Germany suspends decision on Nord Stream 2 again

[Juin]

Putin has already shut off the flow of gas to Germany and Europe that transits pipelines through Poland.

How is that NOT consistent with what you, Ukraine, Poland want? Zelensky has stated publicly over and over his objections to business with Russia, as that in his view is sending funds to Russia for its armies; furthermore Zelensky has called for destructive sanctions on Russia.

Secondly, you, Poland, Ukraine have also called for killing of Nord Stream 2. Nord Stream 2 is dead. No gas to Europe from Russia. On that score Zelensky has been successful. And it makes sense. Russia cannot sell gas through Nord Stream 2. Meaning no income for Russia.

Clearly Yamal-Poland-Europe and Yamal-Ukraine-Europe are serving exactly the same function as Nord Stream 2: providing Russian gas to Europe, which sales provide funding for Russian Armies. Killing both pipelines will severely limit Russian gas deliveries to Europe, and therefore negatively impact Russian income.

What is your explanation for killing Nord Stream 2, while objecting to Putin killing Yamal-Europe? There is a disconnect there. And you did not address that disconnect.

Putin and the Kremlin Krime Mafia did that more than a week ago. It's their choice and decision exclusively.

It is also consistent with what you want. You dont want Europe to buy Russian gas, Putin is shutting down Yamal-Poland. So what exactly is your beef?

Gas pipelines through Ukraine have been operating at 30% capacity for several months, beginning during the summer when Putin also stopped replenishing Ukraine's numerous and massive underground reserve tanks that are the most numerous and have the greatest capacity in all of Europe. This action is the sole choice and decision of Moscow exclusively.

It is also consistent with your demands. Both actions: reduction of gas transit through Ukraine and non use of Ukrainian gas storage means less income for Russia. That is exactly what you, Ukraine and Poland want; so exactly what is your beef?

 

[Tangmo]

What is your explanation for killing Nord Stream 2, while objecting to Putin killing Yamal-Europe? There is a disconnect there. And you did not address that disconnect.

It is also consistent with what you want. You dont want Europe to buy Russian gas, Putin is shutting down Yamal-Poland. So what exactly is your beef?

; so exactly what is your beef?

Putin needs to be shipped out to the North Pole where he can run a snow blower for Santa. Learn to wear a bow tie. Siberia would be fine instead too.

Putin is driving hard into the past, trying to reestablish for the Russian Federation the former sphere of influence of the defunct USSR Soviet Union he used to work for in its KGB. You've likely heard of or perhaps remember as I and some others remember the Hungary uprising of 1956 and the Prague Spring of 1968; the Soviet Russian armed forces forming up at the border of Poland to remove Solidarity but being headed off -- stopped -- to include by the great influence of the Polish Pope, John-Paul II. Putin's Grand Design is on Ukraine.

My bolded is your perspiring imagination that is wrong. The posture of the United States as leader of NATO is that Germany needs to accept that the bloc would buy at least equal amounts of Russian natural gas and American liquified natural gas. This arrangement among NATO allies would remove Russian dominance of the European gas import market. It would stop the mutually eager Russo-Germany Geostrategic Axis of Energy.

Indeed virtually all nations of Europe and EU -- including NATO led by the USA -- oppose the Russo-German Axis of NS2. A number of European countries do receive USA LNG, many new LNG conversion plants are being constructed and more contracts are constantly being written to receive USA LNG; Greek shipping magnates just ordered up construction of 33 new LNG transport tankers. Virtually everyone except for Germany most prominently where the Russian State Captured elites of Berlin -- led by Gerhard Schroederovsky in St. Petersburg -- oppose NS2 and Russian dominance of Europe hand in hand with the willing and eager German industrialists.

The long and the short of it is that Putin is trying to repeat Germany's errors of the 1930s Europe by changing its borders by force. Putin is determined to overturn the delicate and sensitive status quo that has existed since the end of WW II. Indeed, Putin is demanding a redo by Russia of Europe ca. 1920-40 and the USSR and its satellite nations 1945-91.

 

[Juin]

Putin needs to be shipped out to the North Pole where he can run a snow blower for Santa. Learn to wear a bow tie. Siberia would be fine instead too.

Putin is driving hard into the past, trying to reestablish for the Russian Federation the former sphere of influence of the defunct USSR Soviet Union he used to work for in its KGB. You've likely heard of or perhaps remember as I and some others remember the Hungary uprising of 1956 and the Prague Spring of 1968; the Soviet Russian armed forces forming up at the border of Poland to remove Solidarity but being headed off -- stopped -- to include by the great influence of the Polish Pope, John-Paul II. Putin's Grand Design is on Ukraine.

