[Germany] An AfD mole in the CDU?

[Juin]

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The black sheep of German politics has a candidate for President. Problem is Max Otte is not a member of Germany's Alternative for Germany AfD. He is a member of the Christian Democratic Union CDU. And for that Max is being suspended with immediate effect by the CDU. Max appears not to see what the whole uproar is all about. He considers the nomination and an honour and will rather not quit the CDU.

The AfD appears to be a fascinating German phenomenon. It is hard to fit in the American spectrum. Not being German I can barely wrap my head around what the AfD is. Roughly it will approximate to something like the Klan in the US. That be kind of like a Democrat accepting the Klan's nomination as its candidate for a highly ceremonial office which does not exist in the US: a ceremonial President. But Democrats were the incubator for the Klan, and for decades after wore two hats: Democrats by day, the white cone Klan headgear by night.

In Germany it appears there is a consensus that no can break bread with the AfD. Which is where the difference lies. In the US Democrats can, and did break bread with the Klan. As a matter of fact the Klan suckled at the teats of the Democratic Party in its infancy.

It is hard to run into fireworks in German politics. They dont appear to call each other names. It is mostly a motley of rather severe, austere business suit gentlemen. So the AfD makes for a lighter side of German politics.

What are Max Otte's chances?

Germany's far-right AfD names member of CDU as presidential candidate​

The conservatives responded by suspending Max Otte from the party until further notice. The parliamentarian heads a conservative fringe group within the CDU calling itself the "Values Union."




Unlike the mainstream of his party, Otte has not shied away from association with the AfD
Germany's center-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) on Tuesday said it was suspending parliamentarian Max Otte after the far-right populist Alternative for Germany (AfD) said it would nominate Otte to become the country's next president.
The CDU made the decision at a party leadership meeting on Tuesday evening.
Outgoing CDU General Secretary Paul Ziemiak said after the meeting that Otte's AfD candidacy would "seriously damage" the conservative party and required "immediate intervention."
Earlier Tuesday, Otte attended a press event with AfD co-chair Alice Weidel and her party co-chair Tino Chrupalla in the parliamentary Reichstag building in Berlin.
Weidel had called him an "honorable politician" and a "man of the center." Otte made it clear that he planned to accept the nomination and that he did not intend to voluntarily give up his CDU membership as the party had demanded."

Germany: AfD nominates member of CDU for president – DW – 01/25/2022

The conservatives responded by suspending Max Otte from the party until further notice. The parliamentarian heads a conservative fringe group within the CDU calling itself the "Values Union."

www.dw.com

 

[Tangmo]

What are Max Otte's chances?

A Snowball in Hell.

In USA, the KKK has gone over to the Republican Party since Nixon and his so called "Southern Strategy" that was designed successfully to bring every last racist into the Republican Partry. It's the Russophile racists who made the difference in electing Trump in 2016.

SPD and current Russia Hugging Pres. Frank-Walter Steinmeier has a clear run to a second term because he is backed by most mainstream parties — the three in Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s government plus the main opposition Union bloc, which the CDU dominates. Neither Otte nor the Left Party’s candidate, medic Gerhard Trabert, has any serious chance February 13th in the assembly of the 736 members of the lower house of parliament and an equal number of representatives of Germany’s 16 states.

Steinmeier has Putin's stamp of approval which in Germany is all he needs to hold high office.

Transparency International calls Russia's ownership of the German elites in Berlin "State Capture." It's not only in Germany but it is so overwhelmingly obvious that Germany has become the poster boy and the poster fat lady of it singing.

 

[Schrott]

The AfD is 912er, Three Percenter, Tea Party and other Neo Nazi groups in one pot and that pot is boiling over constantly. Which means some of its members go to far and break German law.
CDU Wertegruppe is the far right wing of the CDU.
The AfD likes to play games to unstabelize the political system, not the first time.
Otte showed to be an idiot that he fell for a AfD trap.

A big Nothing Burger.

 

[Juin]

A Snowball in Hell.

In USA, the KKK has gone over to the Republican Party since Nixon and his so called "Southern Strategy" that was designed successfully to bring every last racist into the Republican Partry. It's the Russophile racists who made the difference in electing Trump in 2016.

I don't think there's more than a handful of Trumpists who are into Russia. It's the chic gents of the left who know everything about Russia. The Left were very sympathetic to Soviet Russia but appear to have a disdain for Putin. Maybe because Putin is not a Bolshevik. Maybe if Putin put on hammer and scycle pins on his coat lapels the left will flock to him.

SPD and current Russia Hugging Pres. Frank-Walter Steinmeier has a clear run to a second term because he is backed by most mainstream parties — the three in Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s government plus the main opposition Union bloc, which the CDU dominates. Neither Otte nor the Left Party’s candidate, medic Gerhard Trabert, has any serious chance February 13th in the assembly of the 736 members of the lower house of parliament and an equal number of representatives of Germany’s 16 states.

