravated assault causing serious bodily injury, Houston police said. Earls’s attorney did not immediately respond to a request from The Washington Post for comment.

That's all?

This op is wrong on so many levels its just pure silliness.

First of all, Earl is not a good guy with a gun. He's an idiot. He violated one of the 4 basic rules of gun safety, which is: being sure of your target and what lies beyond it. This is why gangbagers on drive-bys always end up shooting bystanders. Anyone who violates the rules is not.a.good.guy.with.a.gun. Capisce?

Second, this is a moronic thread because you obviously dont know a thing about gun safety or about guns in general, so you created a strawman with which to tar all the legal and responsible gun owners out there to advance your political agenda, and you use the death of an innocent child to do it with too.

Keep up the bad work.

Mr Person · Feb 17, 2022

PoS said:
This op is wrong on so many levels its just pure silliness.

First of all, Earl is not a good guy with a gun. He's an idiot. He violated one of the 4 basic rules of gun safety, which is: being sure of your target and what lies beyond it. This is why gangbagers on drive-bys always end up shooting bystanders. Anyone who violates the rules is not.a.good.guy.with.a.gun. Capisce?

Second, this is a moronic thread because you obviously dont know a thing about gun safety or about guns in general, so you created a strawman with which to tar all the legal and responsible gun owners out there to advance your political agenda, and you use the death of an innocent child to do it with too.

Keep up the bad work.

PoS said:
LOL the irony!

Uh huh.

PoS said:
LOL so you cant rebut anything and resort to crying instead.

Every single day this guy rolls out of bed, hops on DP, runs to my activity, then drops a string of 2-5 revenge trolling posts. I'm not surprised that the one time he half-attempted to address an actual subject, he had to lie about what I said.

Or maybe that gives too much credit. It sounds like he didn't grasp a single one of the points.

Run along, PoS.

Mr Person · Feb 17, 2022

Gateman_Wen said:
I bet he thinks he is. I also bet you would if he'd managed to shoot the right person, even if it was in the back.

It's amazing the way some people are wired to miss points. Exactly: he sure thought he was a good guy with a gun.

The point. Or one of them.

Get what the point was yet, @PoS? No? Not surprised. Run along.

bluesmoke · Feb 17, 2022

The best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. That's never been proved by any stat. The "good Samaritan" is not even in jail. The automatic for LEO to do is to cuff him and take him in and hold his ass for the minimum time allowable. Some dude has a thought in his head he's Clint Eastwood or Charles Bronson, a good guy with a gun.

Gateman_Wen · Feb 17, 2022

Tlrmln said:
You would be well-advised not to gamble then, since you appear to be willing to make bets based on nothing.

Based on observations. This guy is only one bad decision from a "good guy with a gun". Just one. All of them are because there are many more wrong choices than right in that kinda situation. If you choose to wield deadly force you're taking not just your life in your hands, but everyone around you's lives as well. This is why I'm for gun control. A little training, some education, and a mental health screening could drastically cut shooting domestically.

PeacefulWarrior · Feb 17, 2022

Tlrmln said:
Not a good guy with a gun.

Right.

They almost never are "good guys". Not really.
But thats how they all see themselves in the Gun Nutter Nayshun.

Luce · Feb 17, 2022

Off to jail he goes.

PeacefulWarrior · Feb 17, 2022

PoS said:
First of all, Earl is not a good guy with a gun. He's an idiot.

Like most of his gun toting brethren, IMO.

He isnt qualified or responsible enough to be carrying a gun around.

Many of our fabulous dp Gun Nuts brag about how they pull their guns out on people frequently to "diffuse situations" before they happen or some such bull pucky.

I'd support some pretty comprehensive gun bans in the USA PoS. And carrying loaded firearms around everywhere is not something the general public should be doing.

BAN. THEM. ALL.

(crime will fall)

Rich2018 · Feb 17, 2022

Luce said:
Off to jail he goes.

Hopefully for a LONG time.

Fletch · Feb 17, 2022

Mr Person said:
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Every single day this guy rolls out of bed, hops on DP, runs to my activity, then drops a string of 2-5 revenge trolling posts. I'm not surprised that the one time he half-attempted to address an actual subject, he had to lie about what I said.

Or maybe that gives too much credit. It sounds like he didn't grasp a single one of the points.

Run along, PoS.

Translation: PoS dismantled you moronic OP and now you are pissed.

Gateman_Wen · Feb 17, 2022

PeacefulWarrior said:
Like most of his gun toting brethren, IMO.

He isnt qualified or responsible enough to be carrying a gun around.

Many of our fabulous dp Gun Nuts brag about how they pull their guns out on people frequently to "diffuse situations" before they happen or some such bull pucky.

I'd support some pretty comprehensive gun bans in the USA PoS. And carrying loaded firearms around everywhere is not something the general public should be doing.

BAN. THEM. ALL.

(crime will fall)

I have CCW, FFL, and SOT. I own many guns, both personally and through my company. When the security business is slow I teach defensive shooting. I don't carry them to the grocery store, the mall, or out to dinner. They are all locked in a safe of one sort or another when not in use. I'm pro gun control. Everyone needs some minimum training, a license, a background check, a mental health screening, and all weapons should be registered.

Noodlegawd · Feb 17, 2022

Gateman_Wen said:
Based on observations. This guy is only one bad decision from a "good guy with a gun". Just one.

That's true of everyone, with every thing, not just guns.

The difference between a "good guy" and a "bad guy" primarily lies the propensity to make bad decisions.

tres borrachos · Feb 17, 2022

Mr Person said:
On Monday night, Alvarez, an electrician, left work around 8:30 and planned to deposit money in the ATM at a Chase Bank branch before a late family dinner on Valentine’s Day. As he approached the bank around 9:45, Alvarez saw a robbery underway.

