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Gay Woman Comes to Terms with the Transphobia of her Genital Preferences

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We're attracted to genders, not genitals. Very good introspection that people with trans-exclusive dating preferences need to have. If she can get over her "pee pees are icky" hang-up then straight men can deal with women who have penises.
 


We're attracted to genders, not genitals. Very good introspection that people with trans-exclusive dating preferences need to have. If she can get over her "pee pees are icky" hang-up then straight men can deal with women who have penises.


Hmmm... No.

You see a "straight man" is that way because "He" (like most species whose reproduction requires a male) produces packets of genetic information (sperm) which is one half of the reproductive mechanism. There is also a "She" the female which receives this genetic information to combine with her own genetic information (eggs). This combination of genetic material results in the development and birth of another juvenile male or female member of the species, which will also grow up to share their reproductive material with a member of the opposite sex. Moreover, this form of reproduction also provides cues (pheromones, hormones, physical displays, etc.) that act to aid in attraction of the healthiest, best match. Basically reproduction is the prime purpose for such division of the species into two sexes.

One caveat. It is possible that the small percentage of humans who are born into a sex, and can then be attracted into a "same-sex" relationship does have some biological source. Perhaps hormonal, since so far no purely genetic evidence of this has been found yet. But that can be put down to a biological effect of large populations acting to inhibit population growth. Or, it could simply be a psychological outgrowth of frustration due to inability to compete successfully but still desiring "sex" and affirmation.

Moreover, there are other species of creature which present as asexual (simply capable of reproducing by fission), and even a few species (like snails) that are factually bi-sexual in having both functional sex organs, and attraction drives.

But the idea that pretending someone can assert they are of an opposite sex to their birth, and that this magically eliminates all that complicated biology to the point that those who do not accept this "delusion" will be attracted to them and completely ignore biology? That is not very logical.
 
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We're attracted to genders, not genitals. Very good introspection that people with trans-exclusive dating preferences need to have. If she can get over her "pee pees are icky" hang-up then straight men can deal with women who have penises.

This is in no way an attack on trans people, but I'm definitely attracted to the genitals that usually comes with the gender I'm attracted to. There's nothing wrong with it.
 


We're attracted to genders, not genitals. Very good introspection that people with trans-exclusive dating preferences need to have. If she can get over her "pee pees are icky" hang-up then straight men can deal with women who have penises.

I’m seeing a lot of people who will need to re-educated when Caesar takes power
 
I’m seeing a lot of people who will need to re-educated when Caesar takes power
I'm not sure which delusion of yours is more absurd. The idea that people need to be reeducated or you think that there will be another emporor. Thank you for admitting to being a monarchist.
 
I'm not sure which delusion of yours is more absurd. The idea that people need to be reeducated or you think that there will be another emporor. Thank you for admitting to being a monarchist.
Having another emperor is a mathematical certainty. Polybius wrote about Anacyclosis and his Theory has consistently proven correct.
 
Having another emperor is a mathematical certainty. Polybius wrote about Anacyclosis and his Theory has consistently proven correct.
There has not been an Emporer in 500 years, despite the occasional fascists or dictators that ride up and then are deposed. What kind of person wants to live as a serf or slave under an abusive Emporer? You should move to North Korea or Malaysia if that is your fantasy.

Is another emperor part of your religious beliefs ort do you have an affection for abusive governments because you think that they will enforce your extremist ideas?
 
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There has not been an Emporer in 500 years, despite the occasional fascists or dictators that ride up and then are deposed. What kind of person wants to live as a serf or slave under an abusive Emporer? You should move to North Korea or Malaysia if that is your fantasy.

Is another emperor part of your religious beliefs ort do you have an affection for abusive governments because you think that they will enforce your extremist ideas?
“There has not been an emperor in 500 years”

no, this is false.

if we exclude people like FDR who acted as emperors, there were many people who openly used the title, two different Bonapartes in France, the Tsardom lasted until 1917, the Austrian Empire until 1918, Ottoman Empire until the same thing, etc
 


We're attracted to genders, not genitals. Very good introspection that people with trans-exclusive dating preferences need to have. If she can get over her "pee pees are icky" hang-up then straight men can deal with women who have penises.

Since women don't have penises, your statement is about as relevant to anything as debating who might be sexually attracted to unicorns.
 
I'm not sure which delusion of yours is more absurd. The idea that people need to be reeducated or you think that there will be another emporor. Thank you for admitting to being a monarchist.

Back on topic. Do you think a lesbian who isn't attracted to penises is transphobic?
 
Since women don't have penises, your statement is about as relevant to anything as debating who might be sexually attracted to unicorns.


I'll use math notation copypasta which I don't understand but maybe geeky right-wingers will.

W - set of all women
P - set of all people with penises
T - set of all trans women

T⊂P , T⊂W
∴ PW≠∅
 
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We're attracted to genders, not genitals. Very good introspection that people with trans-exclusive dating preferences need to have. If she can get over her "pee pees are icky" hang-up then straight men can deal with women who have penises.


Isn't this just a trans-themed version of the lesbophobic "you just haven't had good sex with a man, I can turn you straight" argument that lesbians have to endure?
 
Isn't this just a trans-themed version of the lesbophobic "you just haven't had good sex with a man, I can turn you straight" argument that lesbians have to endure?
Nope again.
 
