Get A Damn Job!

[KevinKohler]

Some will say cost of living was cheaper then. You have to ask some who are supporting the "living wage".

A do agree with the OP it is time workers return to work. It is a good time to seek a higher paying job if they are qualified.

Well, I'll tell you, covid has done wonders for pay rates for retail workers in CT. At my company, starting rates have gone up almost 2 dollars, in the past year. Accross the board. A new hire coming with exp, someone we might have brought on at 13, we now are bringing in at 15. Someone with a specialized skill set, like meat cutting, or forklift operating, might have been 18 or so, now coming in at over 20. And the folks already employed and now "underpaid" have solid leverage to ask for more. I haven't denied a single request for pay increase this past year. Hell, one woman just got an extra 7k per year added to her salary.

This tells me that my company, and others like it...can AFFORD to pay more, but haven't, because we haven't HAD to. Till now.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

Trickle up has not worked, just as trickle down has not worked. The problem is not something that money can fix, that's why neither of those approaches works. The problem is mental. It is a way of life that people accept. Many of the poor are just plain comfortable doing the least they can do to earn just enough to get by with. If they can do as little as possible and eat bologna sandwiches with chips, twinkies, and a coke that is what they do. Why work harder or do something more to put a steak on the table? I have managed low wage employees in several different areas of the country people all of my life and know many others who have managed low wage people all of their lives, all over the country and we all notice the very same thing. Whenever these people have a chance to get ahead in life they don't take it because if they do as little as they can they can survive on baked beans and hot dogs and living in that section 8 apartment and taking the bus. They know how to get by but they don't know how to get ahead, even when they can. I have owned my own business for the last 20 years and it is always the same. I can offer more work to just about anyone who wants it but all they want is the bare minimum to get by because having $1,000 in the bank seems to be some kind of a sin so they turn more work down because they are already making enough to get by.

Your anecdotal rant has nothing to do with demand-side economics, a.k.a. trickle-up. The point of trickle-up economics is not to impose your moral judgement regarding how ambitious you think people ought to be. It is about efficiency in the circulation of the economy.

Like you said, 'having $1,000 in the bank seems to be some kind of a sin' so the stimulus checks or unemployment checks or whatever those people get isn't getting siphoned out of the economy into some tax-sheltered account in the Cayman Islands. It is getting immediately recirculated back into the economy, which in turn stimulates economic growth.

 

[Glitch]

The lefty media's lies never end and they don't even realize how stupid they sound. Here's an article about how Republican Governors cutting off extra federal unemployment benefits aren't really getting these people to go out looking for jobs. BUT these poor people are hurting and can't pay their bills now and are having trouble affording food and other basic living necessities, with just about all employers looking for workers. Well, no duh! Get A Damn Job! The left want to let them keep not working even when jobs are available and pay them enough money to live on.

How GOP governors are hurting their own citizens

Republican governors axing federal jobless benefits have ignored legitimate hardships in their states as millions of displaced workers try to get back on their feet.

www.yahoo.com

What you should be asking is: Where does the US Constitution grant the federal government the authority to spend a single penny of taxpayer dollars on unemployment?

If you can't answer that question then the federal government does not have the authority and is in fact deliberately violating the US Constitution by issuing unemployment benefits.

Only the States have the constitutional authority to issue any kind of unemployment benefits, not the federal government.

 

[Glitch]

Somehow it worked in the 60s. My dad worked a minimum wage job, full time, and could afford rent without room mates, food, transportation, and even the occasional bit of entertainment.

Why were we able to do this then, but not now?

No, he could not. So why are you lying?

Minimum wage was $1.15 until 1964, and then raised to $1.25 in 1965. In 1968 the minimum wage was increased again to $1.60/hour, which is the equivalent today to $10.69/hour.

I was working for minimum wage during the 1960s, and there was no way I could have lived anywhere else but at home with my parents.

 

[KevinKohler]

No, he could not. So why are you lying?

Minimum wage was $1.15 until 1964, and then raised to $1.25 in 1965. In 1968 the minimum wage was increased again to $1.60/hour, which is the equivalent today to $10.69/hour.

I was working for minimum wage during the 1960s, and there was no way I could have lived anywhere else but at home with my parents.

