Giuliani - Good or bad move?

[Sauwan]

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SACRAMENTO — Republican presidential hopeful Rudolph W. Giuliani praised President Bush's war leadership on Saturday and mocked supporters of a nonbinding congressional resolution condemning the U.S. troop buildup in Iraq.

The former New York City mayor came to Bush's defense as he promoted his White House candidacy at a California Republican convention. Drawing parallels between Iraq and America's Civil War, Giuliani compared Bush's political troubles to Abraham Lincoln's. When the Civil War was unpopular, Giuliani said, Lincoln "kept his eye ahead."

"He was able to say, 'I know my people are frustrated, and I know my people are angry at me.' " But after weighing public opinion, Lincoln had "that ability that a leader has — a leader like George Bush, a leader like Ronald Reagan — to look into the future," Giuliani said.

IMO he just shot himself in the foot. If Giuliani would stop making himself seem as power hungry as Bush he would almost surely be my vote for the next President. However, his propensity towards a police state and his backing of this abhorrent war has me baffled. Are the republicans purposely trying to get me to vote Dem again?

 

[Navy Pride]

I have my differences with Rudy on social issues but I am right with him on the war on terror and in Iraq...............If we don't win there all the other issues won't mean squat.........

 

[disneydude]

Its obvious that Giuliani is trying to appeal to the right-wing because he understands that to get the nomination he is likely going to need some of their support....so for that reason I think it is a smart move.


However, if Giuliani gets the nomination, he will distance himself as much as possible from Bush....and a smart Dem will come back and use this against him....so in that sense it is a bad move.

The key for Giuliani (or any republican for that matter) will be walking that fine line. The American people are not going to punish the Republican candidate for GWB unless they tie themselves too closely to him. However, McCain and Giuliani have the problem with appealing to the right-wing element of the party (which has been powerful enough in the past to take over the party - and they are cognizant of this).

One interesting thing to watch will be if Giuliani (or whoever gets the nod)...use GWB to campaign for them. I think you will see very little of GWB during the campaign.

 

[ARealConservative]

Giuliani compared Bush's political troubles to Abraham Lincoln's. When the Civil War was unpopular, Giuliani said, Lincoln "kept his eye ahead."

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"If I could save the Union without freeing any Iraqi's I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all Iraqi's I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some Iraqi's and leaving other Iraqi's alone I would also do that. What I do about the Iraqi's I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I don't believe it would help to save the Union."

 

[Navy Pride]

Its obvious that Giuliani is trying to appeal to the right-wing because he understands that to get the nomination he is likely going to need some of their support....so for that reason I think it is a smart move.


However, if Giuliani gets the nomination, he will distance himself as much as possible from Bush....and a smart Democrat will come back and use this against him....so in that sense it is a bad move.

The key for Giuliani (or any republican for that matter) will be walking that fine line. The American people are not going to punish the Republican candidate for GWB unless they tie themselves too closely to him. However, McCain and Giuliani have the problem with appealing to the right-wing element of the party (which has been powerful enough in the past to take over the party - and they are cognizant of this).

One interesting thing to watch will be if Giuliani (or whoever gets the nod)...use GWB to campaign for them. I think you will see very little of GWB during the campaign.

He may do that but he sure as hell is not doing it now.........

 

[disneydude]

He may do that but he sure as hell is not doing it now.........

George Bush is CLEARLY no Abraham Lincoln....its a disgrace to even mention the two in the same breath.
Abraham Lincoln is surely rolling over in his grave at the way the Republican party has evolved into the party of big government, big spending....and closed minds.

 

[The Mark]

None of the current candidates for president are my idea of what makes a good president.

 

[Billo_Really]

Rudy's got no business running in 08. He has not a clue how to get things done at the federal level. He's a glorified Big Apple mayor that was nothing more than a political tissue during a tragic event. He can't get specific on any issue. He's better of running for Supervisor of NY Unified School District.

Like it or not, the only one on Hillary's level is not even in the race.

 

[desertfox]

politicaly a smart move but he lost a lot of respect from me (just like Mcain a year back) everytime a good republican comes along they have to whore themselves out to the far right

 

[RightOfCenter]

Rudy's got no business running in 08. He has not a clue how to get things done at the federal level. He's a glorified Big Apple mayor that was nothing more than a political tissue during a tragic event. He can't get specific on any issue. He's better of running for Supervisor of NY Unified School District.

Like it or not, the only one on Hillary's level is not even in the race.