My bolded is your perspiring imagination that is wrong. The posture of the United States as leader of NATO is that Germany needs to accept that the bloc would buy at least equal amounts of Russian natural gas and American liquified natural gas. This arrangement among NATO allies would remove Russian dominance of the European gas import market. It would stop the mutually eager Russo-Germany Geostrategic Axis of Energy.

Indeed virtually all nations of Europe and EU -- including NATO led by the USA -- oppose the Russo-German Axis of NS2. A number of European countries do receive USA LNG, many new LNG conversion plants are being constructed and more contracts are constantly being written to receive USA LNG; Greek shipping magnates just ordered up construction of 33 new LNG transport tankers. Virtually everyone except for Germany most prominently where the Russian State Captured elites of Berlin -- led by Gerhard Schroederovsky in St. Petersburg -- oppose NS2 and Russian dominance of Europe hand in hand with the willing and eager German industrialists.

The long and the short of it is that Putin is trying to repeat Germany's errors of the 1930s Europe by changing its borders by force. Putin is determined to overturn the delicate and sensitive status quo that has existed since the end of WW II. Indeed, Putin is demanding a redo by Russia of Europe ca. 1920-40 and the USSR and its satellite nations 1945-91.

Stop rambling and address the fundamental disconnect in your contradicting positions:

Its same Russian gas heading to Germany.

1. Why do you prefer same Russian gas transiting to Germany through Ukraine but not through Nord Stream 2?

2. Since at the end of the day the idea is to end European dependency on Russian gas, bankrupting Russia as a result, it is logical to kill both Nord Stream 2 and Yamal-Ukraine-Germany/Yamal-Poland-Germany. Why do you want to keep Russia solvent by insisting that Russia transit gas through Ukraine?

It is a simple question, bro

 

[Tangmo]

Stop rambling and address the fundamental disconnect in your contradicting positions:

Its same Russian gas heading to Germany.

1. Why do you prefer same Russian gas transiting to Germany through Ukraine but not through Nord Stream 2?

2. Since at the end of the day the idea is to end European dependency on Russian gas, bankrupting Russia as a result, it is logical to kill both Nord Stream 2 and Yamal-Ukraine-Germany/Yamal-Poland-Germany. Why do you want to keep Russia solvent by insisting that Russia transit gas through Ukraine?

It is a simple question, bro

You're off in your own world on this. You're compounding the nonsense of your one pony show by repeatedly trying to create a contradiction and "disconnect" where none exists.

Because it's very straightforward.

Putin back during the 00 years strong armed central Asian former Soviet republics to cease supplying Europe with their gas. Putin and the Kremlin Krime Mafia set out back then to establish a gas and energy monopoly against Europe.

After the Kremlin shut off the flow of gas through Ukraine at least twice on pretenses the Kremlin moved on to Nord Stream -- 1&2. The pre Crimea and Donbas NS 1 went exactly according to the plan. Post Crimea and Donbas however, NS2 met strong opposition throughout Europe and in the USA.

Post Crimea and Donbas plus Putin's pseudo history speeches about Novorossiya, ie, Putin's New Russia, it was unmistakably obvious the place he calls "Little Russia," or Ukraine became his major target to reestablish a neo imperial Russia sphere of influence in an age when sphere of influence and revanchist imperatives are fully rejected by NATO for one and by Europeans due to their miserable historical experience with it, culminated by their 20th century industrial horrors of the 1930s into the mid 1940s.

So we see what a bag of contorted confusion your shallow posts are.

 

[Juin]

You're off in your own world on this. You're compounding the nonsense of your one pony show by repeatedly trying to create a contradiction and "disconnect" where none exists.

Because it's very straightforward.

Putin back during the 00 years strong armed central Asian former Soviet republics to cease supplying Europe with their gas. Putin and the Kremlin Krime Mafia set out back then to establish a gas and energy monopoly against Europe.

After the Kremlin shut off the flow of gas through Ukraine at least twice on pretenses the Kremlin moved on to Nord Stream -- 1&2. The pre Crimea and Donbas NS 1 went exactly according to the plan. Post Crimea and Donbas however, NS2 met strong opposition throughout Europe and in the USA.

Post Crimea and Donbas plus Putin's pseudo history speeches about Novorossiya, ie, Putin's New Russia, it was unmistakably obvious the place he calls "Little Russia," or Ukraine became his major target to reestablish a neo imperial Russia sphere of influence in an age when sphere of influence and revanchist imperatives are fully rejected by NATO for one and by Europeans due to their miserable historical experience with it, culminated by their 20th century industrial horrors of the 1930s into the mid 1940s.