That appeared to be the consensus from what I read.

Steinmeier has Putin's stamp of approval which in Germany is all he needs to hold high office.

Putin's stamp of approval!

Transparency International calls Russia's ownership of the German elites in Berlin "State Capture." It's not only in Germany but it is so overwhelmingly obvious that Germany has become the poster boy and the poster fat lady of it singing.

It could pay big dividends. I don't get the impression Putin likes the US that much. But he may listen to Monsieur Macron and Herr Scholz. In the hands of those two lies Ukraine’s fate

 

[Juin]

The AfD is 912er, Three Percenter, Tea Party and other Neo Nazi groups in one pot and that pot is boiling over constantly. Which means some of its members go to far and break German law.
CDU Wertegruppe is the far right wing of the CDU.
The AfD likes to play games to unstabelize the political system, not the first time.
Otte showed to be an idiot that he fell for a AfD trap.

A big Nothing Burger.

Yet Otte accepted the nomination, alongside a few AfD brass. Maybe he lives in some kind of parallel universe to not appreciate the consequences of what he was doing.

Reading up on AfD it appears there was a drama in Thuringia over how a First Minister got elected. I am also a little better informed on Germany, coming across Thuringia for the first time. I am still a little confused over what happened

 

[Tangmo]

In USA, the KKK has gone over to the Republican Party since Nixon and his so called "Southern Strategy" that was designed successfully to bring every last racist into the Republican Partry. It's the Russophile racist rightwingers who made the difference in electing Trump in 2016. The Oath Eaters or whatever they call themselves.

I don't think there's more than a handful of Trumpists who are into Russia. It's the chic gents of the left who know everything about Russia. The Left were very sympathetic to Soviet Russia but appear to have a disdain for Putin. Maybe because Putin is not a Bolshevik. Maybe if Putin put on hammer and scycle pins on his coat lapels the left will flock to him.

De Nile isn't only a river in Egypt.

You should apply to write for the History Channel although you'd have to pay them to put your stuff on the air it's so Cold War ancient and sloppy besides.

It's the American Armband Right, ie, the Republican Party that was clamoring around and declaring Putin to be the strong leader his and any major nation needs while attacking Obama as some kind of weak and feeble leader. Republicans praised Putin after he returned to the Russian presidency in 2012 with his new agenda to lead the global armband right. Then along came Trump with his, "Russia, if you're listening...."

Then there was Trump in Helsinki saying Putin is more believable than US intelligence agencies. What you've missed is that Republicans in the USA and their precious Republic Party have become what the US fought against successfully to defeat throughout the 20th century, from left to right. You remember the 20th century colonel, I know you do -- it was when Russia collapsed twice to bookend it. One more of 'em and yikes you'd have a hat trick over there. And with you as a ex KGB colonel I'd thought you knew your left from your right.

Tsk tsk colonel.

 

[Tangmo]

I don't get the impression Putin likes the US that much. But he may listen to Monsieur Macron and Herr Scholz. In the hands of those two lies Ukraine’s fate

The choir boyz Macron and Scholz between 'em don't have a ton of armaments to include ammo in Ukraine which makes 'em bystanders.

At least Macron is not actively and repeatedly obstructing the NATO delivery of beans, bullets and bandages to Ukraine as Scholz is, to include vitally needed new technologies of equipment/weapons.

Macron is "considering" sending some troops to somewhere near Ukraine while Scholz is figuring new ways to minimize Russian losses when Putin gives his troops the green light while expressing zero concern of Ukraine lives both military and civilian.

So your notorious record of always being wrong stands intact.

 

[Schrott]

Yet Otte accepted the nomination, alongside a few AfD brass. Maybe he lives in some kind of parallel universe to not appreciate the consequences of what he was doing.

Reading up on AfD it appears there was a drama in Thuringia over how a First Minister got elected. I am also a little better informed on Germany, coming across Thuringia for the first time. I am still a little confused over what happened

Shows what a idiot he is.
AfD is toxic, you play with them you get burned.
Stoned ?
Drunk?
Flat out stupid ?

 

[HangLow]

The choir boyz Macron and Scholz between 'em don't have a ton of armaments to include ammo in Ukraine which makes 'em bystanders.

At least Macron is not actively and repeatedly obstructing the NATO delivery of beans, bullets and bandages to Ukraine as Scholz is, to include vitally needed new technologies of equipment/weapons.

Macron is "considering" sending some troops to somewhere near Ukraine while Scholz is figuring new ways to minimize Russian losses when Putin gives his troops the green light while expressing zero concern of Ukraine lives both military and civilian.

So your notorious record of always being wrong stands intact.

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[Tangmo]

As a lifelong Red Sox fool fan I am delighted Dave Ortiz was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown NY.

Many were voted on by the Baseball Writers Association of America but only one was called.

"Pappi."