Girl dies after being detained by U.S. Border Patrol-Washington Post

[Arby]

Okay, young girl dies because father sought a better life=no sympathy. Got it.

No sympathy for the father for putting his daughter in that position. Too late for sympathy for the daughter. He was a failed father.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Oh shocking, a dumb deflection from a conservative

No more dumb than the post that he responded to. :shrug: Which unsurprisingly while you criticize one poster for what they said you totally ignored what that poster was responding to. Which makes what you said just as bad as what those two said.

 

[tres borrachos]

No sympathy for the father for putting his daughter in that position. Too late for sympathy for the daughter. He was a failed father.

That's good. You can smile thinking about his guilt and agony.

That must be that "compassion" we've heard so much about.

 

[trixare4kids]

She was taken to the hospital which is where she died. Read the OP link.

IF she was taken to the hospital by the authorities wouldn't this action mitigate border patrols of all responsibility for her death?

Seems to me that only a rabid partisan or Trump hater would continue to blame BP for doing the correct thing here...

 

[ttwtt78640]

She was taken to the hospital 8 hours after she was detained. She seized because they said she hadn't been given food or water for days. If that's true, then she should have been taken to the hospital before it got to the point of seizure. And that's what I said. But you don't seem to like that I said that.

I read the OP link. More than once.

A group of 163 people are wandering in the desert for two days without food or water and it is obviously CBPs fault that one of them died.

 

[joko104]

Okay, young girl dies because father sought a better life=no sympathy. Got it.

She died because of her parents recklessly putting her into a deadly situation. They are who killed here. A man and wife could carry enough water to last a week.

 

[Renae]

This was not trafficking. They were a family trying to enter the U.S.

It was a father who used his child to engender emotional gain in his illegal actions, he's the reason she is dead.

 

[j-mac]

So you can prove that she was given water. Then post it. This isn't complicated.

I've seen people who were dehydrated and starving. You can spot it a mile away. They didn't seem to spot it - unless you have evidence to the contrary?

You and twtt seem to be really worked up because I feel bad that this young girl died. Who is responsible for her death isn't relevant. I have a heart and hate to see a little girl die like this. That was the point of my original post that got you all worked up.

Just say you don't care about her death and cut to the chase, if that's your point. Because otherwise, you don't have an argument about my sympathy for a dead girl.

That as usual is an outrageous tact to take on this Tres. Shame on you....No one is questioning your sympathy, for the young child that died, but rather in whom you place the onus of responsibility of her death on...You know that, but yet compile your usual dishonest attack of anyone who doesn't agree with your new found progressivism....

 

[ttwtt78640]

IF she was taken to the hospital by the authorities wouldn't this action mitigate border patrols of all responsibility for her death?

Seems to me that only a rabid partisan or Trump hater would continue to blame BP for doing the correct thing here...

Nope, each CBP unit should be capable of rendering immediate aid to as many illegal immigrants as might be encountered having been wandering in the desert for two days. After all, this is why we pay taxes.

 

[jimbo]

That's sad. I hate to read about any young child dying. Too bad nobody thought to get her medical treatment. May she rest in peace.

How do you know she wasn't given medical attention?

From the article, the group was suffering from malnutrition and dehydration when they arrived. There's nothing to indicate her condition was ignored, deliberately or otherwise.

The article title, while accurate, is deliberately misleading. She died a few hours after being taken into custody. That's all we know.

 

[Kal'Stang]

So you can prove that she was given water. Then post it. This isn't complicated.

Never said I could. You're the one basing an entire argument about her not receiving water. You're the one asking for proof of something which was only brought up by an article written by a person that didn't even bother to try and find out.

I've seen people who were dehydrated and starving. You can spot it a mile away. They didn't seem to spot it - unless you have evidence to the contrary?

Sorry that you have witnessed such. Did you see such in large groups of people all being herded to a facility that is small?

You and twtt seem to be really worked up because I feel bad that this young girl died. Who is responsible for her death isn't relevant. I have a heart and hate to see a little girl die like this. That was the point of my original post that got you all worked up.

If that was the point of your original post that we responded to you sure do have a funny way of showing it. All you did was attack DHS based on an assumption that they didn't give out water and immediately give a medical examination to the young girl.

Just say you don't care about her death and cut to the chase, if that's your point. Because otherwise, you don't have an argument about my sympathy for a dead girl.

If I didn't care about her death then I wouldn't be criticizing the father for bringing her across a desert without adequate water and protection from the sun. But hey, you keep on implying that those that disagree with you are heartless. It just shows that you're argument is not standing up to scrutiny so have to resort to personal attacks.

 

[Arby]

That's good. You can smile thinking about his guilt and agony.

That must be that "compassion" we've heard so much about.

No, not smile. Just bewildered why a father would put his daughter through what he did. I would never risk my child's health for greener pastures.

 

[Arby]

Nope, each CBP unit should be capable of rendering immediate aid to as many illegal immigrants as might be encountered having been wandering in the desert for two days. After all, this is why we pay taxes.