So we see what a bag of contorted confusion your shallow posts are.

You are trying to hard to avoid a simple disconnect in your positions:

1. Why do you care how Russia delivers gas to Germany?

2. You may be against Germany doing business with Germany, as income to Russia from that business builds the Russsian military. That makes sense but it leads to the second question: if that is the case shutting down Nord Stream 2 does that. It also goes without saying that that goes for Ukraine's pipelines as well. Why would you want Ukrainian pipelines to transit Russian gas to Germany?


Please, try to limit your response to those two questions.

 

[Tangmo]

You are trying to hard to avoid a simple disconnect in your positions:

1. Why do you care how Russia delivers gas to Germany?

2. You may be against Germany doing business with Germany, as income to Russia from that business builds the Russsian military. That makes sense but it leads to the second question: if that is the case shutting down Nord Stream 2 does that. It also goes without saying that that goes for Ukraine's pipelines as well. Why would you want Ukrainian pipelines to transit Russian gas to Germany?


Please, try to limit your response to those two questions.

This is not therapy.

Nor are you a shrink who directs some kind of treatment inside an artificial box for some kind of supposed malady.

Nor is this an interrogation characterized by pointed questions that pursue some sort of penalty.

Make arguments and engage in discussion and discourse instead plse thx. I suggest this because despite your perfect record of failure in these respects I do believe you can manage to say something credible and normal no matter how long it may take and despite how imperfect it may be.

Carry On.

 

[Juin]

This is not therapy.

Nor are you a shrink who directs some kind of treatment inside an artificial box for some kind of supposed malady.

Nor is this an interrogation characterized by pointed questions that pursue some sort of penalty.

Make arguments and engage in discussion and discourse instead plse thx. I suggest this because despite your perfect record of failure in these respects I do believe you can manage to say something credible and normal no matter how long it may take and despite how imperfect it may be.

Carry On.

Its a simple question. There is a disconnect in your positions. Why do you advocate for shutting down one gas pipeline and not the other?

 

[Tangmo]

Its a simple question. There is a disconnect in your positions. Why do you advocate for shutting down one gas pipeline and not the other?

I've been on this case of the Russo-German NS2 pipeline since 2019. Whatever posts of mine you may have read since you came along mean nothing to you. If you read 'em, you read 'em in one ear and out the other ear.

You've never said "I stand corrected," such as when you said erroneously I wanted to stop all Russian gas to Europe. It still doesn't matter I corrected you to re-re-reiterate the US wants Europe to balance its gas imports equally from Russia and the USA instead of Russia so much and USA LNG so little yet ever increasing, except for Germany due to its Axis with Russia.

Even a newcomer to the topic would likely know Ukraine would lose $3bn to $4bn annually on gas transit fees from Russia and that if Russia can shut down or reduce significantly the flow of gas from Russia to Europe via Ukraine then a Russian military escalation offensive against Putin's "Little Russia" would be much more likely. It's why the Russo-German Axis of Geostrategic Energy conceived and built Nord Stream 1&2 which I've already discussed and which you undoubtedly missed too along with everything else I post on topic.

Which leaves you as the Riddler asking anew questions that were answered already many many months and moons ago. So it doesn't help that you're a novice in these matters. It's also why you have a steady stream of sophomoric questions that appear regularly and in one form or another.

 

[Tangmo]

The Ampere coalition's minister of economy and energy Habeck is Greens coleader who visited the front lines in Ukraine during the federal election campaign where he called for Germany to supply "defensive weapons" to the beleaguered and fractured country that chooses the West over Russia and rejects the equally authoritarian East out to the Pacific.

Nord Stream 2 may be blocked due to Russian threats to Ukraine, German Economy Minister​

German Minister of Economy and Climate Protection Robert Habeck who is also vice chancellor said that the Nord Stream-2 project could be stopped due to Russian threats to Ukraine, as is reported today by UA with reference to DW.


According to Robert Habeck, the issue of launching the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline should be in accordance with the law, but due to threats from Russia, the project may be blocked. "Politics should be focused on political issues, and they should be analyzed in terms of foreign policy and geopolitics. Given the situation in eastern Ukraine and the build-up of Russian troops there, we will have to make political decisions on what sanctions can be applied in the event of a new acute conflict,” Habek said. The Minister of Economy suggests the possibility of stopping the project due to threats to Ukraine.

Nord Stream 2 may be blocked due to Russian threats to Ukraine, German Economy Minister - Freedom

German Minister of Economy and Climate Protection Robert Habeck said that the ...

