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Im not denying its existance, yet this doesnt mean I agree with it.
kal-el said:Huh? Did you read the same quote I did? He works out everything, even the wicked for a day of disaster. So, this "god" fellow is sadistic since he created sinners to punish them, and if he did that, it's for his amusement.
Again, imagine that, A Christian who is ignorant on their very own theology.:lol:
i believe in tranquility said:Im not denying its existance, yet this doesnt mean I agree with it.
George_Washington said:No, it wasn't about that but let's look at the other quotes you listed first.
Hmmm...this coming from somebody who preaches from a version of the Bible that is pragmatic in its very nature.
1.) "I form the light and create darkness; I bring prosperity and create disaster, I, the lord, do all these things."-Isaiah 45:7
A more accurate translation of that quote would be:
"I form the light, and create the darkness, I make well-being and create woe; I, the Lord, do all these things."
Isaiah is one of the prophetic books and is apocalyptic in nature.
Like Lamentations, there are hints of sadness from the Jewish people and explanations of why people suffer. According to Hebrew and Christian scholars, a commonly agreed interpretation of this passage would be that God permits evil for the greater good, meaning that God allows us to have hardships so that we can grow and become stronger.
2.) Then the lord said to him, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the lord."
A more accurate translation would be:
"The Lord said to him, "Who gives one man speech and makes another deaf and dumb? Or who gives sight to one and makes another blind? Is it not I, the Lord?"
In the context of the chapter, God was trying to give Moses courage. The idea that God is trying to say that he is actually responsible for physical deforments is highly subjective because this passage wasn't meant to be taken in that context.
i believe in tranquility said:lol..again...Jesus did not own slaves. So I wont either.
kal-el said:You should be the one to talk about logic. Logic tells me he's just a figment in people's imaginations. Man created the notion of god.
Huh? Did you read the same quote I did? He works out everything, even the wicked for a day of disaster. So, this "god" fellow is sadistic since he created sinners to punish them, and if he did that, it's for his amusement.
Again, imagine that, A Christian who is ignorant on their very own theology.:lol:
And this fellow has the gaul to deny handicapped people from approaching him, when he made them that way. What a douchebag.:lol:
kal-el said:Haha, ok. It's all good as long as you recognize that Jesus condoned slaves and slave beating.
oracle25 said:Logic tells you this,huh? Than tell me, what are the three laws of logic, and how do you apply them to this train of thought?
God did not "create" sinners
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth.
He created a perfect world which we chose to destroy.
First off, when did he deny them?
Leveticus 21:16-22
The lord said to Moses, "Say to Aaron, For the generations to come none of your desendants who has a defect may come near to offer food to his god. No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed, no man with a crippled foot or hand, or who is hunch-backed or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festered or running sores or damaged testicles. No decendant of Aaron the preist who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the lord by fire. He has a defect, he must not come near to offer his food to god.
y, you seem to imply that handicap people are useless, God has a will for them too.
He condoned slaves being obedient to there masters,
He did not condone owning slaves.
kal-el said:Are you saying the NIV is false?
George_Washington said:In a lot of ways, it's a poor translation.
Some people it's better than the King James version which might be true. But there are certainly versus that people have said to be far from what was originally intended in their meanings in the original Hebrew and Greek languages.
I think the New American Bible is the best translation currently available and is definitely one of the most fresh.
It was a project that was started by the Catholic Church in the early 1940's and really wasn't completed until the early 90's. Catholic and Jewish scholars worked closely together to provide the most accurate translations and also to provide very indepth footnotes and worthy scholarship sidenotes. Each page has detailed analysis that is the work of many academic scholars over many years. It is by far a translation that is the most highly regarded among academics and archeologists. You should look into it. I am not aware of any Bible that has as extensive footnotes as the NAB has. The amount of extra material the NIV provides is lame in comparison.
O, I see, I took it out of context again. Please just admit the bible is not perfect, then we'll be done with it. BTW, how do you explain Exodus 2:11-12?
Well, maybe Moses was entirely justified in what he did but think about dude. If your family was in chains by people and one of those people was beating the crap out of your mother, wouldn't you try to defend her?
kal-el said:Haha, back for another beating I see.:lol:
Well good old George's question sounded alot like an appeal to belief to me.
Uhh, did you actually read the bible?
I must have missed this part in the bible.
It is not me that implies that, try your sky thug.
He seems quite intolerable of them. That's asinine considering he made them that way.:lol:
oracle25 said::lol: you dilution amuses me :rofl
Haha, that's funny.
Please answer the original question or admit defeat.
Much more than you apparently.
Almost everything.
Umm, no, nope, that's definitely you.
Exodus 4:11
The lord said to him, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the lord?"
deffects are a result of sin, not God.
God created perfection, we chose to destroy it.
You miss the whole point of leviticus 21:16-22; the levites were God's appointed priests, so those who have a genetic defect of sin could not be one of them.