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Actually according to NOAA (National Oceanic Association America) the globe's temperature has risen .05 degrees since 1890-2006? That's not exactly hot?GarzaUK said:Is our planet warming. Definitely. The hottest five years in UK history has happened in the last ten years. In 2002 a whole antartic shelf the size of a small country dropped into the ocean. The proof goes one. Weather over here is changing. The majority of our rain now comes in the summer instead of the winter. We're being told to save water over here and it's Feburary for cryingout loud.
Plus the Atlantic axis has tilted slighty somehow. Meaning in the summer Spain and Portugal get severe droughts in the summer and France, Germany and Austria get flooded. The Swiss Alp glaciers have melted to an all time low.
I figured that before I post anything, I'd look things up. Seems that while the scientific community agrees that Earth's mean temperatures have risen in the last 100 years at least, why is not unanimous. Some links I found:GarzaUK said:Is our planet warming. Definitely. The hottest five years in UK history has happened in the last ten years. In 2002 a whole antartic shelf the size of a small country dropped into the ocean. The proof goes one. Weather over here is changing. The majority of our rain now comes in the summer instead of the winter. We're being told to save water over here and it's Feburary for cryingout loud.
Plus the Atlantic axis has tilted slighty somehow. Meaning in the summer Spain and Portugal get severe droughts in the summer and France, Germany and Austria get flooded. The Swiss Alp glaciers have melted to an all time low.
I recently read an interesting article concerning the ice fields at both polar regions. Initially scientists had believed the ice was only diminishing at the southern pole, but now have evidence it is occurring about evenly for the northern one. This was due to warmer ocean currents penetrating/undermining beneath the ocean ice. Suggesting that the phenomenon is atmosherical (man) as well as universal. It could be our sun is getting hotter by means of expansion (closer), which is reason enough for NASA to initiate a planned series of launches/missions to begin studying the sun and its relevance there about.tecoyah said:Virtualy everyone now understands it is a real occurance, not that they care, but at least they recognize it.
tecoyah said:Virtualy everyone now understands it is a real occurance, not that they care, but at least they recognize it.
Stinger said:"Science magazine (Dec. 10, 1976) warned of
"extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation."
Science Digest (February 1973) reported that "the
world's climatologists are agreed" that we must
"prepare for the next ice age." The Christian
Science Monitor ("Warning: Earth's Climate is
Changing Faster Than Even Experts Expect," Aug.
27, 1974) reported that glaciers "have begun to
advance," "growing seasons in England and
Scandinavia are getting shorter" and "the North
Atlantic is cooling down about as fast as an ocean
can cool." Newsweek agreed ("The Cooling World,"
April 28, 1975) that meteorologists "are almost
unanimous" that catastrophic famines might result
from the global cooling that the New York Times
(Sept. 14, 1975) said "may mark the return to
another ice age." The Times (May 21, 1975) also
said "a major cooling of the climate is widely
considered inevitable" now that it is "well
established" that the Northern Hemisphere's
climate "has been getting cooler since about
1950."
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/will1.asp
What happened and why, if we assume we are warming now, did the trend change if it even is a change?
I suggest you also read these two:Apostle13 said:I recently read an interesting article concerning the ice fields at both polar regions. Initially scientists had believed the ice was only diminishing at the southern pole, but now have evidence it is occurring about evenly for the northern one. This was due to warmer ocean currents penetrating/undermining beneath the ocean ice. Suggesting that the phenomenon is atmosherical (man) as well as universal. It could be our sun is getting hotter by means of expansion (closer), which is reason enough for NASA to initiate a planned series of launches/missions to begin studying the sun and its relevance there about.
jfuh said:Your source is completely obsolete and pointless with regards to this matter. A very lame attempt to discredit the actual science and facts of current studies. Not indifferent to what the oil companies are doing.
Perhaps you would like to look up what it means to be obsolete.Stinger said:Obsolete, ALL those scientist ALL those sources cite are obsolete? The articles all stated it was undeniable. They were looking at the evidence, much of it the same we are looking at now, and it was clear we were in a cooling trend. Well those measurements haven't changed. So what happened?
jfuh said:Perhaps you would like to look up what it means to be obsolete.
