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Giuliani changes tune about Trump campaign collusion

WCH said:
I know, it's hard for Leftists to realize life happened before Trump.
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I'm not a leftist. I'm just someone who lives in actual reality, and not in the delusions of right-wing propaganda.
 
WCH said:
All this is to cover up what happened in the past Admins. Things you don't care to know about.
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Well that is just completely detached from objective reality.
 
WCH said:
And again, collusion is not a crime.
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But this certainly is....
Attorneys for Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman, inadvertently included a big reveal in a court filing on Tuesday through their clumsy failure to properly redact key portions. They admitted that during the 2016 campaign Manafort and his longtime associate Konstantin Kilimnik, who the FBI has said has ties to Russian intelligence, discussed a peace plan for Ukraine and that Manafort also shared with him political polling data.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/09/collusion-case-against-trump-just-got-lot-stronger/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4d975c4e3850
 
WCH said:
sorry... sounds like a Leftist to me.
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And you sound like a Putin apologist who relishes a President who does his bidding. What does that make you?
 
Lycanthrope said:
"I never said no one was not involved in collusion that never may not have happened, and even if it didn't not happen there was neither consequence nor collusion. HOW CAN I MAKE IT ANY MORE CLEAR? THIS INTERVIEW IS OVER!!!"
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NebraskaFtball said:
What is this supposed to mean exactly?

You do know the SCO has a very specific mandate as outlined by DOJ that narrowed the focus in the August 2017 memorandum filed by Rosenstein, right? We have seen the unredacted portion of this memorandum as it related to the crimes committed by Manafort. The rest of the memorandum remains unavailable for public review because of the ongoing investigation.

So what collusion with other politicians and the same entity are you referring to here? And who are you expecting to investigate these claims?
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Wait for it...............OBAMA!!! HILLARY!!
 
WCH said:
Like I said...you're not willing to see the other side of the coin here. Obama, Hillary, Mueller, Rosenstein etc all had connections to Russian, Ukrainian, Iranian etc. agents lobbying for access and intel.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesc...llary-clinton-in-the-news-again/#de414b5526d5


https://www.nationalreview.com/2017...inistration-doj-hillary-clinton-racketeering/
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And Trumps campaign manager handed over sensitive internal polling data from Cambridge Analytica to a Russian agent during the campaign. Let's stick to current and pertinent data that has not already been debunked.

So the firm harvested private information from the Facebook profiles of more than 50 million users without their permission, according to former Cambridge employees, associates and documents, making it one of the largest data leaks in the social network’s history. The breach allowed the company to exploit the private social media activity of a huge swath of the American electorate, developing techniques that underpinned its work on President Trump’s campaign in 2016.
An examination by The New York Times and The Observer of London reveals how Cambridge Analytica’s drive to bring to market a potentially powerful new weapon put the firm — and wealthy conservative investors seeking to reshape politics — under scrutiny from investigators and lawmakers on both sides of the Atlantic.
Christopher Wylie, who helped found Cambridge and worked there until late 2014, said of its leaders: “Rules don’t matter for them. For them, this is a war, and it’s all fair.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/09/collusion-case-against-trump-just-got-lot-stronger/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4d975c4e3850
 
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RaleBulgarian said:
For many months Giuliani (and other trump minions) have been shouting “no collusion, no collusion!”. Following the botched redaction of court papers submitted by Manafort’s attorneys, the first solid evidence connecting a Trump surrogate to a Russian with government connections has been confirmed.

Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani: 'I never said there was no collusion between the campaign' and Russia

“WASHINGTON – In a stunning interview on CNN Wednesday evening, President Donald Trump's attorney, Rudy Giuliani, said there may have been "collusion" between members of the Trump campaign and Russia – but the president wasn't involved.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2600268002

Yeah, sure. :roll:
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"I never admitted there might have been collusion between the campaign in Russia. I talked about some potential working together that does not rise to the level of collusion or "links and/or coordination"*, which isn't a crime anyway"

ETA: 6 weeks.








* One of many things being investigated, none of which include "collusion."
 
Rudy is on fire this morning. He's admitted that talk of Trump Tower Moscow may have carried on as late as Oct-Nov of 2016. Before that (I think), he said "so what" if Trump talked to Cohen about his testimony.