You don't think governing a city of 8 million people through tragedy extremely succesfully qualifies him to lead this country? I disagree. I think he would be a great President. Fiscal conservative and social liberal? What's not to like?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by RightOfCenter
You don't think governing a city of 8 million people through tragedy extremely succesfully qualifies him to lead this country? I disagree. I think he would be a great President. Fiscal conservative and social liberal? What's not to like?

He doesn't know anything! Everytime someone asks him a specific question on a particular issue, he fires back with buzzwords and generalisms that's just empty rhetoric. What's his plan? We've had enough of the reps complaining the dems don't have a plan, well, what's Rudy's plan? It's zero. He doesn't have one. He's just, "I'm the mayor from 9/11, vote for me!"

In addition, he's an outsider to Washington circles. He'd have the same success getting things done as Jimmy Carter. Basically, a stranger to the movers and shakers in Washington, coming in barking orders, expecting people to do it his way and there would be friction and nothing would get done. More because he doesn't know what too get done, or how to go about doing it. And besides, if he was President, how many 1st ladies are we going to have during his tenure? He can't even run a marriage, how can he run a country?

 

[Sammy2]

He doesn't know anything! Everytime someone asks him a specific question on a particular issue, he fires back with buzzwords and generalisms that's just empty rhetoric. What's his plan? We've had enough of the Republicans complaining the Democrats don't have a plan, well, what's Rudy's plan? It's zero. He doesn't have one. He's just, "I'm the mayor from 9/11, vote for me!"

In addition, he's an outsider to Washington circles. He'd have the same success getting things done as Jimmy Carter. Basically, a stranger to the movers and shakers in Washington, coming in barking orders, expecting people to do it his way and there would be friction and nothing would get done. More because he doesn't know what too get done, or how to go about doing it. And besides, if he was President, how many 1st ladies are we going to have during his tenure? He can't even run a marriage, how can he run a country?

And with that, I hope ya didn't vote for Clintoon.

You need to do a little more research on The Rudy. Apparently you do not live in or anywhere near NYC (and if you do, you are too young to know the difference between NYC before and after Rudy).

He's gonna get the nomination and he's most likely going to be the next POTUS.

Who plans for 9/11 let alone dealing with a fiasco like 9/11 with a bunch a whiny liberals up your arse when you aren't a liberal?

What's your solution, by the way? Yes, for Iraq and everything else you and your ilk put blame on the republicans for? Did Clinton get it right? Kennedy? Will Obama or Hillbillery? What's your solution...and don't say the UN...b/c that would just discount ANY of your concerns.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Sammy2
And with that, I hope ya didn't vote for Clintoon.

You need to do a little more research on The Rudy. Apparently you do not live in or anywhere near NYC (and if you do, you are too young to know the difference between NYC before and after Rudy).

He's gonna get the nomination and he's most likely going to be the next POTUS.

Who plans for 9/11 let alone dealing with a fiasco like 9/11 with a bunch a whiny liberals up your arse when you aren't a liberal?

What's your solution, by the way? Yes, for Iraq and everything else you and your ilk put blame on the republicans for? Did Clinton get it right? Kennedy? Will Obama or Hillbillery? What's your solution...and don't say the UN...b/c that would just discount ANY of your concerns.

I've been to NY. I think the city sucks! I hate NY. The city smells, garbage lines the streets, nobody stays in their lanes and the natives talk funny. The only thing I liked about NY was the Stones concert I saw at Madison Square Garden and PJ's Pub. That's it. My aunt lives in NY. I hate my aunt.

As for Rud-eey, he looks like he should be pitching Popiel's Pocket Fisherman on some pay per view channel at 2:00am. He ain't got the chops.

As for blame, I blame the reps, the dems, the cons, the libs and you! I blame myself for not doing enough to spot these whacko neo's and their lying bullshit sooner. Obama's too green, but he's the future. Hillary's the only one qualified on that level to run a country other than Gore.

As for the plan, I'd get the troops out of Iraq, I'd arrest Bush and Cheney and turn them over to an International Court to be tried for war crimes, and I start trying to repair our image around the world so we don't have so many threats. I'd put an end to this farsical WOT just so the WTO can sleep at night. I'd cut our defense spending in half and use the money to keep the economy rolling. I'd start programs to grow gasoline like they do in Brazil. I'd stop our war machine from interferring in other nations business. I'd repeal the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act and end illegal wiretapping. I'd make it a law that campaign contributions have to made anonomously. And then, if any Islamic Facsist or Euro-French crusader or Vladimir Putin decided to bad mouth this country, I'd tell them to go to hell! Because at that point, we would have done our part to clean our own house, and the next move would be on them.

And I'd get the Lakers a true center.