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The three coalition parties Greens and the Free Democrats led by the SPD have a compromise signed agreement on NS2 that yields to regulators in Berlin and Brussels to demolish determine the fate of the pipeline. While Chancellor Scholz sticks to this rehearsed tact of laws and regulators Habeck and Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock who are Greens party coleaders hammer that any significant Russian military action against Ukraine would jeopardize Putin's Pet Pipeline Project. On this point all three coalition leaders are singing from the same music sheet.

Baerbock has also been pounding the table about German and EU laws that place certification requirements on Putin's Gazprom/NS2 they can't meet as we hear background howls of "bankruptcy" and "investment ruin" from the Russo-German Geostrategic Axis and its natural gas consortium that includes 5 European corporate investors who committed EUR 1bn each to the EUR 10bn project. Indeed, not only has Gazprom put in the additional EUR 5bn but it also guaranteed each investor's EUR 1bn. Which leaves Gazprom standing there holding the bag for the entire EUR 10bn plus its cost overruns due to sanctions delays and the German regulators suspending the certification processes on legal grounds Gazprom is failing to meet.

A delegation of the German Bundestag, led by the Greens co-chair Robert Habeck, at center in black, visited the Joint Forces Operation area on May 25. Habeck called for Germany to provide "defensive weapons" to Ukraine against Russian forces positioned inside the sovereign country. The Merkel government dismissed the idea. The foreign guests were accompanied by Deputy Commander of the Joint Forces, Major General Eduard Moskaliov.

 

[Chagos]

What's all this Ampere coalition reference about?

Nobody else calls it that, least of all in Germany.

 

[Fledermaus]

Its a simple question. There is a disconnect in your positions. Why do you advocate for shutting down one gas pipeline and not the other?

Tangmo is being Tangmo.

He will use 5,000 words to say nothing in response to your question.....

 

[Juin]

I've been on this case of the Russo-German NS2 pipeline since 2019. Whatever posts of mine you may have read since you came along mean nothing to you. If you read 'em, you read 'em in one ear and out the other ear.

You've never said "I stand corrected," such as when you said erroneously I wanted to stop all Russian gas to Europe.

It's not so much that you said any such thing. It is more a matter of reconciling your positions. Not your personal positions anyways, more the larger pro Ukrainian positions. The pro Ukrainian advocates demand maximisation of sanctions on Russia, stopping all EU purchases of Russian gas is as maximum as one can get. Do you agree with that? If not, why would you want the EU to keep funding the Armies of the Russian Federation through gas purchases?

It still doesn't matter I corrected you to re-re-reiterate the US wants Europe to balance its gas imports equally from Russia and the USA instead of Russia so much and USA LNG so little yet ever increasing, except for Germany due to its Axis with Russia.

That makes no sense. The EU buys Russian gas because it is abundant and cheap. The EU will gladly buy US gas if the US can beat the Russian Dictator's prices.

Even a newcomer to the topic would likely know Ukraine would lose $3bn to $4bn annually on gas transit fees from Russia and that if Russia can shut down or reduce significantly the flow of gas from Russia to Europe via Ukraine then a Russian military escalation offensive against Putin's "Little Russia" would be much more likely.

The problem with the first part is that it suggests Ukraine is all for EU purchasing Russian gas- even if the proceeds builds the Army of its nemesis Russia- as long as Ukraine is in on the action; Ukraine doesn't want to be cut out of a lucrative deal. It makes sense. But it is also an admission that Russia is the hand that feeds Ukraine. Why bite the hand that one feeds on?

The second point is correct. The Nord Stream pipelines outflank allow the Russian Dictator to outflank Ukraine. Meaning Putin could assault Ukraine without plunging Europe into a crisis from gas disruption. The strategic goal of Ukraine is to retain its status as transit. But it takes two to tango. It's much better to persuade the Dictator that there is an upside to him from partnership with Ukraine. That clearly Ukraine doesn't want to do. A conflict in Ukraine aims and goals.

Maybe Ukraine may have to come up with its own Ostpolitik that balances and maximises its benefits from EU and the Russian Federation.

It's why the Russo-German Axis of Geostrategic Energy conceived and built Nord Stream 1&2 which I've already discussed and which you undoubtedly missed too along with everything else I post on topic.

It's plain business from the German perspective. The Nord Stream pipelines deliver Russian gas directly to Germany, bypassing difficult middlemen like Ukraine and Poland. Recent Polish accusations on Germany as intending a Fourth Reich only adds to the German conviction that it is wise to avoid crazy folks like the Poles, Ukrainians and the Three Baltic Midgets as middlemen.