I have your word (that I don't distrust) and my dad's.

He said he lived in NY, worked fulltime at a bakery for minimum wage, could afford a place to rent, food, etc.

 

[Court Jester]

Work is out there Folks. Get a job.

My son is currently interviewing with three different companies for a job. They are all offering not only a much higher pay and compensation package than a year ago, all are also offering signing bonuses. One of the companies told my son, that even if he doesn't choose them, to stay in touch, and consider working as a part time contractor any hours he may wish, even if he takes a different offer.

I was astounded to hear this. Over a year ago he was having difficulty despite a masters degree in two fields finding work. I don't think everyone died with covid, but clearly a lot do not want to go back to work who could. With pent up demand in almost all fields right now, it is a workers market out there. Carpe diem!

 

[gbg3]

I have never in my life seen so many help wanted signs!!!!!!!!! Even the help wanted signs are offering application incentives. It's so weird and, clearly, there is no logical balance at all.

 

[Moderate Right]

What you should be asking is: Where does the US Constitution grant the federal government the authority to spend a single penny of taxpayer dollars on unemployment?

If you can't answer that question then the federal government does not have the authority and is in fact deliberately violating the US Constitution by issuing unemployment benefits.

Only the States have the constitutional authority to issue any kind of unemployment benefits, not the federal government.

I don't know the nuts and bolts of it all but I am an employer and I have to pay not only state unemployment taxes but I also have to pay a small yearly fee to the federal government for federal unemployment insurance.

 

[KevinKohler]

My son is currently interviewing with three different companies for a job. They are all offering not only a much higher pay and compensation package than a year ago, all are also offering signing bonuses. One of the companies told my son, that even if he doesn't choose them, to stay in touch, and consider working as a part time contractor any hours he may wish, even if he takes a different offer.

I was astounded to hear this. Over a year ago he was having difficulty despite a masters degree in two fields finding work. I don't think everyone died with covid, but clearly a lot do not want to go back to work who could. With pent up demand in almost all fields right now, it is a workers market out there. Carpe diem!

I secured another 13k per year...and frankly, I was already pretty decently paid. Like...I have/had no complaints about pay...which is rare, I know.

 

[Glitch]

I have your word (that I don't distrust) and my dad's.

He said he lived in NY, worked fulltime at a bakery for minimum wage, could afford a place to rent, food, etc.

You can still look up for yourself the minimum wages and the rents in New York during the 1960s to determine the truth of the matter. I started working for Dekalb in Nebraska in 1968 "detassling" corn. I would only be in the field for 8 hours, but it would take an hour or more to get to and from the fields for which we were not paid. Which made most days 10 to 11 hours long. Even in 1968 Nebraska $9.60/day after federal taxes was not a lot of money, and that does not even include New York's State taxes.

 

[noonereal]

Gee, I wonder what people did before the easier access to unemployment benefits plus the added Federal bonus money all due to Covid-19 shut-downs?

Oh yeah, THEY FOUND WORK, even if it wasn't what they wanted, but paid the bills until they found a better job, that's what.

I have very little sympathy for people who are boo-hooing over not being able to get Federal benefits anymore.

Work is out there Folks. Get a job.

How about the deplorables get vaccinated and then people will rush to get jobs.

The deplorables are killing the economy. Literally and figuratively.

 

[Glitch]

I don't know the nuts and bolts of it all but I am an employer and I have to pay not only state unemployment taxes but I also have to pay a small yearly fee to the federal government for federal unemployment insurance.

Very true. The federal unemployment insurance was enacted into law with the equally unconstitutional Social Security Act of 1935. Only the States have the constitutional authority to establish something like unemployment insurance. The federal government was never given any such authority by the US Constitution.

 

[noonereal]

Very true. The federal unemployment insurance was enacted into law with the equally unconstitutional Social Security Act of 1935. Only the States have the constitutional authority to establish something like unemployment insurance. The federal government was never given any such authority by the US Constitution.

Well, seems the courts disagree with you.

No surprise.

I guess we could say your post is completely wrong and ignorant.

 

[Glitch]

Well, seems the courts disagree with you.

No surprise.

I guess we could say your post is completely wrong and ignorant.

