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She did. How many more times do you think she could have been hit with bricks before they got there?
If she'd stayed inside, probably she wouldn't have been hit again. :roll:
What circumstances necessitated her going outside to confront these punks with a gun?
I've provided options above. If she felt that she was at risk of imminent harm, she should have called the police. Did she believe that the 12 year old was going to storm her house, for instance? What other types of non-lethal force could she have utilized?
In my department, if sending cops to her house didn't work, police would have gone to the parents' houses and met with them. They might have sent someone like me to meet with the kids and their parents. The children involved were also involved in the juvenile justice system, so there is some recourse available through the court system.
The last thing I would have done, to be frank, was to up the level of escalation by walking back outside, firearm in hand, and confronted the kids.
I actually worked with situations like this in my former job. Chicago PD has a ton of victim resources. I'd probably have asked the officers for a referral to a victim advocate, and worked with that person to potentially file a nuisance suit against the family involved.
I would have worked specifically with these folks: https://portal.chicagopolice.org/po...olved/Hotlines and CPD Contacts/OtherHelpLine
A lot of times, the crime prevention advocates in a large department like Chicago can create a pro-active neighborhood plan to address problems like this, whereas repeatedly calling 911 is just going to result in another patrol officer who isn't familiar with the problem being dispatched to the scene.
It's unlikely. And, if they did, she had a weapon. Instead, she went outside and escalated this situation into a shooting. I would suggest that poor social skills are often a factor in these kinds of situations.
Hyperbole doesn't make your position any stronger. Was she safer INSIDE or OUTSIDE of the house?
We had something like this happen a couple of days ago, in a continuous problem apartment complex.
An 11 year old followed an elderly man (he's 94) to his apartment, he then got his 14 year old buddy and decided to beat the man, almost to death, with rocks and take $25 and a cell phone.
He's still in the hospital and may not make it.
Well he should have called the police, oh wait. :roll:
Aww, they're just kids, we should let it go this time....:doh
There's a big difference between beating and robbing a man and this situation. In all cases, the kids need to be charged and disciplined. In the case of the woman, no one needed to be shot.
"probably". I wouldn't be willing to bet my life on that.
Fear for her life.
Whereas going outside virtually guaranteed that she would be exposed to further violence. And, she wasn't as much at risk of losing her life INSIDE the house as she was when she went OUTSIDE.
That's simply undeniable.
By leaving her home, she escalated the situation to a point that someone being shot became an almost 100% outcome.
As far as the story goes, they were throwing rocks and bricks at the woman and intentionally harassing and damaging her property.
Any reasonable expectation of safety they should of been shown, flew out the window as soon as they started to harm her.
It's entirely deniable. She went outside with a ****ing gun. It was just as easy for them to come inside the house and harm her further, anyway.Whereas going outside virtually guaranteed that she would be exposed to further violence. And, she wasn't as much at risk of losing her life INSIDE the house as she was when she went OUTSIDE.
That's simply undeniable.
By throwing bricks at her, they escalated the situation to a life and death one. By refusing to leave when she brandished her weapon and told them to, they escalated the situation to a life and death one. They had many choices. And I bet that next time they think twice before ****ing with her since they know that she'll ****ing defend herself with deadly force instead of sitting around like a pansy ass waiting for someone else to come and take care of things.By leaving her home, she escalated the situation to a point that someone being shot became an almost 100% outcome.
No. She went outside. She put herself back in harm's way after calling the police and not waiting for them.
I measure a couple of things before I decide if force has become necessary.
Repeated abuse, previous contact with the police, degree of harassment and bodily harm.
I know when I was a kid, even though I was a destructive somewhat evil little bastard, that any confrontation with the police would have scared the **** out of me.
Obviously, these kids did not have that fear.
I think she was well within her right to do something, instead of wait.
Who knows how long it could of taken, she did say that they attempted to kick in the door or kick the door.
"Many police functions can now be accomplished by calling 311.
Filing a police report after a crime has occurred and the offender is gone:
If you wake up in the morning and realize that your bicycle is missing from your garage, call 311.
If your neighbor leaves the dog in the yard all night, barking at squirrels, call 311.
If you come out of the grocery store and realize the cell phone you left on the seat of your car is gone, call 311.
If you hear your car alarm in the middle of the night and realize someone has tried to steal or break into your car, call 311."
Talking directly to police officers in your district:
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This partnership is designed to help address potential crime and disorder problems before they escalate, improving the quality of life for all residents of the City.
While the police and community hold regular beat meetings, there may be issues or activities that you and your neighbors need to talk directly to your district about between meetings. You can use 311 to accomplish this.
If they came through the door, I would have no problem with her killing one of them instead of just wounding them. However, as long as her life was not in immediate danger, she should have waited for the police.
there is no hyperbole here and I am the first to admit when I indulge in it.
If they came through the door, I would have no problem with her killing one of them instead of just wounding them. However, as long as her life was not in immediate danger, she should have waited for the police.
That's the problem, it's sometimes hard to understand when your life is in danger, from a story.
I've had people try to intimidate me with guns before, I could have responded with a gunfire but it made no sense.
They were merely trying to intimidate me but not hurt me.
These kids crossed the line to actual bodily harm and repeated abuse, even after a confrontation with the authorities.
Bring the authorities back out. Don't call the cops, then get your 9 and go back out cappin' kids before the cops ever get there. That's ghetto.
I really find this very sad. She should be trapped in her own home, while her property is being destroyed? Seriously??
So, calling 12 year olds "savages" isn't hyperbole? You so funny, Rev.
So, calling 12 year olds "savages" isn't hyperbole? You so funny, Rev.
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