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No, we just did things we called torture when done TO us or our allies, but clearly is NOT "torture" when done BY us. It's just "enhanced interrogation" or preferably "EIT" which of course carries with it none of the unnecessary, heavy moral baggage of 'torture.' Hey, it's not just interrogation, it's "enhanced!" Like an 'enhanced' food product! New and improved! Thank you Orwell for showing us the way!! (with an assist from Nazi propagandists, H/T to someone else who posted that earlier)
BTW, anyone know if Frank Luntz poll tested 'enhanced interrogation?'
I've already provided reports from the time...He was waterboarded 5 times...But I suspect that you don't care if you were being dishonest about it anyway.
Avoided the question again.... Good job on that!
Of course many of those 'protecting our behind' are/were disgusted by the torture/detention program. They believe in what America stands for and it's not that.
13 years, with no evidence that he was a combatant. The war ended in October. That's what I'm saying, kill him or let him go, holding him indefinitely for no given reason is wrong.
Who cares what a murdering terrorist thinks of what “shames the U.S. flag”?
1. That you are opposing anything the previous administration did with detainees, yet don't want to discuss this one on droning...You say you're against it but don't even know the simplest of numbers on who was effected...
2. Is that so? I don't see it much
3. The Islamists you seem to be supporting all over this thread.
Why do so many of you pretend this is about crimes or potential crimes? The people being held are unlawful combatants. The only right they have is to determine whether they are detainees or unlawful combatants. After that, if they cooperate and give us useful information let them live. Otherwise kill them.
Are you shedding real tears?
The war ended? Really? Did WE surrender? The Islamofascists are still at it.
Many of the criminals are already here. Look at how many side with Feinstein.We need to stop worrying about what they might do to us, and make them worry every day about what we are going to do to them. If it takes area bombing of cities where the sympathetic locals are tolerating or even harboring them, then so be it. I believe a lot of civilians in Muslim countries are sympathetic to these bastards, and they should be made to appreciate the consequences of siding with war criminals who are bent on destroying us.
US no longer has combat operations in Afghanistan. Which is the conflict in which the guy in the OP was captured.
Many of the criminals are already here. Look at how many side with Feinstein.
I do believe we should inform the Islamist countries with historical mosques that we will destroy every mosque if they do not bring their Islamofascist brethren under control. Then do it. Have a Week of Retribution where we destroy every single mosque and other religious site in night after night of attacks until none are left.
Agreed.Anti-American propagandists also routinely cite that 180+ figure to mislead.
I watched two. Both lasted less than 20 seconds.Detailed descriptions of all the enhanced interrogation techniques are available online, and anyone who troubles to read them knows that what was being counted there was every single trial on the subject--each of which usually lasted about 15-20 seconds.
Yes. People really do not like being uncomfortable or knowing that this afternoon they are likely to be uncomfortable again.Only so many of these could be conducted in any one session, only so many minutes of sessions per day, and so on. And a doctor had to be right there in the room monitoring everything. This coward was subjected to repeated, severe discomfort, and when he'd gotten enough of it, he changed his tune and began to give up his fellow cowards.
I agree that we should kill him. My personal favorite is to throw him over the side of your favorite naval vessel somewhere in the Atlantic ocean near the Equator. Let him swim to his favorite country.The only mistake was in not trying and executing him as soon as he'd told all he knew. He continues to draw breath thirteen years after masterminding an attack meant to decapitate the government of the United States, conspiring to murder almost three thousand people in the process. What sort of jellyfish have we become, that we let this son of a bitch live?
Sigh. They have control of oil fields. Do I really give you far more credit than is due?Well they get funding from somewhere - if not the Saudis then who?
The rest makes no sense to me. How can a group like ISIS have oil fields? They might control them temporarily, but they're not yet a country.
Medical doctors were quoted earlier. I'd do it again, but you have access to Google.
Home made Sangria here.
Only one large glass, lots of ice.
I gotta maintain my sense of decorum as well as my equilibrium.
Ah, so you are not an actual medical doctor. You simply play one on the Internet. Thanks for playing!
Citations, mother of god citations please.
You are welcome to your interpretation. Interrogations are not intended to be pleasant.OK, so you're on board with torture. Nice to know you have that in common with the late Saddam! I hope you're proud!
You are not curious.Just curious - I suppose that is the system you'd be satisfied with for U.S. detainees? After all, if another country accuses them, then they (the U.S. citizen) is surely guilty and should be summarily tried in a kangaroo court and executed. Right?
Just curious - I suppose that is the system you'd be satisfied with for U.S. detainees? After all, if another country accuses them, then they (the U.S. citizen) is surely guilty and should be summarily tried in a kangaroo court and executed. Right?
Who has said that? We retained very few people of the larger numbers we captured in or near battlefields.But as far as I can tell, our obligation to determine if someone we hold actually did something wrong approaches zero.
Why do you foolishly believe this is a criminal proceeding? It is not. A captured person is a detainee until his status is changed to unlawful combatant or he is released. Most were released.Certainly you haven't supported any actual process to determine such a thing that we'd recognize as a trial.
I cannot fathom the twisted thinking of a liberal. It is almost as if we have had no history prior to the moment that liberal opened his eyes.So my assumption is if that American is accused, he obviously did something wrong, end of inquiry, or that would be the case if we followed the suggestions of the right wingers on this thread.
"McCain is all about McCain. He needs to leave the stage. He is a troll and he supports traitors. I cannot say if torture was involved. I have not read the report. I tend to doubt it. Either way Feinstein is a traitor and should be charged with treason for her act."
Do I have to write this elsewhere and then quote myself?
Feinstein's report will harm our relationships with countries who supported us.
She had destroyed the CIA for at least two generations.
She needs to be charged with treason. She needs to be tried and I would like to see her execution as a traitor televised.
Now what citation would you like? Shall I reference this message?
Have you noticed most of our fears are created by government? You have people who are Hell bent on causing chaos, death and destruction to this country.Overreaching will continue, regardless of who's in the White House.
Give government a program, no matter how lofty it's goals may appear--- e.g. "keeping us safe" , and it will be abused.
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