German government asks Lockheed, MBDA to rebid on missile defense system - cull US influence

[swing_voter]

Since the end of WWII, the German defense forces have been mostly just a token force. This Rostocker guy is hard to figure out. Is he pissed because Trump made them pay for more of their own defense? If he just wanted a stronger German military, why would he care?
So Rostocker, what is it? EU lover?

He's a paid Russian shill.

 

[nota bene]

When you pay 3000€ for flight and hotel, train hard to be sucesful in your Sport and then get robbed Like that you May understand certain anger

Beside that, i dont hate your country

Posting that it's a "****hole country without morals" doesn't exactly suggest fondness either.

 

[nota bene]

He's a paid Russian shill.

Enough of this please.

 

[Rostocker]

Posting that it's a "****hole country without morals" doesn't exactly suggest fondness either.

I dislike USA, as do majority of Germans. According polls 80% of Germans have negative Impression about usa

 

[nota bene]

I dislike USA, as do majority of Germans. According polls 80% of Germans have negative Impression about usa

And that's fine. But if your personal animus is based, years later, on your bitterness about the outcome of an athletic competition, that's unfair. One my kids was a star catcher and third baseman, and she continued kvetching about how unfair and awful it was that other girls enjoyed more success than she did because she had ruined her arm. From age 15 through most of her 20's, she nurtured her resentment and envy and bitterness. I think she probably still does, but she has finally shut up because she realizes that nobody wants to hear it anymore because it's just so pathetic.

 

[Rostocker]

And that's fine. But if your personal animus is based, years later, on your bitterness about the outcome of an athletic competition, that's unfair. One my kids was a star catcher and third baseman, and she continued kvetching about how unfair and awful it was that other girls enjoyed more success than she did because she had ruined her arm. From age 15 through most of her 20's, she nurtured her resentment and envy and bitterness. I think she probably still does, but she has finally shut up because she realizes that nobody wants to hear it anymore because it's just so pathetic.

No, its beyond that. It was an eye opener. And i am actually glad it went that way, because now i understand why the big mjority of my people is anti USA.

Ou nations were once allied. It was quite onesided alliance since Germany gained nothing from that and was used. It went so far that USA in cold war planned to put nuclear mines on german soil to stop the soviets. It was chancellor Helmut Schmidt who stopped this madness.

The phase Germany goes through now is, that USA is nothing but an enemy and i m glad our government acts accordingly.

For 70 years german chancellors often got told they are american bootlickers. That Schröder stood up and said "ENOUGH!" and that Merkel does this even more so, is refreshing and a positive thing.

 

[Dayton3]

I dislike USA, as do majority of Germans. According polls 80% of Germans have negative Impression about usa

Europeans always say that if the American president is seen as putting the interests of the U.S. first and foremost. They had similar opinions when Reagan was president and when George W. Bush was president.

Correction. WEST Germans felt that way about Ronald Reagan. No one knows what East Germans thought because the Soviets still had bayonets at their throats and their knee in their backs

 

[Dayton3]

Ou nations were once allied. It was quite onesided alliance since Germany gained nothing from

Aside from the fact that thanks to the U.S., West Germany was spared conquest and occupation by the Soviets.

 

[Moot]

You think hating an entire country and ask it’s 300 million people over some body building competition is a legitimate beef.

Why am I not surprised.

If it was an international competition rigged to favor Americans...then I probably would have some bad feelings towards Americans. As an analogy, if Trump rigged the election to favor his party...then I would have bad feeling towards his party. In fact, I don't think I would ever trust or forgive them.

 

[Dayton3]

If it was an international competition rigged to favor Americans...then I probably would have some bad feelings towards Americans. As an analogy, if Trump rigged the election to favor his party...then I would have bad feeling towards his party. In fact, I don't think I would ever trust or forgive them.

Why..

 

[Moot]

Why..

Because they're dishonest, self centered, immoral people that can only win by cheating.

 

[Rostocker]

Europeans always say that if the American president is seen as putting the interests of the U.S. first and foremost. They had similar opinions when Reagan was president and when George W. Bush was president.

Correction. WEST Germans felt that way about Ronald Reagan. No one knows what East Germans thought because the Soviets still had bayonets at their throats and their knee in their backs

Actually not.

You have a problem with a Germany first politics.

Its business Dayton, Lockheed wants this deal, we make the rules

 

[Dayton3]

Because they're dishonest, self centered, immoral people that can only win by cheating.

Just because people cheated doesn't mean they wouldn't have won anyway. Like supporters of President Carter claiming that it was cheating for the Reagan campaign to get possession of the debate briefing material for President Carter prior to their only debate.

But Reagan won 44 states!!! It isn't like it made a difference one way or the other.

 

[Moot]

Just because people cheated doesn't mean they wouldn't have won anyway. Like supporters of President Carter claiming that it was cheating for the Reagan campaign to get possession of the debate briefing material for President Carter prior to their only debate.