On the woman question seems kinda sus for starters.
 
I'll use math notation copypasta which I don't understand but maybe geeky right-wingers will.

W - set of all women
P - set of all people with penises
T - set of all trans women

T⊂P , T⊂W
∴ PW≠∅

I am not a math person, but I think i get it anyway.

So... I would have to ask... what is the definition of woman (w) you are using? That info would be needed to determine whether its true or not.
 
I think we're getting a bit off topic with definitions.

The question at the heart of this topic is: is transphobia the reason lesbians are not attracted to penises? As the person in the video claims.
 


We're attracted to genders, not genitals. Very good introspection that people with trans-exclusive dating preferences need to have. If she can get over her "pee pees are icky" hang-up then straight men can deal with women who have penises.

This doesn't make any sense and it's beyond ignorant. Gender identity is not in any way the same as sexual orientation. The fact that neither is malleable is beyond her and many others. Trans females maybe are often attracted to guys and like penis' but they don't want it attached to them. That is why gender confirmation surgery exists.
 
This doesn't make any sense and it's beyond ignorant. Gender identity is not in any way the same as sexual orientation. The fact that neither is malleable is beyond her and many others. Trans females maybe are often attracted to guys and like penis' but they don't want it attached to them. That is why gender confirmation surgery exists.

That's just not true. Many transwomen are proud of their ladydicks or choose not to have them removed. A tiny number of transwomen even enjoy sending rape threats to women on twitter. I can't think of anything more male-centric than that.

Likewise, some transmen get pregnant and are quite happy being pregnant, which is the ultimate expression of femaleness.
 
That's just not true. Many transwomen are proud of their ladydicks or choose not to have them removed. A tiny number of transwomen even enjoy sending rape threats to women on twitter. I can't think of anything more male-centric than that.

Likewise, some transmen get pregnant and are quite happy being pregnant, which is the ultimate expression of femaleness.
Do you have sources for either of these two claims? How many trans people willfully choose not to have GRS when they can afford it and don't have other complications that stand in their way? Choosing not to have surgery outside of other complications says that their body dysphoria is not very severe or maybe they are not transgender. It is not unknown that non-binary and cross dressers or drag queens might take low dose HRT with no intention of being transgender or ever considering surgery.

They get pregnant and have children usually before they have surgery because they cannot do it afterward.

How many trans people do you know and have ever had conversations with that lasted more than a few minutes?
 
Do you have sources for either of these two claims? How many trans people willfully choose not to have GRS when they can afford it and don't have other complications that stand in their way? Choosing not to have surgery outside of other complications says that their body dysphoria is not very severe or maybe they are not transgender. It is not unknown that non-binary and cross dressers or drag queens might take low dose HRT with no intention of being transgender or ever considering surgery.

They get pregnant and have children usually before they have surgery because they cannot do it afterward.

How many trans people do you know and have ever had conversations with that lasted more than a few minutes?

Sources?? Jesus effing christ. Just Google girldick or search it on twitter.


You seem incredibly naive and ignorant of current transgender culture.
 
Do you have sources for either of these two claims? How many trans people willfully choose not to have GRS when they can afford it and don't have other complications that stand in their way? Choosing not to have surgery outside of other complications says that their body dysphoria is not very severe or maybe they are not transgender. It is not unknown that non-binary and cross dressers or drag queens might take low dose HRT with no intention of being transgender or ever considering surgery.

They get pregnant and have children usually before they have surgery because they cannot do it afterward.

How many trans people do you know and have ever had conversations with that lasted more than a few minutes?
As one with several transgenders in my local community, these people exist. There is indeed a wide range of people who present in stereotypical female mode, and not all of them identify as women, and not all want to go the full transition. As you noted, CD and Drag Queens and the like still identify as male, no matter how feminine they look. But there are many transwomen who do not get bottom surgery for a variety of reasons. To start with not all transgenders need SRS to alleviate their GD, And from what I've heard from many, there is no desire to go beyond the minimum needed, especially not for someone's ideal of what a transwoman or transman should be (i.e. having SRS). I'm not sure that I would go as far as claiming that such people are proud of their factory issued genitals, any more than I am proud of mine. They simply are just a part of them, one that doesn't interfere with their gender identity. Natalie Mars is a pretty famous (for the genere) porn actress, a transwoman who doesn't want to go through the full SRS. She is happy as she is. And she could afford it, no doubt. In various parts of Asia, there is a whole subculture of transwomen who have elected to keep their penis. Known as ladybois and several other names, they have their own place in that society and while the porn industry makes a kink of them, from what I understand, they are not limited to sex based careers. There is a wide variety of transwomen and transmen out there that have different body needs and desires. Don't fall into the stereotype of all transgenders wanting the full SRS path. It's not better than any other stereotypes.
 


We're attracted to genders, not genitals. Very good introspection that people with trans-exclusive dating preferences need to have. If she can get over her "pee pees are icky" hang-up then straight men can deal with women who have penises.

Not necessarily. For some people, gender is all that matters, and what is between the other's legs means nothing. But for others, the genitals are important and there is nothing wrong with that. Yes, such people have to make an educated guess as to whether the person they are hitting on is the right one for them, but oh well. It's not like they are promised an easy time of it. But it is still their sexual orientation, and any denying of it is the same as the denying of a person's gender identity.
 
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