A man later identified as 41-year-old Tony Earls was in his vehicle at the bank’s ATM when a stranger approached and robbed him at gunpoint, Houston Police Department Executive Chief Matt Slinkard said at a news conference early Tuesday. As the attacker fled, Earls pulled his own gun, got out of his vehicle and started shooting as the Alvarez family happened upon the scene in the F-250, Slinkard said.

That is when, according to Armando Alvarez, the shooter started firing at his family, getting as close as 10 feet as he “sprayed” bullets into the pickup truck. Police have said that Earls thought the robber had gotten into Alvarez’s pickup, KTRK reported. One of the bullets shattered the back window and struck Arlene, Slinkard said. Like his wife, Armando had been shouting for his family to duck and watched as everyone but Arlene obeyed. When he saw her drop, he initially thought she’d finally heard him, he said. Then he realized he’d seen something else, he said, something terrible.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/17/9-year-old-arlene-alvarez-shot-killed-houston/

This scumbag Earls should be in jail. Shooting at someone who is fleeing is not self-defense. He went vigilante. He thought he was a good guy with a gun. He was gonna show that bad guy robber that he robbed the wrong person.

He killed a nine year old and broke a family is what he actually did.

That's where the good guy with the gun fantasy gets us.

Sure, maybe you are going to be lucky sometimes. But there are plenty of times when you're not and when you're not, someone else is dead. Someone who isn't a bad guy.

Earls has been charged with aggravated assault causing serious bodily injury, Houston police said. Earls’s attorney did not immediately respond to a request from The Washington Post for comment.

That's all?

Jesus Christ. What a horrible, terrible story.

Noodlegawd · Feb 17, 2022

PeacefulWarrior said:
Right.

They almost never are "good guys". Not really.

Nonsense. There are tens of millions of "good guys" who own guns and never shoot at anyone.

PeacefulWarrior · Feb 17, 2022

Gateman_Wen said:
I have CCW, FFL, and SOT. I own many guns, both personally and through my company. When the security business is slow I teach defensive shooting. I don't carry them to the grocery store, the mall, or out to dinner. They are all locked in a safe of one sort or another when not in use. I'm pro gun control. Everyone needs some minimum training, a license, a background check, a mental health screening, and all weapons should be registered.

I used to own lots of guns. All sorts, pistols, rifles, shotguns, assault weapons, mini 14.

I also have received military training and a laughable NRA ccw certification course. That no way qualifies a person to be carrying a gun around imo. Thats just me. I was even thinking "Bwahahaha, good lord this is a joke these people shouldn't be carrying guns."

But I just decided that guns are not for me. I don't hunt and there was a school shooting at my high school and I just felt disgusted to be around guns. After really looking at the data, I saw how obscene the USAs numbers are regarding shootings and deaths.

I don't think I personally am of the right temperament to be carrying a loaded gun around everywhere. Very few are responsible enough for that IMO.

If I lived in a more dangerous place or I wanted to take up hunting or something I could possibly get another gun. I doubt I ever will.

Rich2018 · Feb 17, 2022

PeacefulWarrior said:
I used to own lots of guns. All sorts, pistols, rifles, shotguns, assault weapons, mini 14.

I also have received military training and a laughable NRA ccw certification course. That no way qualifies a person to be carrying a gun around imo. Thats just me. I was even thinking "Bwahahaha, good lord this is a joke these people shouldn't be carrying guns."

But I just decided that guns are not for me. I don't hunt and there was a school shooting at my high school and I just felt disgusted to be around guns. After really looking at the data, I saw how obscene the USAs numbers are regarding shootings and deaths.

I don't think I personally am of the right temperament to be carrying a loaded gun around everywhere. Very few are responsible enough for that IMO.

If I lived in a more dangerous place or I wanted to take up hunting or something I could possibly get another gun. I doubt I ever will.

If I lived in a place where I genuinely thought I couldn't survive without a gun, I'd move.

PeacefulWarrior · Feb 17, 2022

Rich2018 said:
If I lived in a place where I genuinely thought I couldn't survive without a gun, I'd move.

OK. So would I, if I were able.

Chomsky · Feb 17, 2022

Tlrmln said:
Not a good guy with a gun. Nice try though.

They're all assumed 'good' . . until they're not. And that's a problem, as we can see above.

Unfortunately, these are the side-affects of the 2nd A. There's not much we can do about the situation, as long as we respect the 2nd A. I wish there were.

Chomsky · Feb 17, 2022

bluesmoke said:
The best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. That's never been proved by any stat. The "good Samaritan" is not even in jail. The automatic for LEO to do is to cuff him and take him in and hold his ass for the minimum time allowable. Some dude has a thought in his head he's Clint Eastwood or Charles Bronson, a good guy with a gun.

Yes, that's a problem. With rights, comes responsivities. The shooter needs to pay a price for his negligence.

PeacefulWarrior · Feb 17, 2022

Chomsky said:
There's not much we can do about the situation, as long as we respect the 2nd A.

I am a Second Amendment Puritan.

I believe that guns are best left to a "Well Regulated Militia", which in 2021 would be the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Nattie Guard, various police agencies, etc.

Back in 1700 it might have been every swingin' dick with a pulse, but obviously it isnt 1700 anymore and there are no legit civilian "militias" needed for defense of the nation.

The meaning of the 2nd has been whored out by big money and corporate interests imo. Its way past obscene that its got to this point, where classrooms of children are slaughtered and still everyone just shrugs.

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