Do women actually make less than men for the same job?
I say no. Why? Because they don't. Why do I say that? Because it is illegal...
My reasoning has more to it than that but that is a good enough start for now.
Has anyone claimed women make less than men for the same job? Your thread is a strawman.
Do women actually make less than men for the same job?
I say no. Why? Because they don't. Why do I say that? Because it is illegal...
My reasoning has more to it than that but that is a good enough start for now.
Women Are Still Paid Less Than Men - Even In The Same Job
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jwebb/...s-than-men-even-in-the-same-job/#733f2b9d4709
However, when examine salaries within the same job-role we should hope to see relatively even wage-levels. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Women appear to earn between 80-90% of men’s wages in the same role.
Do women actually make less than men for the same job?
I say no. Why? Because they don't. Why do I say that? Because it is illegal...
My reasoning has more to it than that but that is a good enough start for now.
The job might be the same, but the risk profile of employing a man and woman are different and require a cost adjustment.
Women Are Still Paid Less Than Men - Even In The Same Job
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jwebb/...s-than-men-even-in-the-same-job/#733f2b9d4709
Women do tend to get paid less, but that’s because they work less. It is definitely not some kind of discrimination inherent to the employment process. I mean it’s not like the employer is saying my male employees get paid $15/hr and my female employees will be paid $12/hr. It simply doesn’t work like that and as someone pointed out that is illegal if anyone is doing that. The fact of the matter is that women work far less and are way more inefficient than men, hence they get paid less. Personally I think women shouldn’t strive to be part of the workforce. I believe in traditional gender roles and even most women would agree they would be much happier as house wives rearing children than working all day and coming home in the evening exhausted. It’s part of male chivalry to insist your wife shouldn’t work outside the home and take care of the financial needs of the family yourself.
That's pretty damned sexist imo. I was largely in agreement with you until you got to the "women are inefficient" and women shouldn't be in the work force.
It is a fact that women on average work less hours than men, so I agree with that point. However, while there are situations that women would be less efficient (some cases involving physical labor) as a general rule especially in today's modern working environment that is absurd to say.
Physical labor, mental alertness, coming to work everyday and not always calling in sick…all of this is related to work efficiency. In general women score way lower than men in this regard. It’s not say that women are incompetent, there could be genuine factors that are biological, mental and the fact that women can’t handle stress as well as men, nor do they have that same drive and ambition that we do. And women that have small kids while at the same time working, especially single mothers are under extreme amount of stress that it’s quite unhealthy. Women weren’t meant for the workforce, they were meant for the apron.
It's not really illegal to pay women less than men for the same job. It's illegal if the reason you're doing so is because you're discriminating against women, but outside of catching an email trail or getting a company officer on tape saying it's policy to pay women less, it's very difficult to prove. If I hire two candidates for the same position, one man and one woman, both of whom are equally qualified, it's not illegal for me to offer them whatever I want to offer, and if I can get one for half as much as the other, it's legal for me to do so.
Companies whose policy it is to offer women less won't ever be caught actually saying that's what they're doing. And given the amount of power employers have in this country, it's practically impossible to bring a successful suit, let alone criminal prosecution, for discrimination. If an employer claims that he judged the worth of a female candidate to be lower than that of a male candidate, provided that judgment had nothing to do with the sex of the candidates as such, a huge amount of evidence has to be produced to prevail against that employer--and that's the case even when other reasonable people might see no difference in the qualifications between the male and female candidates. Employers get to count intangibles such as "attitude," "aggressiveness," "professional tenor," and so on as qualifications, and can claim to have based any difference in pay on the employer's comparative perception of those qualities.
I know all this, because I've worked for companies that had unwritten rules about who got raises and who didn't...only in both cases, it was women being paid more than men. Nevertheless, given the statistics, I think we can guess that more companies discriminate against women than against men.
Well done Bodhi, you just disproved your own OP. :clap:
I get the paid the same as my male work colleagues who have the same level of experience/qualifications that I do. Nothing more, nothing less, just as it should be.
I get the paid the same as my male work colleagues who have the same level of experience/qualifications that I do. Nothing more, nothing less, just as it should be.
Physical labor, mental alertness, coming to work everyday and not always calling in sick…all of this is related to work efficiency. In general women score way lower than men in this regard. It’s not say that women are incompetent, there could be genuine factors that are biological, mental and the fact that women can’t handle stress as well as men, nor do they have that same drive and ambition that we do. And women that have small kids while at the same time working, especially single mothers are under extreme amount of stress that it’s quite unhealthy. Women weren’t meant for the workforce, they were meant for the apron.
Physical labor, mental alertness, coming to work everyday and not always calling in sick…all of this is related to work efficiency. In general women score way lower than men in this regard. It’s not say that women are incompetent, there could be genuine factors that are biological, mental and the fact that women can’t handle stress as well as men, nor do they have that same drive and ambition that we do. And women that have small kids while at the same time working, especially single mothers are under extreme amount of stress that it’s quite unhealthy. Women weren’t meant for the workforce, they were meant for the apron.
Women do tend to get paid less, but that’s because they work less. It is definitely not some kind of discrimination inherent to the employment process. I mean it’s not like the employer is saying my male employees get paid $15/hr and my female employees will be paid $12/hr. It simply doesn’t work like that and as someone pointed out that is illegal if anyone is doing that. The fact of the matter is that women work far less and are way more inefficient than men, hence they get paid less. Personally I think women shouldn’t strive to be part of the workforce. I believe in traditional gender roles and even most women would agree they would be much happier as house wives rearing children than working all day and coming home in the evening exhausted. It’s part of male chivalry to insist your wife shouldn’t work outside the home and take care of the financial needs of the family yourself.
That's as it should be. Thankfully for you, you are not in the USA, where females are routinely paid less than males with the same level of experience/qualifications.
We're just women, after all. No penis, less worth, less pay.
ou're ahead of us now. I hope that is temporary, but I fear it is not.
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