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Germany's birth rate drops

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Births in Germany are down, while its population ages. It's a similar trend in other countries. A new study predicts a dramatic reduction in the population in most countries by the end of the century.
Germany′s birth rate drops, confirming dramatic predictions for the whole world | Germany| News and in-depth reporting from Berlin and beyond | DW | 31.07.2020

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Combining work with raising a family is a major challenge for young women.

It looks like the need to increase young immigrant families will be needed in many European Union countries to fill the jobs in a healthy economy and to care for an aging population. Especially hurting are Italy and Spain.
 
Germans had a TFR of 1.43, only marginally below that of 2018 (1.45). But it was only 1.36 in Japan in 2019. The lowest-ever TFR in Germany was at 1.3, which was recorded shortly after reunification. Given high youth unemployment rates in the EU, which are over 50% in Spain and Greece, not having too many children is a rational choice. Good jobs are getting scarce nowadays due to industrial automation to replace a human being with a machine.
 
What do you expect from a society with such ideas:
The Estonian President presents the award to the writer Mikka Pärnits (the one with the flowers) who stating:
"The traditional family is the most dangerous place for a child.".

my angel song
 
I'm Aryan, I could help out. Already have 4 kids, so I know I can get it done.
 
Germans had a TFR of 1.43, only marginally below that of 2018 (1.45). But it was only 1.36 in Japan in 2019. The lowest-ever TFR in Germany was at 1.3, which was recorded shortly after reunification. Given high youth unemployment rates in the EU, which are over 50% in Spain and Greece, not having too many children is a rational choice. Good jobs are getting scarce nowadays due to industrial automation to replace a human being with a machine.
There are low-paying and low-prestige jobs which European youth will not do such as caring for the post WWII baby boomers who are pensioners now or working in slaughterhouses. Immigrants will do this work. There are also professional occupations which are short-staffed such as nurses and medical doctors. Again, educated immigrants are needed. A healthy economy will also meet the challenges of a changing technology.
 
Religious people have lots of babies.
 
Yep, happens when women are treated as breeding machines instead of human beings.


The women don't see it that way. A lot of women are pro family.


It's a bigoted thing for you to say, come to think of it.
 
The women don't see it that way. A lot of women are pro family.


It's a bigoted thing for you to say, come to think of it.

Its called brainwashing... And a woman can be pro family, but in religious communities they are taught that this is their duty and their only future... THAT is the problem. Women in religious communities have very little choice.
 
Its called brainwashing... And a woman can be pro family, but in religious communities they are taught that this is their duty and their only future... THAT is the problem. Women in religious communities have very little choice.

Mmm...not exactly. While certainly not a fundamentalist, I've known a few, and it's not like that at all. Rather, I would compare it to the old "keeping up with the Joneses" mentality.

At least in North America, anyway....not sure what you guys are doing in Denmark. :)
 
The women don't see it that way. A lot of women are pro family.


It's a bigoted thing for you to say, come to think of it.

Allowing women to decide how many children they have is pro family.
 
What do you expect from a society with such ideas:
The Estonian President presents the award to the writer Mikka Pärnits (the one with the flowers) who stating:
"The traditional family is the most dangerous place for a child.".

my angel song

You do know we were talking about Germany? Not Estonia so the comment "what do you expect from a society with such ideas" clearly has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
 
There are low-paying and low-prestige jobs which European youth will not do such as caring for the post WWII baby boomers who are pensioners now or working in slaughterhouses. Immigrants will do this work. There are also professional occupations which are short-staffed such as nurses and medical doctors. Again, educated immigrants are needed. A healthy economy will also meet the challenges of a changing technology.

Sadly our youth has been spoiled rotten. Working manual jobs for an honest wage? Nope, not for me.

It was that arrogant attitude that caused the need for work migration to begin with. The right wing Dutch government were the worst offenders in this issue. Rather than getting Moroccan workers from the more educated and more Western parts of Morocco the right wing government looked for the cheapest labor force they could hire. Most of them not able to speak anything but Moroccan or sometimes French and sadly most of the illiterate and not really educated. They were from the Rif region of Morocco.

In the infinite stupidity, the Dutch right wing government had the incredibly smart idea to hire them with the plan to kick them back to Morocco when they were no longer needed. Sadly for the right wing government that did not happen. They kept living in the Netherlands, and due to illiteracy and low education they had problems learning the Dutch language. Mandatory language lessons, again in the infinite wisdom of our right wing government was a waste of time and money as they would be returning back to Morocco soon enough, so there you had badly adjusted, low education, almost or completely illiterate Moroccans living in the poorest parts of town, working their asses off and working hard.

Dutch people then started getting unemployment issues, but the Moroccan employees had been good workers so the grand scheme of the Dutch right wing government to let them go back did not work. The Moroccan people liked it here, they were sending out for their wives and children to come and live here. Another bad choice as they too were not forced into Dutch language lessons.

The Turkish who were somewhat higher educated could have been prime candidates for mandatory Dutch lessons but sadly due to an EU agreement, the Dutch government could not do this. So now you had 2 groups who were not greatly integrated and unable to speak or learn Dutch.

Their children, some born there most born here started going to school. They were having problems keeping up at school. Their parents at home only spoke Arabic or French/Turkish and their writing/reading/comprehension skills were keeping them back at school massively. Then there was the discrimination issue and the stubborn headed Dutch who were like:

INTEGRATE NOW!!!!!! No, we are not going to be welcoming or open our arms and doors for you, we do nothing, you do everything or we will ignore and discriminate you!!!!

That unwelcoming attitude was prevalent in parents and was also transferred to their kids, leading to loads of young Moroccan and Turkish kids who were caught between a rock an a hard place. Their parents trying to hold on to the old language and old traditions and the kids wanting to life a bit more like Dutch children but also not welcomed by Dutch children and parents due to inherent racism.

There is nothing wrong with taking in migrants but learn from the Right wing Dutch government of the 1970's. Make sure people get to learn the language and make integrating them into the Dutch society ASAP.
 
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