George Will raises possible Trump link to Russian oligarchs

[Top Cat]

C'mon TOP


George Will was recently butt hurt by his party, so he folded his tent and cried victim all the way home.

That's funny. I see several righties on this thread that have suggested Will is not a conservative. Go figure.

 

[Top Cat]

I don't really know anything about George Will, but I have two questions...

1. Has Will always been one to engage in rank, unsupported speculation? Or is this just a new direction for him caused by his intense dislike for Trump?

I can't speak to what if anything Will knows. However, as a liberal myself I have always felt Will was a respectable conservative not prone to hyperbole. I also was under the impression he was respected within the GOP.

2. Since Will has abandoned the Republican Party, why would anybody grant him any further credibility? Why does Fox still employ him?

It's not like he's a closet liberal. As to Fox hiring him..they hired Heraldo and Hannity. Nuff said.

 

[eohrnberger]

Will could be on the right track and I strongly suspect he is at least partially correct. We need to know the truth as nobody wants an even partial compromised Manchurian Candidate with a possibility of sitting in the White House. And that is well what Trump could be.

We need to know for sure and need to know well in advance of November.

"nobody wants an even partial compromised Manchurian Candidate with a possibility of sitting in the White House" - Agreed.

However, there's potential for another Manchurian Candidate of the same type and nature. The Clinton Foundation has accepted hundreds of millions of dollars in donations from foreign leaders both government and business. You can bet your bottom dollar that they'll form a line at the back door of Hillary's White House looking for those 'investments / donations' to pay off.

It's not reasonable to assume that this same situation which applies both candidates is somehow a concern to only one of them.

Never mind if Hillary traded arms or secrets to foreign governments in exchange for donations to the Clinton Foundation, right?

Your candidate is as dirty as they come.

Damn, beat me to it.

 

[eohrnberger]

We'll see. Supposedly, that's what the FBI is currently investigating, and those might be the next e-mails released from Assange. He claims to have more e-mails that would get her arrested immediately.

Wouldn't that be a hoot. Both Trump and Hillary arrested by the FBI and charged with high treasonous crimes!

Oh lord. So many many heads would just explode.

 

[apdst]

But WHY would the Russians want to do something to hurt the Democrats in November, something which would obviously help Trump? Why would they do that?

Could it be because Trump's already said he might not defend NATO allies "if they didn't pay their dues"?

Could it be because after Trump was nominated by the GOP, he gutted the GOP's anti-Russian stance on the Ukraine in the GOP platform - including the GOP platform's prior stance that Ukraine should be aided against Russian aggression? Really, WHO is showing weakness against Russia????

Gee, maybe THAT's why the Russians want Trump to win!

What the hell, people? Really, what would Reagan have said? Why the heck do you think that neither one of the former Bush presidents support Trump? Heck, you should look up what Barbara Bush has to say about the guy!

Remember when the Obama regime ****ed with the elections in the Ukraine?

Putin says US backed a coup d'état in Ukraine | TheHill


Remember when Clinton trashed Putin's electoral victory?

Why Putin hates Hillary - POLITICO

Remember when Biden warned Russia to keep her nose out of Ukraine?

Joe Biden Warns Russia Of Greater Costs If It Meddles In Ukraine Election

BONUS: Remeber the ridicule Romney got from the Liberals when he said Russia was a threat?

Flashback: Obama, Kerry ridiculed Romney over Russia « Hot Air

Ya see, the problem is, Liberals are so caught up in their own superiority, they actually think the world will be on it's knees in awe of their brilliance and invincibility. In fact, they're so convinced of their superiority, that they never consider that they could be wrong. The most dangerous part of that mindset is...they're always wrong.

 

[chuckiechan]

Why did we start showing tax returns anyway.

BTW, where is the Clinton Foundation, audited tax returns?

 

[RetiredUSN]

That's funny. I see several righties on this thread that have suggested Will is not a conservative. Go figure.

I have read a lot from George Will and I think he is a bright guy.

I did not suggest that he wasn't conservative.

I did say that he quit the party, and I tweeked him with the "butthurt" remark, mostly because of the public statement he gave for his reasons.

I think he will still have the same following of readers........including myself.

 

[fmw]

George will has never been what I call a conservative nor a libertarian. He's an establishment statist with some conservative proclivities but for example, he's adopted bannerrhoid views in some instances when it comes to second amendment rights. That he, an establishment statist, doesn't like Trump is a given. But to pretend that has any relevancy is rather silly. Will really doesn't have much following any more.

He is a conservative - just one who hates Trump.

 

[haymarket]

"nobody wants an even partial compromised Manchurian Candidate with a possibility of sitting in the White House" - Agreed.