I didn't say they were wrong, I said they were obsolete. Irrelevant with regards to current issues.
Perhaps you read the articles I gave you? Seems like you didn't.
Also let me point out the contrast between sources that you've cited: an opinion article written by a non-scientist on the website jewishworldreview.com, vs what I've cited: Nature.
Stinger said:And the states made then were made with just as much confidence as the ones now.?
Simple, it's the year 2006 now. Those articles are essentially a quarter century old. And irrelevant to the situation today. See reason followed below.Stinger said:Nope but you can explain what makes those scientist obsolete and the same data obsolete.
I know what you said, but your simple declaration doesn't pass as a reasoned explaination.
Ironically, the Clean air act signed into law by Nixon.Stinger said:That's just one place it was posted and it was the opinion of a non-scientist, it was the writings of a political writer cited the stated FINDINGS of some of the very same scientist and publications crying global warming now. And the states made then were made with just as much confidence as the ones now.
From the NewsWeek article from 1975
"The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually."..........................
"A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968. According to George Kukla of Columbia University, satellite photos indicated a sudden, large increase in Northern Hemisphere snow cover in the winter of 1971-72. And a study released last month by two NOAA scientists notes that the amount of sunshine reaching the ground in the continental U.S. diminished by 1.3% between 1964 and 1972."
Hmmm weren't greenhouse gases increasing during those times?
They were looking at the same data then that is used now for those periods, that data hasn't changed.
From the 1974 National Science Board
"During the last 20 to 30 years, world temperature has fallen, irregularly at first but more sharply over the last decade.""Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end . . . leading into the next glacial age." And in 1975 the National Academy of Sciences stated: "The climates of the earth have always been changing, and they will doubtless continue to do so in the future. How large these future changes will be, and where and how rapidly they will occur, we do not know."
http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/july_2003/climate.htm
So what has changed?
jfuh said:Simple, it's the year 2006 now.
Those articles are essentially a quarter century old. And irrelevant to the situation today. See reason followed below.
So you ask what has changed? Ironically, the air is cleaner. Thus the true effects global warming are showing.
Yes, and in 25 years the global warming zealots will be declared obsolete... and laughed at.jfuh said:Your source is completely obsolete and pointless with regards to this matter.
So you deny that global warming is not happening? You deny that global warming is not attributed by the greenhouse gas carbon Dioxide?Gill said:Yes, and in 25 years the global warming zealots will be declared obsolete... and laughed at.
Gill said:Yes, and in 25 years the global warming zealots will be declared obsolete... and laughed at.
Now you are very dishonestly misrepresenting my statment, I said nothing of the sort. I said your reference was of obsolete data. The new facts proove that while global dimming had indeeed occurred, but because of the clean air act, it's no longer occuring and dimminishing. Thus we're now expereincing the full effects of global warming.Stinger said:So the mere fact that the number of the year can reverse Global Cooling and an impending Ice Age. Well that is quite amazing. What if next year we call it 1975 again then we can reverse any Global Warming that is occouring.
I find it interesting that you edited out the remainder of my post.Stinger said:Only if the data from the years prior to 1975 that these articles cite has changed. I see no evidence that it has.
I read you're obsolete article, and I've presented a new article. Now are you going to debate each word for word with me on this issue or are you going to open your eyes and read the facts which I've posted.Stinger said:IOW another guess, IOW we have no idea. Read the article cites again. The scientist were "convinced", is wasn't debatable. And we really have no new data to deal with.
Well what would've happened stinger? If I recall correctly, according to you humans can not effect climate.Stinger said:Exactly. I remember those days well when the fear was a "mini-ice age". The fact is we are still coming out of the last one. If you read the article from then they were plotting ways and even wanted to try some that would cause the world to warm up. Imagine if we had listened to them and done them and THEY WORKED.
jfuh said:Now you are very dishonestly misrepresenting my statment, I said nothing of the sort.
I said your reference was of obsolete data.
The new facts proove that while global dimming had indeeed occurred, but because of the clean air act, it's no longer occuring and dimminishing. Thus we're now expereincing the full effects of global warming.
I find it interesting that you edited out the remainder of my post.
I read you're obsolete article, and I've presented a new article.
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