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German Concert Goers Sexually Assaulted

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What's idiotic is to see the pattern of Muslim mobs sexually attacking women and not concluding that it is indeed a Muslim problem.

No what's idiotic is you sitting there saying all of Islam is a "bad religion" and conflating all of Islam with these twits. That is beyond idiotic.
 
Exposed for pointing out that Islam is misogynist? Really now. I am so exposed.

What's being exposed is your willful ignorance and need to apologize for a bad religion.

If (actually when) a Chriistian individual commits a crime does that make Christianity a bad religion? The completely valid point being made is that the gender, race, ethnicity or religion of a given criiminal does not indcate a "bad" gender, race, ethnicity or religion.
 
Opinion noted, promptly ignored and sent to scrap heap.

As you tend to do with facts when they get in the way of your feelings.
 
What's idiotic is to see the pattern of Muslim mobs sexually attacking women and not concluding that it is indeed a Muslim problem.

Police in Östersund in northern Sweden have warned women about being out on their own after dark, but the city’s mayor has trashed the idea. Officers in Östersund held a press conference on Monday, explaining that there had been at least six reports of violence against women in the area since February 20th. “Now the police are going out and warning women against travelling alone in the city. We have seen a worrying trend,” regional police chief Stephen Jerand told Swedish media. “This is serious, we care about the protection of women and that is why we are going out and talking about this.” He explained that the recent reported crimes included an attempted rape in the centre of Östersund over the weekend. Police later added that they were also investigating the alleged molestation of a 10-year-old girl at a bus station.

A school in Bavaria has sent a letter home to parents warning them not to let their daughters wear revealing blouses or short skirts, because emergency accommodation for refugees has been set up next to the gym.

Parents were warned — “Miniskirts could lead to misunderstandings.”
A week ago emergency accommodation for 200 Syrian refugees was erected right next to the gym of Wilhelm-Diess-Gymnasium in Pocking, Bavaria, Die Welt reports. The gym has been closed as a result, and PE lessons have been relocated to a nearby primary school, but the school is still worried about the refugees interacting with students. So worried in fact that the headteacher recently sent out a letter to parents to give reassurance about extra security measures.
“The Syrian citizens are mainly Muslims and speak Arabic. The refugees are marked by their own culture. Because our school is directly next to where they are staying, modest clothing should be adhered to, in order to avoid discrepancies. Revealing tops or blouses, short shorts or miniskirts could lead to misunderstandings.”

Cologne Mayor: Women should be more careful after Muslim mass rapes, promises “guidance” so they can “prepare”.

Can you even ****ing IMAGINE? In this country we defend the womens rights to go braless, topless, wear pretty much anything...and rightfully so. But now....with the growing Muslim influence in Europe deference is made to the poor Muslims who might not know that a ****ing school uniform ISNT an invitation to rape a 9 year old elementary level student.
 
I'm not saying "pish". It is a systemic problem with these young asshat muslims. I'm just not idiotic enough to run out and say these punks represent the whole religion and that it's proves that Islam is a "bad religion" because of this as the OP is doing in this thread. The OP doesn't give a rats ass about the crime. He doesn't give a rats ass about the victims of the crime. He only cares to use this as a tool to bash all of the religion. That's what I find is wrong. Then he's saying I'm defending the criminals because I don't hate all of Islam like he does. It's bull**** at it's max.

I'm not even a fan of organized religion of any kind. I'm just smart enough not to play the broadstroking bigot card like the OP has throughout this thread.
Perhaps if there were a little more emphasis on the first part (and not so many people rushing in to try to cover it up or pretend it isnt an actual problem) there would be a lot less concern about the second part. You CANNOT logically deny that it IS a cultural problem...not with any semblance of integrity. So...start there. And before you claim you werent denying it as a problem, if short term memory serves you WERE the one rushing to equate the European assaults with a concert you attended...right?
 
Perhaps if there were a little more emphasis on the first part (and not so many people rushing in to try to cover it up or pretend it isnt an actual problem) there would be a lot less concern about the second part. You CANNOT logically deny that it IS a cultural problem...not with any semblance of integrity. So...start there. And before you claim you werent denying it as a problem, if short term memory serves you WERE the one rushing to equate the European assaults with a concert you attended...right?