 

[RightinNYC]

Rudy's got no business running in 08. He has not a clue how to get things done at the federal level. He's a glorified Big Apple mayor that was nothing more than a political tissue during a tragic event. He can't get specific on any issue. He's better of running for Supervisor of NY Unified School District.

Like it or not, the only one on Hillary's level is not even in the race.

Is that why Giuliani is kicking every single other candidates *** in the polls?

 

[RightinNYC]

I've been to NY. I think the city sucks! I hate NY. The city smells, garbage lines the streets, nobody stays in their lanes and the natives talk funny. The only thing I liked about NY was the Stones concert I saw at Madison Square Garden and PJ's Pub. That's it. My aunt lives in NY. I hate my aunt.

And we don't like you either. So have fun in the ****ing left coast, and pray your *** doesn't break off from the rest of the US.:2wave:

 

[Makhno]

Didn't he reduce crime in NY by just forcing poor people to leave?

 

[Billo_Really]

Giuliani To Run For President Of 9/11

NEW YORK—At a well-attended rally in front of his new Ground Zero headquarters Monday, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani officially announced his plan to run for president of 9/11.

"My fellow citizens of 9/11, today I will make you a promise," said Giuliani during his 18-minute announcement speech in front of a charred and torn American flag. "As president of 9/11, I will usher in a bold new 9/11 for all."

If elected, Giuliani would inherit the duties of current 9/11 President George W. Bush, including making grim facial expressions, seeing the world's conflicts in terms of good and evil, and carrying a bullhorn at all state functions.

"Let us all remember how we felt on that day, with the world watching our every move, waiting on our every word," said Giuliani, flanked by several firefighters, ex-New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, and Judith Nathan, his third wife. "With a campaign built on traditional 9/11 values, and with the help of every citizen who believes in the 9/11 dream, I want to make 9/11 great again."

According to Washington–based political analyst Gregory Hammond, Giuliani's candidacy "should not be underestimated."

"Sure, he has no foreign or national policy experience, and both his personal life and political career are riddled with scandal," said Hammond. "But in the key area of having been on TV on 9/11, the other candidates simply cannot match him. And as we saw in 2004, that's what matters most to voters in this post-9/11 world."

After his downtown Manhattan announcement, Giuliani held an afternoon rally near the Pentagon. In the early evening, he flew to a field outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where he hosted a $5,000-a-plate fundraising dinner in a tent decorated with clouds of ash, streaming sheets of singed office paper, and small piles of authentic rubble from the World Trade Center site.

Among the policy planks listed on his website are his Cleaner Air Act, which would severely limit the levels of smoke and harmful gases allowed to pour from 747s flying into 110-story office buildings, guaranteed health insurance covering burns caused by shards of burning metal, and his "No Child Left Behind In A Smoldering Skyscraper" initiative.

Giuliani supporters praised the candidate for his "early and unwavering commitment" to 9/11.

"People talk about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, but did either of them happen to be mayor of New York in September 2001?" Bedford, NH resident Helen Rolfe said. "Guiliani was. To me, that speaks volumes about this man."

The man is good on a date.

 

[Sauwan]

Hilariously tasteless.

 

[RightOfCenter]

The man is good on a date.

So because he was the leader of the city that suffered the worst attack on our country since 9/11, he isn't qualified to be President?:roll:
Do you even know anything else he did or stands for? I'm sure you would be all for him if instead of an (R) by his name it was a (D).

Maybe you should actually read up on him.
Rudy Giuliani on the Issues

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by RightOfCenter
So because he was the leader of the city that suffered the worst attack on our country since 9/11, he isn't qualified to be President?
Do you even know anything else he did or stands for? I'm sure you would be all for him if instead of an (R) by his name it was a (D).

Maybe you should actually read up on him.
Rudy Giuliani on the Issues

I'm not a Democrat!

Rudy on the issues:
Dismantled affirmative action program for NYC contracts. (Mar 1997)
Supports affirmative action. (Apr 1989)

Well, which is it?

Rudy on the issues:
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

He doesn't have any opinion on the biggest reason the United States doesn't exist anymore? The biggest reason we went to war? The biggest reason fighting the earth's ability to sustain life?

I know why. Because he's in their pockets.

Rudy on the issues:
Prefers death penalty for 9/11 conspirators. (May 2006)

This shows he's a barbarian.

Rudy on the issues:
Drug policy should be an integral part of foreign policy. (Sep 1997)

Here's another war we couldn't win.

Rudy on the issues:
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

I'm not surprised.

Rudy doesn't know anything. Hasn't done anything. And won't do anything on a national level. He just isn't qualified.