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Given what is/has happened to American under Trumpism...

If you were young, would you migrate out of the USA to a more enlightened country?

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Eriech

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Aaand he doubles down on the dumbass cracks.
Dumbass is a hallway full of Texas cops standing around listening to kids being slaughtered in a classroom. And probably not being able to look each other in the eye.
But thats just the conservative way, I guess.

Greater San Antonio is no different than any other urban liberal bastion of wokeness. Could be they had Scott Israel as a consultant.
 

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6. Plagiarist
7. Racist, white supremacist, patriarchal oppressor (according to his own Leftist supporters)
8. Crashing stock market
9. Destruction of American savings
10. Massive increase in American's personal and family debt
11. Saddling Americans with higher taxes
12. Increasing burdensome and costly regulations on business, including small and medium businesses
13. Unemployment rate predicted to go up - and stated by the Fed as a means to reduce inflation - higher unemployment lowers inflation
14. American's retirement savings being gutted
15. Donating $53 billion to fight a war that has nothing to do with us and which Europe had plenty of resources to wage
16. Debacle leaving Afghanistan, leaving behind allies and armaments for the Taliban
17. Increasing US activity in Syria, Yemen, Somalia and elsewhere
18. Failed "infrastructure" plan, which is doing nothing
19. No improvement in the electrical grid
20. No increase in nuclear powr
21. Dopey waste of money to donate to Biden supporters running solar power companies, but with no results available for many years
22. Embarrassment of trying to solve the gas price issue by a piddling release from the petroleum reserve and begging Saudi Arabia to increase their production while he does whatever he can to reduce our production.


He and his handlers are the worst. They couldn't hurt this country more if they tried.
Give the man credit. We did get Juneteenth as a holiday.
 

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Which "enlightened" country would accept woke deadbeat Americans fleeing "oppression".

When I was a kid there were ads on TV offering to pay Americans to immigrate to Australia. I was 10 and wanted to go......would have been adventure.
 

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Yes, because that was only part of the problem which is the one party system masquerading as a two party system and owned by the military industrial complex (which would still exist under socialism), and which is all beholden to the intelligence community (which would also still exist under socialism). Socialism would only render private property illegal, and put the means of production in the hands of the one party system masqauerading as a two party system, and therefore it would not improve anything - it would arguably make it worse by further centralizing decisionmaking.
I'm a libertarian socialist, I don't believe in centralized economic planning.

As far as corporations go, I believe they should be broken up by anti-trust laws and turned into worker cooperatives. Part of the problem with corporate lobbying is that the people doing the lobbying don't have the same material interests as normal people, so I believe democratizing that decision making process would help greatly. Now keep in mind, this wouldn't totally solve the issue. I just believe this is a politically viable transitory political goal.

As far as the military industrial complex is concerned even very much non-socialist countries have manage to not let contractors lobby them into endless wars. This is actually one of the few areas where I think the state should just directly produce the equipment it needs. The corrupting influence of capital with government contracts is just too pervasive.
 

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No. As someone who is old, I know that you are best served by staying in the US.
 

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Politics is very relevant.

Progressive DA's are turning animals loose on the streets and liberals are fine with it.

Sounds like you've been on too many social media sites again. I know it is hard to believe, but not everything on Twitter and Tiktok is real. Just because there is a meme with someone saying something doesn't make it true either. Facts aren't always in line with preconceived notions no matter how many likes it gets.
 

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Socialism would set you and your family up in a two bedroom one bath tenement housing complex, give you a job down at the button factory and send your kids to school up to 8th grade and then to a vocational ed training program in welding. You would get to work until around 72 and then get on the dole with enough to feed yourself and buy a small tv to watch the democrat President tell you how well you are doing.
Yet countries with a higher socialist component in their economy (social democracies) lead the world in the happiness index. No one is talking about socialist countries, but that are many, many economies that deliver a much higher standard of living for their citizens than the US.


The problem with America is that our political system has become dysfunctional. It can solve anything. A large part of that is the system allows for minority rule, which is a formula for disaster. We are a violent, gun-crazy culture that substantially looks the other way when school children are massacred in their classroom. Rather than move to a more peaceful society, it chooses to become even more militant. Christ told us that those that take up the sword shall perish by the sword. Guns are not the answer.

America currently does not work and our near term future is bleak because our leaders do not lead. They are substantially corrupt. Our democracy, which was once the envy of the world, is weak and teetering on failing. Our people just don't care. Rather than gravitating to civility we choose instead to turn on one another. Absent a major course correction, the American empire (both politically and then economically) will collapse within 50 year, if not sooner.

I have given thoughts of leaving the country... not because I want to; not because I don't love the country that I grew up in; but I fear that our citizens lack the will and capacity to restore this country to what it was.
 
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A younger me today would have difficult choices.

Considering the direction the nation is headed I would probably live outside the US for a while.

Canada, Ireland, France, Austria, the UK, Mexico would be among the places I’d consider.
 