Which leaves you as the Riddler asking anew questions that were answered already many many months and moons ago. So it doesn't help that you're a novice in these matters. It's also why you have a steady stream of sophomoric questions that appear regularly and in one form or another.

I must advice you that your real nemesis is the Russian Dictator, not me. He has all the Migs, I have none.

 

[Chagos]

Tangmo is being Tangmo.

He will use 5,000 words to say nothing in response to your question.....

Which, in the spirit of both of who you are referencing and who you are responding to, reminds me of the story where the jury reads to the judge:

Your honor, we find the defendant guilty but we're not too crazy about the plaintiff either.

And, while I'm at it, Happy New Year to ya.

 

[Tangmo]

The pro Ukrainian advocates demand maximisation of sanctions on Russia, stopping all EU purchases of Russian gas is as maximum as one can get. Do you agree with that?

That makes no sense. The EU buys Russian gas because it is abundant and cheap. The EU will gladly buy US gas if the US can beat the Russian Dictator's prices.

The Nord Stream pipelines allow the Russian Dictator to outflank Ukraine. Meaning Putin could assault Ukraine without plunging Europe into a crisis from gas disruption. The strategic goal of Ukraine is to retain its status as transit. But it takes two to tango. It's much better to persuade the Dictator that there is an upside to him from partnership with Ukraine. That clearly Ukraine doesn't want to do. A conflict in Ukraine aims and goals. Maybe Ukraine may have to come up with its own Ostpolitik that balances and maximises its benefits from EU and the Russian Federation.

Pro Ukraine advocates do no such thing, as I've posted a hundred times over the recent years of this very hot issue. The view of the NATO alliance countries is to balance their purchases of Russian gas with new and increased purchases of USA LNG. Market principles would likely mean the price of LNG would come down due to the increased sales volume that would occur. Merkel's Germany obstructed and precluded EU and Europe from beginning to work toward a 50-50 balance in a new gas purchasing policy of Russian/American natural gas.

Yet In geostrategic factors and considerations price is not the only or necessarily the dominant and determining factor. Take for instance US formal mutual defense treaty allies in East and SE Asia, namely Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, to include also most ASEAN nations that border the South China Sea. They shun Russian gas even though Russia is right there to buy it from. None of these US formal treaty allies at the Pacific coast of Asia want to become dependent on Russian gas. So they continue to pay much more -- as in much more -- for energy shipped from the ME and for USA LNG which is naturally more expensive than Russian gas or oil would be. It's a matter of national security and global stability much much more than price alone, or price primarily. Indeed, geostrategic factors include the critical reality of distance, ie, again, Russia being right there on the Pacific-Asian shores, same as or similar to NATO allied nations in Europe having Russia right there for them to connect with as they in fact do and have done for decades going back in time to the German SPD subtle and insidious appeasement policy of Ostpolitik with Soviet Russia circa 1970.

Ukraine some time ago made its geostrategic decision to align with the West led by the USA rather than to continue to be doorman to Russia and other authoritarian regimes from the central Asian states all the way out to the Pacific coast. You and Your Hero Putin need to learn to respect sovereign decisions, that's all.

 

[Tangmo]

Which reminds me of the story where the jury reads to the judge:

Your honor, we find the defendant guilty but we're not too crazy about the plaintiff either.

That and $20 bucks will get you a coffee mocha at any Starbuck's in New York City. Just be sure you have the full 20 bucks with you and not a penny less. The same would be five bucks in Dodge City, Kansas though if you might want to travel out there to the Middle of Nowhere.

Enjoy as you welcome in the New Year of the Ampere Coalition in Germany where the Greens and the Free Democrats are the new sheriffs in town.

Merkel knew well to get out of her Dodge/Berlin before the citizenry rose up to run CDU out of town on a rail which occurred rather famously on Sept. 26th. Five will get you ten btw CDU will never govern in Germany again. This is while SPD under Scholz finally has begun to turn itself away from its decades long appeasement of the Kremlin Krime Mafia and back toward the USA and the West.

As Habeck noted the other day, in all of Europe only Germany and Austria ever had the hots for the illiberal and anti liberal Putin's Pet Pipeline Project of geostrategic manipulation to include Putin's attempted but unsuccessful blackmail of EU and NATO.

 

[Chagos]

Enjoy as you welcome in the New Year of the Ampere Coalition...........................~

Why don't you learn some German or, failing that, at least the real popular monicker of the current coalition there?

 

[Tangmo]

Why don't you learn some German or, failing that, at least the real popular monicker of the current coalition there?