But Reagan won 44 states!!! It isn't like it made a difference one way or the other.

Cheating to win an election is sooo third world dictatorship.

Reagan cheated when he secretly contacted the Iranians and told them not to release the hostages until after the election.

 

[Dayton3]

Cheating to win an election is sooo third world dictatorship.

Reagan cheated when he secretly contacted the Iranians and told them not to release the hostages until after the election.

It wouldn't have made any difference even if that were true

 

[nota bene]

No, its beyond that. It was an eye opener. And i am actually glad it went that way, because now i understand why the big mjority of my people is anti USA.

I can't see how one citizen's one experience in one athletic competition would persuade a majority of your nation to think anything.

 

[Chagos]

I can't see how one citizen's one experience in one athletic competition would persuade a majority of your nation to think anything.

Well, it doesn't.

If you were presented with the opportunity to visit Germany and took it, you'd find that most Germans are pretty much mature (in the sense of being "adult").

Even goes for most kids as well, sanity assumed.:lol:

 

[BahamaBob]

I can't see how one citizen's one experience in one athletic competition would persuade a majority of your nation to think anything.

East German athletes are famous for doping and steroids. They have been caught cheating many times and penalized.

 

[braindrain]

If it was an international competition rigged to favor Americans...then I probably would have some bad feelings towards Americans. As an analogy, if Trump rigged the election to favor his party...then I would have bad feeling towards his party. In fact, I don't think I would ever trust or forgive them.

He has presented no evidence it was rigged and furthermore his opinion as extremely biased. But I am not surprised to see you support his America hating ideals.

 

[braindrain]

Because they're dishonest, self centered, immoral people that can only win by cheating.

One small competition ran by a handful of people is an indication of the 300 million people that live here.

I am sure in your head that makes sense.

I guess I should hate and blame all those on the left since that is who is doing all the looting and rioting. I am sure you think that makes sense right? I mean you will if you wish to have any consistency.

 

[Moot]

He has presented no evidence it was rigged and furthermore his opinion as extremely biased. But I am not surprised to see you support his America hating ideals.

One small competition ran by a handful of people is an indication of the 300 million people that live here.

I am sure in your head that makes sense.

I guess I should hate and blame all those on the left since that is who is doing all the looting and rioting. I am sure you think that makes sense right? I mean you will if you wish to have any consistency.

I'm not surprised that you need to twist my words to make yourself seem relevant. So I guess I should thank you for making my point that Trump supporters are dishonest, self centered, immoral people who can only win by cheating. They're literally giving America a bad name.

 

[Tangmo]

Actually not.

You have a problem with a Germany first politics.

Its business Dayton, Lockheed wants this deal, we make the rules

Said the German Trumpstocker.

Deutschland Uber Alles!

Your former chancellor the socialist Herr Schroder is the well compensated chairman of Putins gas committee where Russia and Nordstream come first, Germany comes in second and USA-EU were out of the running until the sanctions busted the whole sleazy scheme of it. Without Lockheed and US defenses against Putin and Schroder you'd be writing your America hate in Russian right now instead of in your lousy east German English.

 

[nota bene]

I'm not surprised that you need to twist my words to make yourself seem relevant. So I guess I should thank you for making my point that Trump supporters are dishonest, self centered, immoral people who can only win by cheating. They're literally giving America a bad name.

I think he was trying to show the similarity between one instance of hyperovergeneralization/stereotyping with another.

 

[Rostocker]

I can't see how one citizen's one experience in one athletic competition would persuade a majority of your nation to think anything.

The majority of Germans is anti american. I was actually quite pro american but my negative experiences i had there proved that i was wrong to see USA as positive, infact i understood, why many here see USA as rather bad country.

 

[Tangmo]

No, its beyond that. It was an eye opener. And i am actually glad it went that way, because now i understand why the big mjority of my people is anti USA.

Ou nations were once allied. It was quite onesided alliance since Germany gained nothing from that and was used. It went so far that USA in cold war planned to put nuclear mines on german soil to stop the soviets. It was chancellor Helmut Schmidt who stopped this madness.

The phase Germany goes through now is, that USA is nothing but an enemy and i m glad our government acts accordingly.

For 70 years german chancellors often got told they are american bootlickers. That Schröder stood up and said "ENOUGH!" and that Merkel does this even more so, is refreshing and a positive thing.

Your east German fellow Merkel is trying to be chancellor longer than anyone before her. Your socialist former chancellor Schroder is a Putin whore in Moscow and the former chancellor Helmut Schmidt was no better than the chancellor Helmut Kohl who required Potus Reagan to visit a Waffen SS cemetery before he would accept missiles in Germany. So when it comes to the USA you socialist conservatives wear your Helmuts a lot.