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"God Bless The Homeless Vets" -- initial encounter and police misconduct investigation

Drowning Man

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Interesting look at the encounter and subsequent investigation.
 
This cop got pretty emotional after talking to a veteran.

What a decent human being and a credit to the the profession.

 
Other officer at the scene, investigated


Supervisor called that night, interviewed.


Officer being questioned again with what I believe to be his union rep.


Last video you get some good spin from the union rep. The officers were "baited". Yeah... Mr. Gray "baited" the officers into enforcing non-existent laws and illegally detaining and disarming him...by...peacefully holding up a sign saying, "God Bless the Homeless Vets". Cop logic is truly astounding, some times.
 
Just so everyone knows. Most homeless vets aren't really veterans. They lie about it to get sympathy. If you are a homeless vet in the US, there are programs from the VA that will get you a place to live.
 
gino said:
Just so everyone knows. Most homeless vets aren't really veterans. They lie about it to get sympathy. If you are a homeless vet in the US, there are programs from the VA that will get you a place to live.
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Not really sure where you're getting this from. Do you have any data to back up these claims?

The number of veterans experiencing homelessness rose slightly even before the coronavirus pandemic

Of every 10,000 veterans in America as of January 2020, roughly 21 were living on the streets.
www.militarytimes.com

The number of veterans experiencing homelessness increased in 2020 even before the effects of the coronavirus pandemic damaged employment prospects and financial resources for the community, according to a new report released by the Department of Housing and Urban Development on Thursday.

The increase is a concerning backslide from improvements in the last decade, since then President Barack Obama announced a federal effort to address the issue.

From 2010 to 2019, the number of veterans without stable housing decreased by more than 50 percent. However, the figure increased slightly in 2020, rising to 37,252 in HUD’s annual point-in-time estimate, up by a few hundred individuals.

The totals mean that of every 10,000 veterans in the United States, 21 were experiencing homelessness at the start of last year. Veterans make up about 6 percent of the population of the United States but 8 percent of the country’s homeless population.

The estimate released Thursday is based on surveys conducted in January 2020, about two months before business closures and other financial impacts of the coronavirus pandemic began.

In a statement, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Marcia Fudge called the results “very troubling, even before you consider what COVID-19 has done to make the homelessness crisis worse.”​
 
I work with people who are sometimes homeless. I've been told by our VA Hospital here in town to send any homeless vets to them and they will help out. Every time I have done so, they have gotten help. You have to remember something when dealing with the homeless. Many people who are homeless are homeless by choice. They could live in half-way houses, but do not wish to have someone dictate to them "how to live". For instance, many shelters will give drug tests, and many homeless can't pass them. My question is, are these true homeless vets people who refuse to follow the rules? I've sat down and spoken to the people in my community who deal with the homeless. They are usually very frustrated by the lack of willingness to "straighten up" enough to stop being homeless.
 

So, what are you saying? Are you claiming that 8% of the homeless population aren't vets, as the article I posted above from the Military Times, is wrong?

Are you saying that there may be homeless vets out there, but if they are, it's their own fault?

I mean, your anecdotes really don't prove anything at all...but I'm just interested in what you're actually trying to claim, here.
 
I'm saying that the article paints an inaccurate picture of the homeless problem. People try to make the homeless situation in the US as a lack of resources for the homeless. This is not always the case. It is much more complicated than that. Just adding money for homeless shelters is not the answer. Anyone trying to help the homeless has to realize that a large part of the homeless problem stems from these people's lack of willingness to work a steady job or to keep off drugs. Until these problems are addressed, the homeless problem will not get better.

I work with the homeless every day. I wish the answer was as simple as finding them places to live. Without some type of requirement for the homeless to keep a job and keep sober, homeless shelters become unworkable situations.
 

That's nice. Of course, it has absolutely nothing to do with the number of homeless vets out there...nor the original topic. But, that's nice.
 
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