I hope you're not losing any sleep over this.

Cause it would be a shame.

Y'know, Big & Nagging Worries over nothings.

Although it seems to be your usual.

 

[Tangmo]

Action = Reaction.

The market rules, as always.

European allies of the USA are learning the hard way why US allies in the Asia-Pacific and South China Sea rim do not trade in gas from Russia despite Russia being right there and being much much cheaper than energy imported from the ME to include higher priced LNG imported from the United States.

US fellow allies such as Japan and Taiwan and formal strategic partners in the Asia Pacific such as Vietnam decided long ago not to rely on the unstable Russians in the critical geopolitical factor of energy resources. Relying on Russia is not only a risky business, it is a geostrategically dangerous business. So they don't do it.

Indeed Asia Pacific US formal treaty allies to include Strategic Partners rather to rely on the USA for the more expensive LNG and the ME for energy resources, the ME having many not so great governments that are nonetheless responsive to the concerns of their American partners on many important issues to include energy especially.

U.S. LNG exporters turn their attention to Europe​

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US LNG producer Cheniere Energy loaded the largest LNG carrier ever to call at its Sabine Pass terminal in Louisiana, on April 30. Sabine Pass is operating at over capacity with the new demand for urgent energy shipments to Europe due to Putin's continuing and unsuccessful geostrategic campaign to blackmail EU and NATO into accepting Nord Stream 2 immediately and unconditionally. ​

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(Bloomberg) --Cold-stricken Europe is drawing a flotilla of U.S. liquefied natural gas cargoes amid an energy crisis that has sent gas prices to record levels. Out of 76 U.S. LNG cargoes in transit, 10 tankers carrying a combined 1.6 million cubic meters of the heating and power plant fuel have declared destinations in Europe, shipping data compiled by Bloomberg shows. Another 20 tankers carrying an estimated 3.3 million cubic meters appear to be crossing the Atlantic Ocean and are on a path to the continent. Nearly one-third of the cargoes come from Cheniere Energy Inc.’s Sabine Pass LNG export terminal in Louisiana, the shipping data shows. U.S. LNG export terminals are operating at or above capacity after reaching record flows on Sunday. Asia is typically the top destination for U.S. LNG cargoes, but that has changed this winter with the significant premium for gas in Europe.

U.S. LNG exporters turn their attention to Europe

Cold-stricken Europe is drawing a flotilla of U.S. liquefied natural gas cargoes amid an energy crisis that has sent gas prices to record levels.

www.worldoil.com

Greek shipping magnates have just recently ordered up construction of 33 new and ultra modern LNG shipping tankers for the USA to Europe supply route and course. So Putin has burned his lips on the tailpipe while trying to blow up the European energy consumer market. Indeed, Putin is all politics and no business sense. He's driving the Europeans to buy more USA LNG than they're buying already and for US LNG producers with global shipping companies to reorient their business model to accommodate a USA LNG gas flow to Europe as literally a matter of survival.

 

[Juin]

Action = Reaction.

The market rules, as always.

European allies of the USA are learning the hard way why US allies in the Asia-Pacific and South China Sea rim do not trade in gas from Russia despite Russia being right there and being much much cheaper than energy imported from the ME to include higher priced LNG imported from the United States.

US fellow allies such as Japan and Taiwan and formal strategic partners in the Asia Pacific such as Vietnam decided long ago not to rely on the unstable Russians in the critical geopolitical factor of energy resources. Relying on Russia is not only a risky business, it is a geostrategically dangerous business. So they don't do it.

Even if Japan, South Korea, Vietnam wanted to purchase Russian gas, how is the gas supposed to get there? Pipelines carry Russian gas to Germany. Pipelines carry Russian gmas to China. Are there any pipelines to Vietnam?

Business is business. People will buy Russian gas if it is cheaper and available. It seems to me like you want Japan and Vietnam to buy something that is not even available.

 

[Tangmo]

Even if Japan, South Korea, Vietnam wanted to purchase Russian gas, how is the gas supposed to get there? Pipelines carry Russian gas to Germany. Pipelines carry Russian gmas to China. Are there any pipelines to Vietnam?

Business is business. People will buy Russian gas if it is cheaper and available. It seems to me like you want Japan and Vietnam to buy something that is not even available.

Izzat right.

No it's not right.

It's dead wrong. Which is nothing new in your posts to me.


Because my posts are in support of the long standing policy of the US formal mutual defense treaty allies in East Asia and SE Asia of not depending on Russian gas as a major energy resource. The policy exists despite Russia being right there for all of 'em to buy from at far more cheaper cost than their also long standing policy of buying energy more expensively from the ME and their more recent purchases of more expensive LNG from the United States.

