Glenn Beck is amazing

[Hicup]

THINK FOR YOURSELF AMERICA!!!

Amen brother!


Tim-

 

[The Giant Noodle]

Amen brother!


Tim-

you forgot to give me a "thanks" :roll: :lol:

 

[Hicup]

Thanks!

Tim-

 

[Hicup]

Oh I see what you mean now.. Sorry!

Tim-

 

[rockshock28]

Glenn Beck is a brilliant idiot. He has no idea what he's talking about, and is extremely paranoid. But, he's managed to get a massive fan base, of people who are afraid, but don't know why. He justifies people's fears, by proclaiming that government is evil, and Obama is part of a conspiracy to destroy America. They feel good, like someone is on their side, and understands them. They believe he is the one person who can save them from the scary government. It's really a great idea. It makes me wonder sometimes if he really believes what he says, or just wants to keep his paranoid fanbase.

 

[BDBoop]

Maybe an idiot savant?

Glenn Beck is a brilliant idiot.

 

[rockshock28]

Maybe an idiot savant?

That works too.

 

[Hoplite]

And.. Your "human race" resume includes what exactly?

Everyone but the mole people. **** those guys!

But, you've already admitted that you don't watch Glenn Beck often, if at all. Hmm.. Logic dictates that it is you that MUST accept the notion that your opinion/notion is predictably unfounded. It is unfounded because it is incomplete, and therefore inadequately premised. If you can't claim your premise to be accurate, how can your conclusion be so? You've set your bait, but only an undisciplined mind would take it without challenging you on your entire claim. Would you agree that, because you don't watch his show often that your premise is lacking important key data? If so, which I suspect you might, then it is you that is the one making absurd claims, not Beck.

What would you consider an adequate rate of consumption?

I do agree that I dont watch the show often and I'm often rolling my eyes when I do, however it's no exaggeration for me to say that every single time I see the same sort of behavior and faulty logic.

If there's examples that I'm missing, please feel free to share them with me. My opinions are not set in stone.

Really? How do you know this? Is this an unfounded claim purported by you? My God..

Look at our basic political climate. Many people on any side of the political spectrum want our leaders to make the best choices. Yet everyone seems to have answers that their leaders aren't paying attention to.

Further examination of a great swath of these solutions people offer demonstrate them to be unworkable or faulty because they miss key points of how 'effing complex politics can be. People want a black and white set up and they dont like hearing that there are shades of grey.

Hehe.. Now read that again, and self analyze.. Wow????

It's a pattern I notice among Beck fans; they're very quick to try to pick out someone's political affiliation then make that a focus of the argument by attaching a value judgement to the particular label they've stuck you with, "You're a liberal so you dont know what you're talking about." Barring that, they claim that you just dont "get it" and need to be educated. That is demagoguing.

But that's not true.. He does educate some. It's also a damn site more than any college of university is currently doing, that's including any ivy league law school. Ok, well I don't know that for sure, but it seems to follow

Except he DOESN'T educate people. He disseminates information that supports his conclusions and ignores everything else. That is propaganda, not education.

Show me a clip of his show where he's "educating" people.

Obama was educated in constitutional law, yet he seems embarrassingly lost when confronted with the demand for an opinion.. Peculiar?

I'd like to see an example of what you mean.

 

[Hicup]

If there's examples that I'm missing, please feel free to share them with me. My opinions are not set in stone

Could have fooled me.. But alright, I accept your claim on its face. I don't wish to make you love Beck, really I couldn't care less, so I hope you'll excuse me for not bothering to change your mind?

Further examination of a great swath of these solutions people offer demonstrate them to be unworkable or faulty because they miss key points of how 'effing complex politics can be. People want a black and white set up and they dont like hearing that there are shades of grey

By shades of grey you really mean a political compromise. That's not exactly uplifting to most people on either side of the aisle. We tend to deal with it, but it doesn't present a case for the efficacy of political shades of grey..

It's a pattern I notice among Beck fans; they're very quick to try to pick out someone's political affiliation then make that a focus of the argument by attaching a value judgement to the particular label they've stuck you with, "You're a liberal so you dont know what you're talking about." Barring that, they claim that you just dont "get it" and need to be educated. That is demagoguing.

But that untrue! I never made any assumptions about you, nor do I suspect you can prove your claim about Beck fans?

Show me a clip of his show where he's "educating" people.

I have no desire too, however, I could, and YOU know it. So why offer the challenge?

