Gender affirming Surgeries in DC on people under 16...

[Lisa]

Then some trans suicidal kids you don't really care about. They don't fit into your activism

OK, Dr/Ph.D. Vegas, then what are your ideas for this child that you conjured up? You have dug yourself into this corner, so how do you plan to dig yourself out? Admitting that you made a mistake as a way to entrap me would be the first step.

It's fine if they too are collateral damage

I'm following long-established treatment protocols with proven effectiveness. You need HRT for more than a year before bottom surgery. How exactly do you plan to administer HRT to a child whose body hasn't sufficiently developed to utilize that hormone?

Administering anti-Ds to a child of 5 is very dangerous and not medically supported. See chart at the bottom.

What to know about antidepressants for kids and teens

Antidepressants are often effective in treating depression and anxiety in children and teenagers, but there are some risks. Learn more.

www.mayoclinic.org

 

[vegas giants]

OK, Dr/Ph.D. Vegas, then what are your ideas for this child that you conjured up? You have dug yourself into this corner, so how do you plan to dig yourself out?


I'm following long-established treatment protocols with proven effectiveness. You need HRT for more than a year before bottom surgery. How exactly do you plan to administer HRT to a child whose body hasn't sufficiently developed to utilize that hormone?

I say we tell this child we will provide him the best psychiatric treatment available.....and he can have surgery when he is 18. Until then he can dress how he chooses.

Genital removal surgery is done at birth sometimes. It can get done at any time

 

[buck]

The issues are very minor and nobody is being pushed.

Lol. "Minor issues". Sure, Jan.

 

[Lisa]

I say we tell this child we will provide him the best psychiatric treatment available.....and he can have surgery when he is 18. Until then he can dress how he chooses.

Genital removal surgery is done at birth sometimes. It can get done at any time

Prove it.

Your first claim doesn't align with your second. The fact that GRS isn't genital removal is lost on you.

Lol. "Minor issues". Sure, Jan.

A 95% success rate with no consistent problems says it is minor.

 

[buck]

A 95% success rate with no consistent problems says it is minor.

Anyway, lisa is now claiming that sweden, et al are warning against or denying medicalization to potentially trans kids, which will bring about a holocaust of suicides, because of "minor issues".

 

[vegas giants]

Prove it.

Your first claim doesn't align with your second. The fact that GRS isn't genital removal is lost on you.


A 95% success rate with no consistent problems says it is minor.

You honestly don't think genital surgery is performed on some children at birth?


I fully question your 95%.....which leaves many mutilated children

 

[Lisa]

You honestly don't think genital surgery is performed on some children at birth?

Intersex surgeries are being banned because they are often wrong.

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — First-of-its-kind California legislation to ban some medically unnecessary surgeries on intersex children stalled Monday for the third straight year in the same committee, with the author saying that proposed amendments would have stripped much of its purpose.
State Sen. Scott Wiener, a Democrat from San Francisco, wants to bar certain types of surgeries on children born with intersex characteristics. That’s when their genitalia, chromosomes or reproductive organs don’t fit typical definitions for male or female bodies.
His bill would prohibit surgeries until the child is age 12, which advocates say would give the child time to develop a gender identity. His original proposal would delay procedures until age 6 unless they are deemed medically necessary.

California stalls bill banning intersex surgery for children

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — First-of-its-kind California legislation to ban some medically unnecessary surgeries on intersex children stalled Monday for the third straight year in the same committee, with the author saying that proposed amendments would have stripped much of its purpose...

apnews.com

I fully question your 95%.....which leaves many mutilated children

It also leaves many more whose lives have been improved. Their lives must mean something. You should learn statistics. If you have a 3.95 GPA you don't make big changes to your study habits. Did you have a 3.95 GPA? That is Summa Cum Lauda territory.

 

[vegas giants]

Intersex surgeries are being banned because they are often wrong.

California stalls bill banning intersex surgery for children

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — First-of-its-kind California legislation to ban some medically unnecessary surgeries on intersex children stalled Monday for the third straight year in the same committee, with the author saying that proposed amendments would have stripped much of its purpose...

apnews.com

It also leaves many more whose lives have been improved. Their lives must mean something.