Yet you erroneously have me posting that I said US formal allies and formal Strategic Partners at the Pacific Coast of Asia should or need to buy Russian gas via Russian pipelines. This is not the first time you have read a post of mine bass ackwards. Nor is it the second time you've read a post of mine bass ackwards....nor is it only the third time you've read a post of mine bass ackwards.

Rinse & Repeat in fact I'm afraid.

Indeed, your posts are forever saying I said the opposite of what I in fact did say. I posted further that the Europeans are currently learning the hard way what US formal mutual defense treaty allies and formal Strategic Partners in the Asia Pacific knew not to do already. And won't ever do, ie, buy Russian gas. And further, that they won't ever become energy dependent on Russia no matter the lesser price Putin offers 'em in monetary terms. The reason as I've been posting for dozens of months is that geostrategics trump price alone. As the Europeans are finding out in the face of Russia's current and failed campaign of blackmail concerning NS2.

 

[Nilhus]

Here in fact is an offer to read some excellent stuff by the Atlantic Council in Washington which is one of many prestigious partners with Natural Gas World....

Atlantic Council = CIA & Pentagon propaganda
And your posts too, have the same "tone". I don't know if you're just some troll or an employee/contractor in one of these programs

For the record the Russo-German Axis wants control of Europe, the end of NATO and the USA out.

Lots of Europeans want that. The Americans brought only trouble to the EU in the past few decades! Exclusively trouble!
NS2 was built to bring gas to Europe, not for the Americans to try to cancel it and score political points at home in their fight against Russia, while the Europeans pay through their noses exorbitant energy prices - and no, it's not Putin's fault, the contracts were long term until very recently - a change super-likely pushed by Washington through their puppets, for two reasons: 1. to prevent Russia from getting revenue 2. to sell their own much more expensive gas. Guess what? The Europeans - aside from a bunch of retarded "ecologists" - don't want to pay higher prices for gas.
And the idea of demanding spot prices similar to those long term is a bit like switching from long term car rental to daily, and demanding the same price per day as if it were long term. That is, stupid and nonsensical to anyone familiar with a bit of economics.

One more thing you don't seem to understand: most Europeans don't care a lot about Ukraine. No one will rush to have them admitted into the EU. And don't want to pay huge energy prices because of them.

 

[Juin]

Atlantic Council = CIA & Pentagon propaganda
And your posts too, have the same "tone". I don't know if you're just some troll or an employee/contractor in one of these programs


Lots of Europeans want that. The Americans brought only trouble to the EU in the past few decades! Exclusively trouble!
NS2 was built to bring gas to Europe, not for the Americans to try to cancel it and score political points at home in their fight against Russia, while the Europeans pay through their noses exorbitant energy prices - and no, it's not Putin's fault, the contracts were long term until very recently - a change super-likely pushed by Washington through their puppets, for two reasons: 1. to prevent Russia from getting revenue 2. to sell their own much more expensive gas. Guess what? The Europeans - aside from a bunch of retarded "ecologists" - don't want to pay higher prices for gas.
And the idea of demanding spot prices similar to those long term is a bit like switching from long term car rental to daily, and demanding the same price per day as if it were long term. That is, stupid and nonsensical to anyone familiar with a bit of economics.

One more thing you don't seem to understand: most Europeans don't care a lot about Ukraine. No one will rush to have them admitted into the EU. And don't want to pay huge energy prices because of them.

I find the above useful. It's hard to get to the simple fundamentals, hidden as it is under the cloud of ideologically based economics promoted by the likes of Atlantic Council.

The funny thing is the US also buys oil from the evil Russian Federation.

 

[Tangmo]

Atlantic Council = CIA & Pentagon propaganda
And your posts too, have the same "tone". I don't know if you're just some troll or an employee/contractor in one of these programs


Lots of Europeans want that. The Americans brought only trouble to the EU in the past few decades! Exclusively trouble!
NS2 was built to bring gas to Europe, not for the Americans to try to cancel it and score political points at home in their fight against Russia, while the Europeans pay through their noses exorbitant energy prices - and no, it's not Putin's fault, the contracts were long term until very recently - a change super-likely pushed by Washington through their puppets, for two reasons: 1. to prevent Russia from getting revenue 2. to sell their own much more expensive gas. Guess what? The Europeans - aside from a bunch of retarded "ecologists" - don't want to pay higher prices for gas.
And the idea of demanding spot prices similar to those long term is a bit like switching from long term car rental to daily, and demanding the same price per day as if it were long term. That is, stupid and nonsensical to anyone familiar with a bit of economics.

