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God is Not Great

Cordelier said:
That's fine. You don't have to believe unicorns exist. But isn't it ignorant to say that it's not possible unicorns exist?
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Not necessarily. It all depends on your definition of unicorn doesn't it?
If a unicorn is defined as an imaginary, magical horse-like creature with one horn, it's by definition imaginary. It *cannot* exist.

So the claim:
An impossible creature may "possibly" exist
Is a contradiction, it's false.

Not ignorant at all is it?

You'll have to use the tools of reason sometimes to ferret out whether or not someone's definition is imaginary or not. Ultimately any true claims about reality itself, rely ultimately on evidence/observation of reality. So for us to claim something is "possible" in reality, it relies on this something, being consistent with the fundamentals of reality as we know it.

If someone just means a horse-like creature with one horn, then yes, it's still entirely consistent with known science, for there to be a horse, that is mutated or has been modified, to also have a natural horn on its head (like other creatures we know exist in reality, following natural laws without the need for any new, made-up laws)

But then you have no evidence of that particular thing, have to accept both of these:
It's possible a unicorn exists
It's possible a unicorn does not exist
Which looks a lot like "You don't know".

And that's the debate of strong atheism, vs agnosticism, vs fallacious thinking (or more often, theism).

Strong atheism acknowledges that the definition of god is a logical and/or reasoned impossibility, and is therefore false.
Weak atheists or agnostics ultimately claim they do not know, or they may make an error in reasoning and be talking/writing in error.
And the theist who claims that yes, this imaginary concept is real, which is believing false things are true.
 
Galactic Spin said:
Because such resurrection is not possible. We know this for a fact. Just as surely as we know the earth is round.
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You are deflecting my question.

Do you believe it is impossible that if such an event occurred, there were witnesses who would never lie about what they saw?

Yes or no.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
Do you believe it is impossible that if such an event occurred, there were witnesses?
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Of course it's possible someone will claim to have witnessed resurrection. This is not an extraordinary claim (to say smeonewould make this clam). Humans are prone to lying, to hallucination, to false memories, and to being fooled.
 
Galactic Spin said:
Of course it's possible someone will claim to have witnessed resurrection. This is not an extraordinary claim (to say smeonewould make this clam). Humans are prone to lying, to hallucination, to false memories, and to being fooled.
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I don't mean claim to have witnessed it. I am specifically asking if you think it is impossible for there to be witnesses who told the truth. You are deflecting again.
 
An arrowhead is an arrowhead, of course you can learn about the culture that made it.

What is your point?
 
Galactic Spin said:
Hahaha

Oookay

Then Mohammed clearly rode a horse to heaven.
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You are just trying to deflect, deflect, deflect, for the sole purpose of denying the fact that Jesus could have risen from the dead. Whether he did or not you have no reason to assume just because people lie the witnesses would have lied or that there had been no witnesses who told the truth.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
I don't mean claim to have witnessed it.
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Then you are just making things up. All you know is that it is claimed that someone witnessed a resurrection. I rherefore don't have to address these fantasies and circular nonsense.

"If it's true, then..."
 
Patriotic Voter said:
You are just trying to deflect, deflect, deflect, for the sole purpose of denying the fact that Jesus could have risen from the dead
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Utter nonsense. I used your own illogic against you to show the absurdity of it.

By your illogic, Mohammed definitely rode a horse to heaven.

This is your problem, not mine.

Last night a bunch of people swear they saw David Copperfield cut an elephant in half.
 
Galactic Spin said:
Then you are just making things up. All you know is that it is claimed that someone witnessed a resurrection. I rherefore don't have to address these fantasies and circular nonsense.

"If it's true, then..."
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I am not making up anything. You just want to believe I did.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
I am not making up anything. You just want to believe I did.
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You are. All you know is that it is claimed some people witnessed a resurrection.

That's it. Anything beyond that which you assert is made up. And you won't get away with it.
 

Muhammed was a mortal human and is dead.

If you can believe he literally rode a horse to heaven, you can also believe Jesus came back to life and ascended to heaven.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
Buddha never came back to life. That is why they worship a corpse.

If you want to call Jesus coming back to life a lie, don't accuse me of making it up. I learned over 1,000 years after it happened.
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At least Buddhists are being honest. Christians like to claim a corpse did co e back to life but cannot produce any evidence to support the claim.
 
Galactic Spin said:
You are. All you know is that it is claimed some people witnessed a resurrection.

That's it. Anything beyond that which you assert is made up. And you won't get away with it.
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You only want to believe I made something up to deny, deny, deny. When will you actually start thinking about trying to learn about the differences between Jesus and Muhammed?
 
Patriotic Voter said:
Muhammed was a mortal human and is dead.
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Patriotic Voter said:
If you can believe he literally rode a horse to heaven, you can also believe Jesus came back to life and ascended to heaven.
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If you can believe a man literally came back from the dead, you can believe Mohammed rose a horse to heaven.

Right?

Sooner or later you are going to come to terms with the fact that religion has handicapped your faculties of reason. That you have a special, irrational standard for your preferred mythology.

Hopefully these egregious errors by you that I am pointing out will help you get there.
 
Gordy327 said:
At least Buddhists are being honest. Christians like to claim a corpse did co e back to life but cannot produce any evidence to support the claim.
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Christians say a corpse came back to life for one reason: he actually did. There is archaeological evidence of the events in Jerusalem. Also, the Bible proves itself.

People like you are just unwilling to learn.
 
You're making a Strawman argument. Nobody is saying God does not exist as fact. Only that there is no evidence of God's existence.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
Christians say a corpse came back to life for one reason: he actually did. They have evidence too. It is called the Bible.
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That's not evidence. That's circular reasoning.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
You only want to believe I made something up to deny, deny, deny
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False.

You only know that it is claimed that some witnesses claimed to have witnessed a resurrection.

You don't know that they did. You don't know that they even existed. You lie to say otherwise.

But you didn't think of that before you started this rant. And now you have stepped in it.
 

I do know what happened. It is not just a claim, but a true story. You want to believe there is no way it could have been a true story without trying to learn anything.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
I do know what happened. It is not just a claim, but a true story.
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So all of that time wasting trolling about witnesses and asking why resurrection is not possible... gee thanks for that. And all I get in the end is this steaming turd of circularity? No fair.
 
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