They are NOT banned throughout the country


That is flat out wrong


Your numbers are based on a single study that you cling to


That is horrible science

 

[Lisa]

They are NOT banned throughout the country


That is flat out wrong


Your numbers are based on a single study that you cling to


That is horrible science

Surgeries on Intersex Infants are Bad Medicine

Sex, gender, and medical interventions for young people have been wildely discussed in state legislatures this year, with a record number of states introducing bills which would limit or prohibit gender-affirming care for transgender youth. Gender-affirming care is supported and recognized as...

healthlaw.org

Why Are Doctors Still Performing Genital Surgery on Infants?

Medical studies show that performing genital reshaping surgery on intersex children at birth or soon after usually causes psychological damage to patients. Yet this remains the standard of care in most countries, despite protests from patient advocates.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org

Surgery for intersex

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

BTW,. How many times do you plan to move the goalposts?

 

[vegas giants]

Surgeries on Intersex Infants are Bad Medicine

Sex, gender, and medical interventions for young people have been wildely discussed in state legislatures this year, with a record number of states introducing bills which would limit or prohibit gender-affirming care for transgender youth. Gender-affirming care is supported and recognized as...

healthlaw.org

Why Are Doctors Still Performing Genital Surgery on Infants?

Medical studies show that performing genital reshaping surgery on intersex children at birth or soon after usually causes psychological damage to patients. Yet this remains the standard of care in most countries, despite protests from patient advocates.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org

Surgery for intersex

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

BTW,. How many times do you plan to move the goalposts?

I haven't moved anything


You post opinions


Intersex surgeries continue as medical treatment

 

[Lisa]

I haven't moved anything


You post opinions


Intersex surgeries continue as medical treatment

We have moved from transgender care to intersex because your arguments failed but because you arent mature enough to admit you made a mistake you moved the goalposts to now discussing unneeded and very often unnecessary surgery on intersex infants.

This is from the intersex society themselves. https://isna.org/compare/

That surgery should wait until the patient has a voice.

Are intersexed genitals a medical problem?

No. Intersexed genitals are not a medical problem. They may signal an underlying metabolic concern, but they themselves are not diseased; they just look different. Metabolic concerns should be treated medically, but intersexed genitals are not in need of medical treatment. There is no evidence for the concealment paradigm, and there is evidence to the contrary.

The belief that the person with an intersex condition has the right to self determination where her or his body is concerned. Doing “normalizing” surgeries early without the individual’s consent interferes with that right; many surgeries and hormone treatments are not reversible. The risks are substantial and should only be taken if the patient has consented.

 

[vegas giants]

We have moved from transgender care to intersex because your arguments failed but because you arent mature enough to admit you made a mistake you moved the goalposts to now discussing unneeded and very often unnecessary surgery on intersex infants.

This is from the intersex society themselves. https://isna.org/compare/

That surgery should wait until the patient has a voice.

You argue like a child. Your arguments are like a fourth grader.


These are what your posts look like


You are losing so you make this personal


It is the sign of a failed argument

 

[Lisa]

You argue like a child. Your arguments are like a fourth grader.


These are what your posts look like


You are losing so you make this personal


It is the sign of a failed argument

I have sourced every statement from reputable medical science soucres. Your claim is an act of projection.

 

[vegas giants]

I have sourced every statement from reputable medical science soucres. Your claim is an act of projection.

And yet you constantly insult me


Your OPINIONS are noted and dismissed

 

[Lisa]

And yet you constantly insult me


Your OPINIONS are noted and dismissed

I am correcting you.

Those aren't my opinions. Those are medical facts that arent in agreement with your opinions.

As for the statement of psychological projection,

This is an example of projective identification. One of the most common types of projecting is when someone accuses others of being angry or a bully. This can be a way to deflect attention from that person's own feelings of anger and their guilt over having those feelings

and,

Why Do People Project?


The biggest reason, conscious or unconscious, that a person project is that they can’t admit they were wrong about something. For some, the idea of admitting you were wrong is an honest one. It’s a sign you are willing to grow and learn from your past mistakes. If someone doubles down and shifts the blame, it makes them seem like they are stubborn.