No, they don't actually. You need to read United States v. Butler, 297 U.S. 1 (1936) and get a clue.

Primary Holding
The spending power does not allow Congress to regulate matters clearly reserved to the states by using taxation as a pretext for indirect control.

Which is why FDR completely replaced all nine Supreme Court justices between 1937 and 1943, because that is what leftist fascist socialists do. Anyone who disagreed with FDR or was an obstacle in achieving his goal, was removed.

 

[Roger Duke]

It's really not that hard to figure out.....Joe Biden buying votes.

 

[holbritter]

Weird how supply and demand are so goddamned important until the market forces start driving wages up. Suddenly you think the idea is absurd.

The enhanced unemployment is having little to no effect on people choosing to return to work or not.

Places offering $15/hour are having no trouble filling positions.

Yes they are. There are plenty of help wanted signs around where I live, and they all are paying $15.

 

[holbritter]

Wait staff get paid enough to live on?

Yeah...raise the minimum for wait staff and get rid of tipping!

 

[goldkam]

Yeah...raise the minimum for wait staff and get rid of tipping!

Absolutely. The entire tipping situation is getting out of hand. Tipping has been morphed from a kind gesture to staff for their service into a necessity for them to put food on the table.

 

[bongsaway]

Nobody gives the rich anything to motivate them. The rich gives the politicians stuff to motivate them to help raise their profits. It's a win-win situation that's been going on for more than 40 years.

And nobody is talking about "the poor". The OP is talking about people who don't want to work because the government makes sure they aren't poor.

A win-win for whom? Not the average working american that's for sure but for some reason or other the republicans like to keep the top ten percent, the top ten percent. Go figure?

 

[bongsaway]

Biden let the cat out of the bagwhen he suggested, during his recent fake ‘town hall’, that the ‘solution’ was for employers to raise their pay (by more than $300/week?) to entice folks (now being paid more not to work) to return to work.

I think what the average working person is saying is we are sick of being underpaid. You don't want to pay us more, fine, do it all yourself.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I think what the average working person is saying is we are sick of being underpaid. You don't want to pay us more, fine, do it all yourself.

Perhaps not - see post #15. You make it seem that once UI (and/or the federal UI bonus) runs out that many folks will not then seek those ‘low paying’ jobs.

 

[Razoo]

Face it $33,000 a year is NOT enough to live on ....... $64,500 would be enough to live on and that will not allow for a second home in the mountains or on a lake.

 

[Razoo]

What the conservatives have not noticed a lot of new self employed have surface after realizing USA business people will not keep them employed when the going gets tough for the over rated and over paid CEO's.

The service industry has a lot of new self employed faces is what I see so I assume it has become the new rage throughout the USA. More money can be made and more time for oneself can be arranged.

I say all middle class folks best have three income sources to survive almost comfortably. If one asset disappears at least one or two will still be on the table. Three GOOD part time sources could work very well it seems so says hindsight. My children are keeping this thought in mind.

OR ELSE BE YOUR OWN BOSS!!!!!

 

[ModG23]

A win-win for whom? Not the average working american that's for sure but for some reason or other the republicans like to keep the top ten percent, the top ten percent. Go figure?

The top 10% contribute to the GOP to keep wages low and keep them in office. Unless the bottom 90% decide they need to work together for better wages for their labor the GOP will keep their thumbs on them.

 

[ttwtt78640]

What the conservatives have not noticed a lot of new self employed have surface after realizing USA business people will not keep them employed when the going gets tough for the over rated and over paid CEO's.

The service industry has a lot of new self employed faces is what I see so I assume it has become the new rage throughout the USA. More money can be made and more time for oneself can be arranged.

I say all middle class folks best have three income sources to survive almost comfortably. If one asset disappears at least one or two will still be on the table. Three GOOD part time sources could work very well it seems so says hindsight. My children are keeping this thought in mind.

OR ELSE BE YOUR OWN BOSS!!!!!

That is why I decided to become a self-employed handyman. I get to pick my job sites thus reducing unpaid ‘windshield time’ and allowing someone else to make (take?) a good share of what my labor is worth.

Of course, that also means that my income depends heavily on having repeat customers and their referrals. It also means that I must supply all of the necessary tools and equipment and (occasionally) hire help.