I still to this day cannot understand what Rudy's role is. Is he putting the "facts" out before the real facts come out, or is he spreading disinformation?
 
WCH said:
This whole investigation is based on if, ands or buts. It's been a reach from the very beginning by extremely partisan folks.
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Yeah all those indictments and lies about Russian contacts were just ifs and buts. :lamo

And you're saying the FBI is partisan?
 
WCH said:
If Trump were a politician by trade, it would have been declared the status quo.
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Not hardly. The man is leaps and bounds beyond corruption and lies by typical politicians. And he's not even smart about it like a typical politician.
 
WCH said:
Since Mueller and others overlooked the 'collusion' of past politicians with the same entities, I doubt they'll bring this to fruition.
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Oh Gosh here we go again with the whataboutism. Hell you can't even substantiate it.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Here, let me translate:

B-bu-but Obama! B-bu-but Hillary!
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I do think its time for Rudy to go. That said, Rudy has been the gift that keeps giving as Mueller treats information to the public like a miser treats a penny. So watching Rudy roll back Trump's lies has been revealing. If there was nothing or is nothing to Trump/Russia why are so many Trump campaigners and insiders lying about it and why have their lies taken the classic public lying approach of the walk back, piling lie upon lie about the same topic?

But I do want to cut Rudy one break here if I can. Clearly Trump has wanted Rudy to be his PR mouthpiece, playing a lawyer on TV as opposed to actually being one. If there is one thing you can take to the bank its that Donald has never told any of his lawyers the truth about the campaign and none of these lawyers were around for the campaign. So they are entirely dependent on what Trump tells them or what Manafort tells them (God forbid) or what Flynn told them before he flipped out of the joint defense strategy.

Notice how reticent Rudy has been about discussing Obstruction on any level or having Trump discuss Obstruction on any level. Why? Because many of these attorneys have been around to see the Obstruction case building against them and have been getting punched in the mouth with it daily. They don't have to depend on what Trump and his band of merry dirtbags have to say about the Obstruction case. They see it for themselves every day.

So as far as Rudy's stumbling and bumbling on the Conspiracy and Collusion end of things I am willing to cut him something of break. He knows about as much as any of Trump's other attorneys have known in that regard....NOTHING!
 
I'm starting to believe that Giuliani is an integral part of Trump's plan. No one could be that incredibly incompetent and still be around as the president's TV spokesman, let alone his lawyer.

By having Rudy on TV every week talking out both sides of his mouth, it allows Trump to gage public reactions and at the same time be able to disavow anything Rudy says. And of course, they believe that Rudy can't be put under oath, citing lawyer/client privilege, and failing that, executive privilege.

Whenever the MSM reports something that Rudy says that later turns out to be false, the president will call out "Fake News" even though the source for the report was Trump's own man.

By getting out ahead of what Trump knows is going to come out eventually, there won't be any 'bombshells' because they can say "This is old news. Rudy was talking about this publicly months ago. I thought you had something new to talk about."

The senate will convict Trump in an impeachment, but only if they believe it will be worse for their political careers if they don't.

Trump controls the narrative. Trump controls the media. Trump gaslights the public.
 
WCH said:
Got anything like this on Trump?
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You're trotting that old video out because that's all you've got?! :lamo:lamo:lamo.

Oh hell yeah I do. How much time to you have? And don't forget Trump has had several meetings with Putin that not even his staff are allowed to know about. Confiscated notes from his translator. But there's lots more to show trump is what is called in Russian intelligence circles as a "useful idiot."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2d48d16db029

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/putin-told-trump-russia-never-meddled-in-us-election.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-russia-useful-idiot-madeleine-albright-230238
 
EnigmaO01 said:
You're trotting that old video out because that's all you've got?! :lamo:lamo:lamo.

Oh hell yeah I do. How much time to you have? And don't forget Trump has had several meetings with Putin that not even his staff are allowed to know about. Confiscated notes from his translator. But there's lots more to show trump is what is called in Russian intelligence circles as a "useful idiot."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2d48d16db029

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/putin-told-trump-russia-never-meddled-in-us-election.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-russia-useful-idiot-madeleine-albright-230238
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I'm sure those sources won't waver too much from the Leftist rhetoric. They're lock-step.
 
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