BodiSatva said:
JustineCredible
Who said anything about being "bothered"? I am not bothered by gays in any way shape or form.
It's quite obvious that gays bother you or you would never have posted your initial objection to Gay Pride Parades and/or the initial posters comments. Something bothers you indeed or you would simply have said "Good for you" and let it be. But insted you showed your having been bothered by it.
BodiSatva said:
Who said that I wanted to deny any human being rights in any way shape or form?
No one is accusing you of such, it was simply a question. So many opose gays having equal access to rights that it was a valid question in my opinion.
BodiSatva said:
I know a gay minister...he is cool. I know many, many gay people. I have had gay people dressed in drag sit on my lap and frolic about during an open gay/hetero discussion group....trying to embarrass me...the whole thing was educational and fun...goodie for me and for you upon hearing this.
Just because you know a gay minister, this does not answer my question. I know many gays and lesbians, some happen to be ministers. I don't go to their churches because I don't classify myself as a typical "Christian" so their ministering to me would be pointless. But your answer does not satisfy my question at all.
BodiSatva said:
I would never allow a gay person to save me from a burning building.
Wow, really? Why? That's really sad.
BodiSatva said:
Being proud and advertising sexuality are two separate things.
How? Is it because you are unable to seperate someone being gay from who they sleep with and what they do in bed? Does their declairing their sexuality send your mind somewhere we need not discuss here?
People have St. Patrick's Day parades and many others who are neither Catholic or Irish go to celebrate...why? Because it's a big ol' party and it's fun, right? Mardi Gras parades and parties are held and attended by many who are neighther Catholic nor Christian...why? Because they're big ol'parties meant to be celebrated, right?
So are Gay Pride Parades.
Get over your fear of your own sexuality, gay or straight, and have a Party! Celebrate the Diversity that makes our nation so interesting.
Support, actively, the plight of other gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendereds to enjoy the same access to rights straights have and take for granted.
BodiSatva said:
If you re-read what I said, I simply said that I do not understand, “why gays need to shout out that they are gay” as happens during ‘gay pride” parades and such…
Because it's fun, it's a way to celebrated our unity as a community which is equally discriminated against in law and treatment of us simply because of who and how we love.
It does help to draw attention to our quest to gain fair treatment and equal access to laws, priveledges and benefits we are routinely and legislatively denied simply for who and how we love.
BodiSatva said:
This is a simple question. It does not require psychological analysis on me…
It requires a gay person to say why that person ever feels the need to tell me that they are gay…and in doing so allude to certain sexual facts that matter not at all…
It is you who is "alluding" we are simply stating a fact which because of this fact we are treated as second class citizens. We are denied rights, access to rights, employment and housing because of this fact.
Yes, there is more to it than being prideful, there is the identification that because of who we are, because of who we love, because of how we love we are denied equal accesses.
BodiSatva said:
In saying that I am married…you know that I have a partner.
I know married gay couples…am I one?
I have kids…two, does this mean that I am hetero?
I don’t say that I am hetero even if I am…why?
It matters not, at least not initially in the context of introductions.
Stating you are "married" does SUGGEST that you are other than gay/lesbian, that you are afforded a certain number of rights and priveledges gays and lesbians are not.
I never assumed you were one nor the other, but you have to admit that until legal marriage rights are gained and all the rights, priveledges and protections that come with that, someone stating they are "married" does infer that person is probably straight.
Are you intentionally attempting to hide who you are? Are you ashamed of who you love?
Does it bother you that Pride parades give a voice and exposure to the gay community? Does that freighten you?
BodiSatva said:
Why did you say that you are a lesbian? WHO CARES! Nobody but other gays and lesbians.
That statement of yours shows me how little concern you have towards the denial of rights to gays. It says a lot about your being bothered a great deal.
BodiSatva said:
Even though my neighbor is a lesbian and I know many gays and lesbians, they never initially told me…not until we knew each other a bit.
Why is that? Do you really believe it's because they think it's not a big deal or is it more likely they don't know what your reaction would be until you got to know them as a person before you knew their sexuality?
BodiSatva said:
Why in the initial post here did he inform us that he is gay...that is strange behavior IMO. I have no idea as to various people's races here on this forum...why? Because it does not matter initially.
No, because racial descrimination is illegal while descrimination based on sexuality IS legal.
BodiSatva said:
What is with gays/lesbians that they feel a need to advertise?
Because we are the ONLY group without set limits on descrimination against us simply because of whom we love.
BodiSatva said:
What makes them feel that their plight is the same in any way as others?
Because we suffer due to the descrimination, our children and partners suffer because of the descrimination.
Our livelihoods are jeopardized because of the legal descrimination. Our homes are jeopardized, our ability to raise our children is jeopardized, our ability to care for our partners in their time of need or in our latter years is jeopardized...all because of legal descrimination against us because of WHO WE LOVE!
BodiSatva said:
These are just questions....don't start with Bodi this or that...if a person has an answer....supply it.
I am.
BodiSatva said:
Why do gays march in parades and shout out in drag who they like to ****?
Well I don't know what word was censored in that sentance, but I'm sure I can assume.
So, tell me, why at Mardi Gras parades are young women asked to "Show me your bo0bies!" to get some cheep plastic beads? Especially since Mardi Gras is originally a CHRISTIAN celebration before lent!
How UN-CHRISITIANlike of anyone to sexualize such a day....but no one protests New Orleans for this. No, insted more and more people are drawn to this ritualistic hedonism each year.
Does it bother me? Nope, not in the slightest...party on of that's what makes you happy.
So, do the same for Gay Pride Parades, at least we KNOW what we're marching for!
BodiSatva said:
Persecution? Awareness? That is ridiculous. There is more to it than that…what is it?
What are you suggesting? What is it you want to hear? Obviously my answers aren't enough for you. So, tell us, what exactly are
YOU ALLUDING To?