We pay taxes to keep them from wandering the desert, not to feed and medicate them.

 

[americanwoman]

How do you know she wasn't given medical attention?

From the article, the group was suffering from malnutrition and dehydration when they arrived. There's nothing to indicate her condition was ignored, deliberately or otherwise.

The article title, while accurate, is deliberately misleading. She died a few hours after being taken into custody. That's all we know.

Actually it states in the article in the OP and the link that mycroft provided that she was taken to a hospital.

 

[celticwar17]

Can you post your evidence that this dead young girl was being trafficked, please?

She was being illegally transported across borders by her parent... The definition does not require a sexual exploitation, though that is how it's most commonly used.

Are you actually claiming this is not an extremely dangerous environment to put a child in? It's child abuse in my opinion...

 

[Kal'Stang]

Well, then, good. You can sleep well tonight saying "She died because her father was stupid".

The rest of us with hearts will continue to feel bad that she died tragically.

:roll:

 

[celticwar17]

This was not trafficking. They were a family trying to enter the U.S.

She was being illegally transported across borders by her parent... The definition does not require a sexual exploitation, though that is how it's most commonly used.

Are you actually claiming this is not an extremely dangerous environment to put a child in? It's child abuse in my opinion... 90% of woman illegally crossing the border are raped in the process.

I cannot believe there are so many people who think like you. This is not humanitarian. This encourages a black market of smuggling, human trafficking, and danger to all involved. Immigration laws exist for a reason.

it's a shame...

 

[ttwtt78640]

We pay taxes to keep them from wandering the desert, not to feed and medicate them.

Nope, that would be immoral.

 

[DH Kirkwood]

So . . . what's wrong with critisizing BOTH the father and DHS? I see a lot of people wanting to emphasize one over the other, and I'm not sure that both could be equally blamed, but can we agree that it's pretty messed up that this girl died of dehydration whilst in custody of officials AND that the father is to blame for letting her get into such a state in the first place? Is that hard? Is this just too big of a partisan hurdle to leap over?

#It'sTooEarlyForDebatePoliticsBull****

 

[mike2810]

Okay, young girl dies because father sought a better life=no sympathy. Got it.

Let me ask, if you were a parent seeking a better life, would you not check into the risks before putting your family in danger?
How many years does the US have to advertise that crossing the desert is dangerous?

I feel bad for the child and for the parents making a bad choice.

As far as what happened when the parents first encountered the BP. If you are claiming the BP did not provide adequate treatment, that is yours to prove.

 

[SLC]

I feel sorry for the girl she had no choice in what her parents did. I feel sorry for the family that lost her. No family should ever have to bury a child. Its a terrible terrible thing. I think the UNITED STATES is somewhat at fault not because of what the Border Patrol did or didn't do. We don't know all the facts there yet. The US is at fault because our border is too easy to cross and attracts people to try to illegally cross into the US rather than attempting to enter legally. Its very dangerous to try to cross illegally into the United States. Aliens die each year trying to cross the desert, trying to cross the Rio Grande, Try to cross a major canal in California, locked in semi trucks and on the trip through Mexico. We need to secure our borders to discourage the attempt to illegally cross into the United States. We should have solved this problem long ago.

 

[joko104]

So . . . what's wrong with critisizing BOTH the father and DHS? I see a lot of people wanting to emphasize one over the other, and I'm not sure that both could be equally blamed, but can we agree that it's pretty messed up that this girl died of dehydration whilst in custody of officials AND that the father is to blame for letting her get into such a state in the first place? Is that hard? Is this just too big of a partisan hurdle to leap over?

#It'sTooEarlyForDebatePoliticsBull****

Criticized for what? Not going into Mexico to escort people across the desert into the USA? Not sending everyone south of our border free airline tickets to San Diego?

 

[jimbo]

Nope, each CBP unit should be capable of rendering immediate aid to as many illegal immigrants as might be encountered having been wandering in the desert for two days. After all, this is why we pay taxes.

Your post makes no sense. First, if I'm expecting 5 guests for dinner and 50 show up, chances are there will not be enough food to feed everybody.

Second, this is not the reason we pay taxes.

 

[Mach]

No, the young girl died because the father was stupid enough to bring her through a desert without adequate water and protection.

Nope. Americans detained her, and she died in their custody.
Have you no decency?

 

[DH Kirkwood]

Criticized for what? Not going into Mexico to escort people across the desert into the USA? Not sending everyone south of our border free airline tickets to San Diego?

How about a bottle of water?

Don't pull this insane strawman bull**** with me, Joko. I'm fine with border-security, and never said a damned thing towards enabling would-be illegal immigrants. No, I don't want to fly migrants over the border, but I do expect people in our custody to recieve adequate care, and to, you know, not die because of anything that might happen on our end of things. That's already a large part of what border security actually does, and they should be prepared for this sort of thing.

The father is to blame for the choice he made, but this little girl is not, and I don't think I'm wrong for saying that we could have handled a situtation like that better. **** your flying immigrants over the border nonsense.