It is a cultural problem but not a Muslim cultural problem. The muslim part is just the cohesiveness of the crew. Not the cause of the crime. If they were of the same situation and were of some other culture and came in altogether, we'd probably be seeing the same thing. I mean, just look at Eastern Eurpoean countries that aren't Muslim. Have you ever dealt with these folks? They are ridiculously machismo. I mean over-the-top machismo that it seems like a caricature.

These kids are banding together because they are similar in background. What makes them similar is what makes them ride together but that what makes them similar isn't what makes them criminal. They are just emboldened because they ride together. I'm always suspicious of young men in large groups regardless of background. You get two together, they just hang out. You get three together, then they are constantly in a pissing contest trying to outdo the other. You get even more together then the pissing contest turns into a river of urine.

So in this instance they are Muslims doing this but while being Muslim binds them, its not a tenant of being Muslim to group together and molest women. That is what the OP is trying to make people believe.

The infuriating part of the OP's argument is that if you don't agree with him that all of Islam is horrifically terrible, then you are defending these punks in this instance. And that crap is right out of the bigotry playbook.
 
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It is a cultural problem but not a Muslim cultural problem. The muslim part is just the cohesiveness of the crew. Not the cause of the crime. If they were of the same situation and were of some other culture and came in altogether, we'd probably be seeing the same thing. I mean, just look at Eastern Eurpoean countries that aren't Muslim. Have you ever dealt with these folks? They are ridiculously machismo. I mean over-the-top machismo that it seems like a caricature.

These kids are banding together because they are similar in background. What makes them similar is what makes them ride together but that what makes them similar isn't what makes them criminal. They are just emboldened because they ride together. I'm always suspicious of young men in large groups regardless of background. You get two together, they just hang out. You get three together, then they are constantly in a pissing contest trying to outdo the other. You get even more together then the pissing contest turns into a river of urine.

So in this instance they are Muslims doing this but while being Muslim binds them, its not a tenant of being Muslim to group together and molest women. That is what the OP is trying to make people believe.

The infuriating part of the OP's argument is that if you don't agree with him that all of Islam is horrifically terrible, then you are defending these punks in this instance. And that crap is right out of the bigotry playbook.
Yes...it IS a Muslim cultural problem. Just as sexual assaults in the Military are a military problem and sexual assaults on college campuses are college problems. If it is prevalent in ANY culture it is a problem. Its ludicrous and destructive to ignore the facts for some inane politically correct bull****.

If people suggested in this country that the answer to prevent rapes was for women to not go out alone and to dress more appropriately, people would lose their minds. I suspect you would be one of those people. But where Muslims are concerned...well...gosh...we already have laws on the books. What more do you want?
 
Yes...it IS a Muslim cultural problem. Just as sexual assaults in the Military are a military problem and sexual assaults on college campuses are college problems. If it is prevalent in ANY culture it is a problem. Its ludicrous and destructive to ignore the facts for some inane politically correct bull****.

While the military sexual assaults are a military problem the ****ing military didn't make them sexually assault someone. Just like college didn't make college kids assault someone. Just like being Muslim didn't make them assault someone.

It's not about political correctness. That's a childish dodge.

If people suggested in this country that the answer to prevent rapes was for women to not go out alone and to dress more appropriately, people would lose their minds. I suspect you would be one of those people. But where Muslims are concerned...well...gosh...we already have laws on the books. What more do you want?

"if" "woulda coulda shoulda". Just a bunch of rambling claptrap.
 
Police in Östersund in northern Sweden have warned women about being out on their own after dark, but the city’s mayor has trashed the idea. Officers in Östersund held a press conference on Monday, explaining that there had been at least six reports of violence against women in the area since February 20th. “Now the police are going out and warning women against travelling alone in the city. We have seen a worrying trend,” regional police chief Stephen Jerand told Swedish media. “This is serious, we care about the protection of women and that is why we are going out and talking about this.” He explained that the recent reported crimes included an attempted rape in the centre of Östersund over the weekend. Police later added that they were also investigating the alleged molestation of a 10-year-old girl at a bus station.

A school in Bavaria has sent a letter home to parents warning them not to let their daughters wear revealing blouses or short skirts, because emergency accommodation for refugees has been set up next to the gym.

Parents were warned — “Miniskirts could lead to misunderstandings.”
A week ago emergency accommodation for 200 Syrian refugees was erected right next to the gym of Wilhelm-Diess-Gymnasium in Pocking, Bavaria, Die Welt reports. The gym has been closed as a result, and PE lessons have been relocated to a nearby primary school, but the school is still worried about the refugees interacting with students. So worried in fact that the headteacher recently sent out a letter to parents to give reassurance about extra security measures.
“The Syrian citizens are mainly Muslims and speak Arabic. The refugees are marked by their own culture. Because our school is directly next to where they are staying, modest clothing should be adhered to, in order to avoid discrepancies. Revealing tops or blouses, short shorts or miniskirts could lead to misunderstandings.”