However, there's potential for another Manchurian Candidate of the same type and nature. The Clinton Foundation has accepted hundreds of millions of dollars in donations from foreign leaders both government and business. You can bet your bottom dollar that they'll form a line at the back door of Hillary's White House looking for those 'investments / donations' to pay off.

It's not reasonable to assume that this same situation which applies both candidates is somehow a concern to only one of them.



Damn, beat me to it.

I would be happy to support a well written bill that prohibits foreign money in our election from any candidate.

The Russian/Putin connection has the potential to be the biggest political scandal since Watergate if it is proven that the Russians and Putin are behind this breach and are trying to influence our election in favor of Trump while he campaigns on changing the nature of NATO in Europe.

 

[Zyphlin]

Unless Will has some kind of proof, this is empty posturing presented in the guise of reporting.

Though it is fun watching some posters basically pull the 2008 and 2012 Republican playbook in terms of how Russia or Iran or such viewed Obama, and how that should somehow give people pause and mean they shouldn't vote for him, and trying to recycle it as if it's TOTALLY legit this time around (and watching some Republicans now acting like such a thing is just a crazy notion).

And no, this doesn't have the "potential" to be the biggest political scandal sine Watergate, unless there's actual evidence to suggest Putin is collaborating WITH Trump, which thus far there is absolutely zero to suggest that in any way. It's baseless speculation and wishful thinking in hopes of creating a diversion to talk about things other than the actual facts that did get leaked.

 

[haymarket]

Unless Will has some kind of proof, this is empty posturing presented in the guise of reporting.

Though it is fun watching some posters basically pull the 2008 and 2012 Republican playbook in terms of how Russia or Iran or such viewed Obama, and how that should somehow give people pause and mean they shouldn't vote for him, and trying to recycle it as if it's TOTALLY legit this time around (and watching some Republicans now acting like such a thing is just a crazy notion).

And no, this doesn't have the "potential" to be the biggest political scandal sine Watergate, unless there's actual evidence to suggest Putin is collaborating WITH Trump, which thus far there is absolutely zero to suggest that in any way. It's baseless speculation and wishful thinking in hopes of creating a diversion to talk about things other than the actual facts that did get leaked.

emphasis added


That is completely wrong. And I suspect you say this to set the bar so high as to be impossible to verify under your conditions.

It is more than enough to show that Putin favors Trump in the election and the Russians were responsible for the DNC hack while Trump himself makes statements about weakening NATO and alliances in Europe which would then benefit Russia.

All this needs the most thorough and complete investigation possible ASAP so the American people know if Trump is some new sort of Manchurian Candidate.

 

[eohrnberger]

I would be happy to support a well written bill that prohibits foreign money in our election from any candidate.

The Russian/Putin connection has the potential to be the biggest political scandal since Watergate if it is proven that the Russians and Putin are behind this breach and are trying to influence our election in favor of Trump while he campaigns on changing the nature of NATO in Europe.

As would I. Of additional concern, perhaps addressed in separate legislation, are similar Russian connections such as the uranium deal and other weapons deals, contingent on donations to the Clinton Foundation slush fund (SoS for sale?)

At the investment level, this has been unequivocally stated and reported by multiple sources:

Said Trump: “In order to try and deflect the horror and stupidity of the Wikileakes disaster, the Dems said maybe it is Russia dealing with Trump… For the record, I have zero investments in Russia.”
https://politicalwire.com/2016/07/27/trump-says-he-has-no-russian-investments/

Trump: 'I have ZERO investments in Russia' - POLITICO

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...89346-trump-i-have-zero-investments-in-russia

 

[apdst]

I would be happy to support a well written bill that prohibits foreign money in our election from any candidate.

The Russian/Putin connection has the potential to be the biggest political scandal since Watergate if it is proven that the Russians and Putin are behind this breach and are trying to influence our election in favor of Trump while he campaigns on changing the nature of NATO in Europe.

It's already illegal to accept foreign political donations.

 

[Mycroft]

It's already illegal to accept foreign political donations.

The legality of any action has never been a concern for any Clinton...except insofar as finding a way to avoid being caught.

 

[haymarket]

As would I. Of additional concern, perhaps addressed in separate legislation, are similar Russian connections such as the uranium deal and other weapons deals, contingent on donations to the Clinton Foundation slush fund (SoS for sale?)

At the investment level, this has been unequivocally stated and reported by multiple sources:


Trump: 'I have ZERO investments in Russia' - POLITICO

Trump: 'I have zero investments in Russia' | TheHill

Regardless if he has investments or not in Russia - this needs to be fully investigated with results coming well in advance of November. The idea that our traditional enemy in this area of the world is trying to influence our own elections so that our other allies are then weakened advantaging themselves is appalling.