I'd like to see an example of what you mean.

Now you're challenging me. (Hey CC are you paying attention on what a "challenge" is)

Ok, it's late here so not tonight/morning, how about later?


Tim-

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Now you're challenging me. (Hey CC are you paying attention on what a "challenge" is)

Moderator's Warning:

Calling out posters like this is considered baiting. Please do not do this.

 

[Hicup]

Well are you a poster or a moderator? Shouldn't you be recusing yourself? LOL

Tim-

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Well are you a poster or a moderator? Shouldn't you be recusing yourself? LOL

Tim-

Moderator's Warning:

Commenting on moderator action publicly is a 6A violation that earns significant consequences. This will be your one warning on this matter. PLEASE read the rules.

 

[Hoplite]

Could have fooled me.. But alright, I accept your claim on its face. I don't wish to make you love Beck, really I couldn't care less, so I hope you'll excuse me for not bothering to change your mind?

Im not asking you to change my mind, Im asking you to back up what you're claiming

By shades of grey you really mean a political compromise. That's not exactly uplifting to most people on either side of the aisle. We tend to deal with it, but it doesn't present a case for the efficacy of political shades of grey..

Politics IS compromise.

But that untrue!

Is it? Read through the thread, there are plenty of examples.

I have no desire too, however, I could, and YOU know it. So why offer the challenge?

Because I'm in the habit of calling bluffs.

If you can provide them, then why not do so?

Now you're challenging me.

I am asking you to provide examples for what you said

Ok, it's late here so not tonight/morning, how about later?

Take your time

 

[Hicup]

Hoplite -

Show me a clip of his show where he's "educating" people.

Me -

I have no desire too, however, I could, and YOU know it. So why offer the challenge?

Hoplite -

If you can provide them, then why not do so?

Glenn Beck- Founders' Friday: Benjamin Franklin
Whitefield
Black Founders
Madison
Council of Founding Fathers
Revisionism

Now, not to mention myself learning a thing or two (which really is the only thing I could offer as "proof" that Glenn educates); judging by the audience, and their reactions, I imagine a few of them were educated as well? Not to mention that, in all the audiences I've seen on his show, not a single person looks like a hillbilly? Well, I admit that I'm picturing what a hillbilly might be from my experiences, but still, no one seems to appear hillbilly-ish..

Tim-

 

[Deuce]

They wouldn't put hillbillies in the audience to be seen on television. Those people are at home watching.

 

[Hicup]

Provided they have welfare money left over from their drug, alcohol, and NASCAR tickets, right?


Tim-

 

[Jetboogieman]

Provided they have welfare money left over from their drug, alcohol, and NASCAR tickets, right?


Tim-

:rofl:

That made my day.

 

[Hicup]

Hehehe..

Tim-

 

[Hoplite]

See? Was that so hard?

Glenn Beck- Founders' Friday: Benjamin Franklin

Alrighty then, Beck is talking about history, he's on MY turf now.

First off, Beck appears to be trying to draw a comparison between our current situation and Franklin's quote. However he fails to make any sort of provision that Ben Franklin came from a radically different time and mindset than our own and as such it's utterly pointless to try to apply his point of view to our own modern day.

His anti-Wilson tirade (which he seem to do anomalously frequently) again lacks any sort of context that Wilson was not unique in his point of view at the time and that such ideas were generally accepted by most people. We recognize today that these are ill-founded sentiments, however judging ages past by our own moral structure is world-class stupid and something that the historical community strives to avoid as a sign of someone not interested in learning about history but rather employing it as a tool.

Beck also doesnt mention that Franklin had a personal life that was FAR contradictory to his public life. He was allegedly a member of the Hellfire Club, a club for men to basically get drunk and pick up chicks. He also came back from France with not one but TWO 14 year old (IIRC) French mistresses. He even wrote an essay on the subject entitled "Advice to a Young Man on the Choice of a Mistress"

Beck is using history to justify punditry while missing big points.


Whitefield
Ok I got 3 seconds into the movie and he's already blaming progressives for wanting to "undermine the constitution, founding fathers, and religion"


Black Founders
One of the guys starts off saying "Well we've got movies about Malcom X and King, but none about Douglas!" We also dont have movies about Franklin, Washington, Jefferson, or anyone else for that matter.

Beck starts gushing about how much he loves Douglas, but he seems to have missed a lot of Douglas' writings. "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." That is almost the exact same kind of speech that the Socialist movement of today uses.