One more thing you don't seem to understand: most Europeans don't care a lot about Ukraine. No one will rush to have them admitted into the EU. And don't want to pay huge energy prices because of them.

Well it's good to see the middle reliever come in from out in the bullpen to present something other than the wild pitches we've been getting lately when we go up to bat at the thread and topic. Still all your pitches were out of the strike zone. In fact your BALL FOUR pitches above walked the ball park I'm afraid.

Putin's oligarchs don't do the spot market for gas for example because Nord Stream was first planned almost 20 years ago. Long term contracts by the Kremlin Mafia make it easier for 'em to say they're meeting their contracted demand while avoiding meeting the seasonal or daily increase in demand EU and Europe have presently, in this winter. And it makes it easier for the Kremlin Krime Mafia to avoid replenishing reserves which is what Kremlin has been doing since the summer.

Putin's failed blackmail of Europe, EU, NATO has backfired however. Of the 78 seaborne tankers currently shipping USA LNG to east Asia, 30 have changed course to Europe to benefit from higher market prices and to aid U.S. allied nations in their successful resistance to Putin's miserably failed campaign of energy blackmail via NS2.

 

[Tangmo]

I find the above useful. It's hard to get to the simple fundamentals, hidden as it is under the cloud of ideologically based economics promoted by the likes of Atlantic Council.

The funny thing is the US also buys oil from the evil Russian Federation.

US sanctions against Russia as punishment for Crimea and Donbas pertain to only all the Kremlin Krime Mafia operations in the Arctic. Mainly, no technologies for deep sea exploration, drilling, extraction. No new or dynamic technologies in particular. The stuff Russia needs desperately up there while they pollute the place to Kingdom Come.

So I re-re-reiterate the NATO and EU posture that the continent work anew toward balancing its imports of Russian gas and US LNG rather than give Russia the continued advantage of supplying more than 40% percent of Western Europe's gas supply. That is, to make it more like 50-50 Russian gas and American gas.

This reduces significantly Putin's illiberal and antiliberal geostrategic goals of continuing to be the main supplier by far of gas to the European market. It would accept the US into the gas market to balance against the strong Russian influence and impact of its dominating the gas market via the Russo-German NS2 Geostrategic Axis of Energy.

Indeed, if Putin wants to annex Ukraine back into Putin's Russia so badly and in the ways of the Nazis in the 1930s that he'd accept being ejected from the SWIFT banking transaction system in Belgium that moves $5 Trillion a day, then that's what he's going to get. Very few rational and sane people however actually stick their chin out to get their back broken in this way.

 

[Tangmo]

Kremlin Krime Mafia led by the Godfather Vladimir Putin is beginning to say publicly what's being said in whispers for several months now.

The Putin-Merkel Pipeline Project remains inert, inactive and in deep shi stuff, said the Russian deputy foreign minister Alexander Pankin. Indeed, despite the resumption in July of construction by the stalled project, the Kremlin knew it was looking at certification of the finally completed pipeline as a very high mountain before it.

Kremlin made several statements that even after the pipeline was completed -- which occurred in mid September -- the regulators in Germany and Brussels were already lying in wait for the certification processes and procedures. Which indeed is what's happened and continues to happen.

Russia admits Nord Stream 2 may never be launched​

Monday, January 3, 2022

The Russian gas pipeline Nord Stream 2 may not pass the EU certification procedure, said Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Pankin, reports RIA Novosti. According to him, the certification process may last many months until the summer of 2022. At the same time, the U.S. may impose new sanctions which will completely invalidate the North Stream 2 certification.

"We can imagine that the Americans will tell the Germans not to buy an ounce of Russian gas through Nord Stream. It may or may not be certified. They can do anything," the Russian Deputy Foreign Minister said. The Vice Chancellor of Germany [the Greens Robert Habeck] said that in the event of Russia's aggression against Ukraine, the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline will not be launched.

Russia admits Nord Stream 2 may never be launched

The Russian gas pipeline Nord Stream 2 may not pass the EU certification procedure, said Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Pankin, reports RIA Novosti. According to him, the certification process may last many months until the summer of 2022. At the same time, the U.S. may impose new...

uawire.org

The U.S. Senate is expected to impose mandatory sanctions on insuring, certifying, operating the pipeline in a vote on or before Jan. 17. The Senate bipartisan vote would thereby agree with the House passed identical sanctions against NS 2 that include removing the waiver authority of the Potus from the legislation.


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