 

[haymarket]

It's already illegal to accept foreign political donations.

Exactly. So one then wonders why people are bringing this up regarding Clinton?

 

[eohrnberger]

Regardless if he has investments or not in Russia - this needs to be fully investigated with results coming well in advance of November. The idea that our traditional enemy in this area of the world is trying to influence our own elections so that our other allies are then weakened advantaging themselves is appalling.

I wouldn't disagree. Just as long as the other, more troubling or at least as troubling, is also fully investigated.

 

[eohrnberger]

Exactly. So one then wonders why people are bringing this up regarding Clinton?

Skirting the law by accepting 'donations' into the Clinton Foundation slush fund.
So from my view, barely skirting the law, if at all, and definitely flaunting the intent of the law (keeping foreign money influence away from US politicians).

 

[tres borrachos]

"[/FONT][/COLOR]

George Will raises possible Trump link to Russian oligarchs | TheHill

Wow. This election delivers when it comes to suspense.

I'm right there with Will in the #NeverTrump movement. Like Will, I am greatly and profoundly disappointed that Trump is the GOP nominee.

However, I don't go around making up theories about the man without even a little bit of evidence to back it up. I have yet to see even a shred of evidence that Trump has ever even met Putin. And it would be one hell of a conspiracy theory to assume that Trump has been holding back on the release of his tax returns (which by the way, I don't even give a **** about at this point - what is going to be in there that is going to be noteworthy or game changing anyway?) because he knew that Putin ordered his people to hack the DNC servers for the last year in the hopes that they would uncover some vast internal plot to deny Bernie Sanders the nomination and that they actually did find what they were looking for and they were going to release it on the eve of the election.

Yes, and I saw George W. Bush pushing the button that detonated the bomb that took down the North Tower of the WTC, too. I watched it with Elvis.

 

[haymarket]

Skirting the law by accepting 'donations' into the Clinton Foundation slush fund.
So from my view, barely skirting the law, if at all, and definitely flaunting the intent of the law (keeping foreign money influence away from US politicians).

So lets tighten the laws then.

 

[Renae]

"[/FONT][/COLOR]

George Will raises possible Trump link to Russian oligarchs | TheHill

Wow. This election delivers when it comes to suspense.

More likely they'll show his net worth isn't near what he claims and he is heavily invested in businesses and industries that profit from H1B, illegal aliens and outsourcing. You know, all those things he was making money on and thriving with until he decided he could "sell" himself as the guy to stop all that.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

I'm right there with Will in the #NeverTrump movement. Like Will, I am greatly and profoundly disappointed that Trump is the GOP nominee.

However, I don't go around making up theories about the man without even a little bit of evidence to back it up. I have yet to see even a shred of evidence that Trump has ever even met Putin. And it would be one hell of a conspiracy theory to assume that Trump has been holding back on the release of his tax returns (which by the way, I don't even give a **** about at this point - what is going to be in there that is going to be noteworthy or game changing anyway?) because he knew that Putin ordered his people to hack the DNC servers for the last year in the hopes that they would uncover some vast internal plot to deny Bernie Sanders the nomination and that they actually did find what they were looking for and they were going to release it on the eve of the election.

Yes, and I saw George W. Bush pushing the button that detonated the bomb that took down the North Tower of the WTC, too. I watched it with Elvis.

Apparently, it's ok to push conspiracy theories because Trump.
It's ok for a lot of people to believe them, again, because Trump.

 

[Zyphlin]

Apparently, it's ok to push conspiracy theories because Trump.
It's ok for a lot of people to believe them, again, because Trump.

I can't stand the man, but it's became apparent that it's okay to do a lot of things you generally shouldn't do (and even some of the things people accuse Trump of doing) because "Trump". I've never seen such a wide scale embrace of the Machiavellian principle of "the ends justifies the means" across the public as I have since the rise of Trump.

 

[eohrnberger]

So lets tighten the laws then.

Agreed. Also, let's enforce the laws we already have in this regard.

But you and I both know that the political elite like to have their cake and eat it too, especially if it's paid for by someone else, namely the tax payers.

Further tightening of laws should outlaw the ability of congress to legally conduct what amounts to insider trading.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

I can't stand the man, but it's became apparent that it's okay to do a lot of things you generally shouldn't do (and even some of the things people accuse Trump of doing) because "Trump". I've never seen such a wide scale embrace of the Machiavellian principle of "the ends justifies the means" across the public as I have since the rise of Trump.

Most of it is repeated criticism designed by the opposition research.
It's actually pretty cool to see how stuff like that works.