It's mentioned that today we seem to think that blacks were victims until the civil rights movement and pointed out that even before the revolution blacks were trying to secure their freedom. While this is true, this is attempting to minimize the fact that the vast majority of blacks in America were treated like crap because of their race. Yes there were notable exceptions even before King and Douglas, but these are exceptions that happen very rarely in black history in America.

Beck is presenting small pieces of information and molds them around his central point while ignoring contradictory information.


Madison
Halfway through he starts in on Wilson (AGAIN) and flat admits if he sees anything from Wilson, he automatically discounts it as a bad thing. That is intellectual dishonesty.

His Madison quote has very little to do with what he's claiming it does.

He states that the 17th amendment allowed special interest groups to lobby senators directly instead of having to go through state legislature. He doesnt explain why this was verboten before, just starts ranting about progressives.

He also claims that the 17th amendment allowed things like the new healthcare reform to be passed because without it, the states would have voted it down because it wasnt in their interest. This sort of ignores the fact that this is a government for the people, not the states.


Council of Founding Fathers
Not...really sure what he's getting at here. I find his line of thinking horribly convoluted and confusing

Im...guessing Beck is trying to say that...Feudalism is bad?

Revisionism
Im a little curious to ask Beck if he believes the book that makes up his religion is susceptible to the same "telephone" effect that history is.

I cant really comment on anything else in the video because it's Beck ranting with unfounded value judgements.

Now, not to mention myself learning a thing or two (which really is the only thing I could offer as "proof" that Glenn educates); judging by the audience, and their reactions, I imagine a few of them were educated as well? Not to mention that, in all the audiences I've seen on his show, not a single person looks like a hillbilly? Well, I admit that I'm picturing what a hillbilly might be from my experiences, but still, no one seems to appear hillbilly-ish..

I contend that Beck uses trivia and quote mining to support a particular political opinion and presents it on his show with little or no regard for the full story. Now I do admit that Beck's timeframe is limited and he may not have time to add all the "in fairness" stuff, but I dont EVER see him do it. Not once. Not in these clips, not in any other clips I've watched or any other instances of watching his show. He NEVER adds more complete information.

As an aside, what the HELL is up with Beck almost continually ragging on Woodrow Wilson?

 

[Awesome!]

I don't subscribe to all of Becks thoughts/opinions (or many even), but he makes good points.

He is not a "hill billy cheerleader", if anything he is a constitutionalist that hates what corporatism has done to this country.

Love him or hate him, it is bad analysis to simply write him off as an "idiot".

I agree, it would be a bad analysis to write him off. He's making an impact and you have to take him seriously. Some who profess to write him off on these threads seem to major in Beck???

 

[joe246]

I agree, it would be a bad analysis to write him off. He's making an impact and you have to take him seriously. Some who profess to write him off on these threads seem to major in Beck???

Perhaps not an idiot but certainly angry and closeminded. Did you know thomas Paine (author of common sense) was a socailist?

 

[Hicup]

Perhaps not an idiot but certainly angry and closeminded. Did you know thomas Paine (author of common sense) was a socailist?

No I didn't, please educate me.. Now, I suppose you're going to "fit" him into what a socialist, is, but the effort is worthy, no?


Tim-

 

[Calabrese]

I think Glenn Beck gets some of the best story's out there, however I kind of hate him. He lets the public in on just a squeeze of the the truth (more that any other media source) and then he denies other probable things or uses the truths and story's he has shown to advocate other ideas that are very right winged, even though he claims not to be.

I hate all the attacks he gets. I make a point to divide my news watching between Fox MSNBC and CNN and research on my own to see whats true and I must say that Beck does get a lot of very true and meaningful stories that no one else covers. He certainty is not as right as Hannity or some others, and (sorry lefters) he uses far fewer out of context clips, or twists on stories that many at MSNBC, yet the left hates this guy. Im a very independent thinker, Not right left or moderate, but anti partisan and anti corruption and I think Becks pretty good. Certainty not the Nazi some claim. He just crys and kicks sometimes which gives some conservatives a bad name

 

[Fiddytree]

Hoplite, I think to some degree, we just have to put up with Beck viewers recalling American political history like my good friend has to stand hearing tourists talk about how Custer would have been saved by gatling guns.

The application of history is possible, albeit, limited. The complications of history are typically overlooked to those who want to romanticize or dismiss history.