Humans tend to have a hard time admitting fault. No matter who you are, it takes some courage to shatter your ego and admit your mistakes. With that said, why do some people have a harder time admitting fault? Here are a few ideas.


The Belief You’re A Bad Person If You Are In the Wrong


Many people see themselves as the hero, and if the hero has a flaw or admits they were wrong, they are no longer the hero but the villain. This is a binary view that is skewed the more you think about it. Many heroes have flaws, and a good hero is willing to correct themselves should they have a flaw. Sometimes, even the best people make mistakes. That doesn’t mean they are bad, but instead, simply human. If you can admit that you were wrong, that means that you are strong enough to admit your flaws.


Defense Comes Naturally


Defending yourself is an emotion that is embedded in our minds. We used to be part of tribes that would defend each other, and our mind still behaves in ways that shield us from danger. Whenever you’re confronted, your mind thinks you’re in danger, and you must defend yourself or die. While some people know that they are not in physical danger, others will fight, flight, fawn, or freeze.

What Is Projection Psychology And What Does It Reveal About People? Exploring Projection Psychology | MyTherapist

Projection is when someone tries putting their feelings, flaws, and other quirks towards someone else, usually someone they argue with. Someone who projects will shift the blame to ignore their problems.

www.mytherapist.com

 

[vegas giants]

I am correcting you.

Those aren't my opinions. Those are medical facts that arent in agreement with your opinions.

As for the statement of psychological projection,



and,

What Is Projection Psychology And What Does It Reveal About People? Exploring Projection Psychology | MyTherapist

Projection is when someone tries putting their feelings, flaws, and other quirks towards someone else, usually someone they argue with. Someone who projects will shift the blame to ignore their problems.

www.mytherapist.com

Your post are filled with medical opinion....not fact


You want to make this all about me because on the facts you lose


Facts

Children who can not give informed consent will be mutilated under your plan


Now call me a name or insult me another way


It's all all have

 

[vegas giants]

I am correcting you.

Those aren't my opinions. Those are medical facts that arent in agreement with your opinions.

As for the statement of psychological projection,



and,

What Is Projection Psychology And What Does It Reveal About People? Exploring Projection Psychology | MyTherapist

Projection is when someone tries putting their feelings, flaws, and other quirks towards someone else, usually someone they argue with. Someone who projects will shift the blame to ignore their problems.

www.mytherapist.com

2019 clinical assessment found that 9.4% of patients with adolescent-emerging gender dysphoria either ceased wishing to pursue medical interventions or no longer felt that their gender identity was incongruent with their assigned sex at birth within an eighteen-month period.[28] A 2021 study examining the case notes of 175 adults discharged from a UK gender identity clinic between September 2017 and August 2018 found that 12 (6.9%) met the researchers' criteria for detransitioning—that is, they returned to living as their assigned gender.

 

[Renae]

There is nothing to support your claim that desistance is growing or that the numbers are more than 5%. The Swedish study has more statistical and academic errors than most It is not to be trusted. It has also never been reproduced.

The Controversial Research on 'Desistance' in Transgender Youth | KQED

For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority eventually ceased to identify as transgender. But some gender researchers say that research is faulty.

www.kqed.org

Were you forced or even coreced to transition as an adult?

.

Yes, there is, but you'd first have to be open to researching and understanding. You aren't, you're content repeating what you're told to think, no thought required.

 

[Lisa]

Yes, there is, but you'd first have to be open to researching and understanding. You aren't, you're content repeating what you're told to think, no thought required.

Where is the evidence to support your claims?

Your personal attacks are noted.

 

[vegas giants]

Where is the evidence to support your claims?

Your personal attacks are noted.

As are yours

 

[Phys251]

Then some trans suicidal kids you don't really care about. They don't fit into your activism


It's fine if they too are collateral damage

Why do people with transphobic views like to lie like this?

 

[vegas giants]

Why do people with transphobic views like to lie like this?

I give up. Why do you lie?

 

[Phys251]

Yes, there is, but you'd first have to be open to researching and understanding. You aren't, you're content repeating what you're told to think, no thought required.

^ Projection.

 

[vegas giants]

^ Projection.

You have no argument to debate

 

[Phys251]

I give up. Why do you lie?

You were asked first.