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Please don't let age be your excuse! By enlightened you mean pro LBGTQ, pro abortion, pro open border, pro soft on crime, anti constitution.

Democrats have lost their minds. The very idea that republicans/conservatives are part of "Trumpism" is insulting but more than that it's ignorance at its finest by democrats. The policies of the left are dangerous and are harming Americans, all Americans.
When the Republican party shuns Trump then you have an argument that Republicans are not part of Trump, but no matter what Trump does, including trying a soft coup, Republicans go along. So, your argument here seems shallow and wrong. Perhaps you could give us a few examples where Republicans have distinguished themselves from Trumpism? Perhaps you could link us to some of YOUR posts where you have been highly critical of Trump, maybe even denounced him. I don't think you can? Maybe you would like do that now? Consider that an alter call.

Forgive us that most of us think Republicanism = Trumpism. Certainly the 2020 party platform (or lack thereof) could cause that confusion, so could the lack of people that denounce him (especially after the coup)..... I think we are all confused by the obvious enmeshment.
 

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Extremely unlikely.......its poised to go even redder in the next election.

Particularly the traditionally blue counties along the border are going red because everyone there (including me) has had a bellyful of Biden's border disaster.
Only the ignorant think Biden is the cause of the boarder crisis.
 

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Oh I wasn't aware you knew the political affiliation of those officers. I'm sure you would have run right in that doorway being the democrat hero you are.
I'm Canadian. You might have got a clue from the sidebar on the left of my posts. I'm not a Democrat.
Take a guess what the political affiliation of Texas policemen might be. A wild guess. How many liberals do you think would be in a handful of them? They are cowards and conservative cowards to boot.
It wouldnt take much courage to confront that shooter, almost any man would have, and I know exactly how brave I am after nearly 30 years on structural steel. Fear is easily confronted and pushed aside. Many men do it routinely. Your doubts on the subject are your problem.
 

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Greater San Antonio is no different than any other urban liberal bastion of wokeness. Could be they had Scott Israel as a consultant.
Is there anywhere in the USA you feel safe?
 

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I don't disagree with any of that. My only point is that many European countries are facing similar far right populist movements that, if they gain any power, will strip all the same rights and more than we have seen walked back in the US.
yup.....i like populism......but it's kinda like the dog chasing the car.....what the hell does he do with it if he catches it
 

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Only the ignorant dont know Senile Joe is the cause of the disaster at our border
Trump abandoned Obama's South Amerrican policy and got the trouble that's been brewing ever since.
 

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The US is so great that even the people who complain about it constantly won’t leave.
It's not actually that easy to leave. Aside from having to find a country to move to, and getting a job there, possibly learning a new language and so on, there is also expatriation tax to leave the United States.
 

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Only the ignorant dont know Senile Joe is the cause of the disaster at our border
what disaster........there is not disaster......there are only hopeless people asking for help.......if we are a Christian nation as we say we are we should welcome them
 

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what disaster........there is not disaster......there are only hopeless people asking for help.......if we are a Christian nation as we say we are we should welcome them
Sorry but I've lived on the border for decades and its a disaster that has to be seen to believed. It's never been so bad.

Welcome them??? They are coming here illegally...breaking our laws.... the drug cartels are out of control..... Crime is out of control. ..really it is the drug cartels and coyotes that control the border right now.....not us.

It is sooo bad that the only sane thing to do is put our military on the border and threaten anyone who crosses anywhere but an official U.S Customs port of entry on notice they could be fired upon.
 

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Sorry but I've lived on the border for decades and its a disaster that has to be seen to believed. It's never been so bad.

Welcome them??? They are coming here illegally...breaking our laws.... the drug cartels are out of control..... Crime is out of control. ..really it is the drug cartels and coyotes that control the border right now.....not us.

It is sooo bad that the only sane thing to do is put our military on the border and threaten anyone who crosses anywhere but an official U.S Customs port of entry on notice they could be fired upon.
In the legs or ...?

https://abcnews.go.com › Politics › trump-asked-shooting-migrants-crossing-border-legs › story?id=66003927

Trump asked about shooting migrants crossing border in the legs ...

The detail of shooting migrants below the waist are included in a new book "Border Wars: Inside Trump's Assault on Immigration," by Times reporters Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Michael D. Shear.
 

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What? I thought y’all believed we were poised to elect Beto.

Francis needs to go back to New York, where his leftist ways are accepted.
 

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Francis needs to go back to New York, where his leftist ways are accepted.
California might be a great choice for Robert O'Rourke too! .....Or not.

Word is many in California are so fed up that they are quietly switching to the Republican party.
 

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I’m staying although I have always wanted to go to Iceland.

I’ll continue to do what I have been doing…Stay away from the MAGA filth, white supremacists, Nazis etc. I do have to work with some deplorable’s but I enjoy telling them how stupid they are every day.
 

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California might be a great choice for Robert O'Rourke too! .....Or not.

Word is many in California are so fed up that they are quietly switching to the Republican party.
Actually, they are moving to Arizona.
 
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