Cologne Mayor: Women should be more careful after Muslim mass rapes, promises “guidance” so they can “prepare”.

Can you even ****ing IMAGINE? In this country we defend the womens rights to go braless, topless, wear pretty much anything...and rightfully so. But now....with the growing Muslim influence in Europe deference is made to the poor Muslims who might not know that a ****ing school uniform ISNT an invitation to rape a 9 year old elementary level student.

Stunning.
 
As you tend to do with facts when they get in the way of your feelings.

Facts like this?

Parents were warned — “Miniskirts could lead to misunderstandings.”
A week ago emergency accommodation for 200 Syrian refugees was erected right next to the gym of Wilhelm-Diess-Gymnasium in Pocking, Bavaria, Die Welt reports. The gym has been closed as a result, and PE lessons have been relocated to a nearby primary school, but the school is still worried about the refugees interacting with students. So worried in fact that the headteacher recently sent out a letter to parents to give reassurance about extra security measures.
“The Syrian citizens are mainly Muslims and speak Arabic. The refugees are marked by their own culture. Because our school is directly next to where they are staying, modest clothing should be adhered to, in order to avoid discrepancies. Revealing tops or blouses, short shorts or miniskirts could lead to misunderstandings.”
 
While the military sexual assaults are a military problem the ****ing military didn't make them sexually assault someone. Just like college didn't make college kids assault someone. Just like being Muslim didn't make them assault someone.

It's not about political correctness. That's a childish dodge.



"if" "woulda coulda shoulda". Just a bunch of rambling claptrap.
You COULD say being Muslim doesnt 'make' them sexually assault someone...but you cannot deny that a-it IS a Muslim problem and b-Muslim ideology feeds it.
"Rape of Muslim women is against Islamic law - although the rape of non-Muslim women is not, if they are 'captured in battle' or bought as slaves. Even the rape of a Muslim woman is almost impossible to prove under strict Islamic law (Sharia). If the man claims that the act was consensual sex, there is very little that the woman can do to refute this. Islam places the burden of avoiding sexual encounters of any sort on the woman.

A recent fatwa from a mainstream Islamic site echoes this rule and even chides a victim of incest for complaining when she has no "evidence":

However, it is not permissible to accuse the father of rape without evidence. Indeed, the Sharee’ah put some special conditions for proving Zina (fornication or adultery) that are not required in case of other crimes. The crime of Zina is not confirmed except if the fornicator admits it, or with the testimony of four trustworthy men, while the testimony of women is not accepted.

Hence, the statement of this girl or the statement of her mother in itself does not Islamically prove anything against the father, especially that the latter denies it.

Therefore, if this daughter has no evidence to prove that her accusations are true, she should not have claimed that she was raped by her father and she should not have taken him to the court. (IslamWeb.net, Image)

Since it is incredibly unlikely that a child molester will violate his victim in front of "four trustworthy men", Islamic law amounts to a free pass for sexual predators.

Islamic law rejects forensic evidence (such as DNA) in favor of testimony. An interesting situation thus sometimes develops in cases where a victim alleges rape and the man denies that sex even took place. In the absence of four male witnesses, rape cannot be proven. The woman's testimony then becomes a "confession" of adultery. She can be stoned, even though the male is unpunished, since he never admitted to a sexual act.

Some clerics blame rape on the woman. Australian Sheik Feiz recently said a rape victim "has no one to blame but herself. She displayed her beauty to the entire world... to tease man and appeal to his carnal nature." Even his successor, who was brought in to mitigate the backlash, compared unveiled women to "sweet pastries" tempting hungry men.

One of the world's most respected Sunni scholars, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, recently told an audience on his al-Jazeera television show that "To be absolved from guilt, the raped woman must have shown some sort of good conduct."

Dr. Abd al-Aziz Fawazan al-Fawzan, a professor of Islamic law said that "If a woman gets raped walking in public alone, then she, herself is at fault. She is only seducing men by her presence. She should have stayed at home like a Muslim woman."

EDIT: Dammit...I keep making that mistake. You CAN deny it...you can deny it all you want.
 
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