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Op-Ed Columnist - Gay? Whatever, Dude - NYTimes.com

1. For the first time, the percentage of Americans who perceive “gay and lesbian relations” as morally acceptable has crossed the 50 percent mark. (You have to love the fact that they still use the word “relations.” So quaint.)
2. Also for the first time, the percentage of men who hold that view is greater than the percentage of women who do.
3. This new alignment is being led by a dramatic change in attitudes among younger men, but older men’s perceptions also have eclipsed older women’s. While women’s views have stayed about the same over the past four years, the percentage of men ages 18 to 49 who perceived these “relations” as morally acceptable rose by 48 percent, and among men over 50, it rose by 26 percent.
 

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I hate polls and studies. I think they're completely unreliable. But lets say I entertain that this one is reliable... it's a damn good thing attitudes are changing.
 

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I'm over 50 and my opinions sure haven't changed.
 

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I think that data reflects why many are turned off by the pro-gm activists.

The pride marchers are basically making a big deal out of being normal. Well good for you, you're normal, now tits or GTFO.
 

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I think that data reflects why many are turned off by the pro-gm activists.

The pride marchers are basically making a big deal out of being normal. Well good for you, you're normal, now tits or GTFO.
Problem is, even though this is true, and seemingly more people understand this than don't these days, it doesn't change the fact that if they are "normal", like everyone else, they are not being treated that way.
 

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I think that data reflects why many are turned off by the pro-gm activists.

The pride marchers are basically making a big deal out of being normal. Well good for you, you're normal, now tits or GTFO.
Younger people always have better views of this than older people, because they are growing up with firends that are either gay, or lesbianism . Your view point doesn't fit that perceptive at all really this show more of a change in people perspective than anything, since this has proven that the approval marker has reached over the 50% mark and this would be about 60% of all ages approve, and 40% of all ages disapprove. Give it a few more years I bet it will change even more perspective.
 
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Problem is, even though this is true, and seemingly more people understand this than don't these days, it doesn't change the fact that if they are "normal", like everyone else, they are not being treated that way.
They already are treated that way. It's all just so much of no big deal now.
 

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They already are treated that way. It's all just so much of no big deal now.
If they were, it wouldn't be a big deal.
 

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So nothing is a big deal when it involves 'normal' people? You sure about that?
What does a small town in Illinois have to do with this?
 

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Yay it's time to play "say something random that has no context in the discussion or anything what-so-ever to do with the thread"

Gardener you go first.
What does a small town in Illinois have to do with this?
LOL good one :lol: My turn....

The Elephant is the only animal with 4 knees, and is also the only mammal that can't jump.

Next :2wave:
 

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Problem is, even though this is true, and seemingly more people understand this than don't these days, it doesn't change the fact that if they are "normal", like everyone else, they are not being treated that way.
Probably because regardless of what 'polls' are reported to have indicated, majority of folk find Homosexuality and lesbianism to be disgusting.
 

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Probably because regardless of what 'polls' are reported to have indicated, majority of folk find Homosexuality and lesbianism to be disgusting.
I seriously doubt the majority of people find lesbianism disgusting. :roll:
Lesbian porn marketed to men sells like hotcakes.
 

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Just shows more and more people are waking up, probably through education, and realize that even if they dont like it for themselves that in america theres no room to discriminate against it.

This is good news.
 

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Yay it's time to play "say something random that has no context in the discussion or anything what-so-ever to do with the thread"

Gardener you go first.


LOL good one :lol: My turn....

The Elephant is the only animal with 4 knees, and is also the only mammal that can't jump.

Next :2wave:
That's actually really interesting.

PS: Swear gays can't get married in cali?
 

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Just shows more and more people are waking up, probably through education, and realize that even if they dont like it for themselves that in america theres no room to discriminate against it.

This is good news.
Uhh....we discriminate against everyone...that hasn't changed...gays are hazed just like every other demographic.

It may be that we just have more fun hating on radical Islam and the current administration's blunders than gays.

Without data showing how IQ plays a part in discrimination we can't say that this trend is due to education.
 

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Because the law restricts them?
Yeah.

At the time my wife and I wanted to include another woman. No can do, even-though marital status is a federally protected class.

You can't marry anyone with HIV. Application denied, even if you're both consenting adults.

You can't marry your first cousin.

Even with parental consent, you can't marry anyone under 16. Some young teens are very mature for their age, but that doesn't matter.

Your application to marry an immigrant can be denied based on the judgment of the case worker, even if you're both consenting adults. If they suspect fraud, your application is denied. If they discover that you have committed fraud, your marriage can be dissolved and you can be criminally charged.

So yeah there's all kinds of legal discrimination going on. Gays are nothing special.
 

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Yeah.

At the time my wife and I wanted to include another woman. No can do, even-though marital status is a federally protected class.

You can't marry anyone with HIV. Application denied, even if you're both consenting adults.

You can't marry your first cousin.

Even with parental consent, you can't marry anyone under 16. Some young teens are very mature for their age, but that doesn't matter.

Your application to marry an immigrant can be denied based on the judgment of the case worker, even if you're both consenting adults. If they suspect fraud, your application is denied. If they discover that you have committed fraud, your marriage can be dissolved and you can be criminally charged.

So yeah there's all kinds of legal discrimination going on. Gays are nothing special.
How the hell do any of these examples compare and not have a just explanation?


  • Fish have been on the earth for more than 450 million years.
  • Fish were well established long before dinosaurs roamed the earth.
  • There are over 25,000 identified species of fish on the earth.
  • It is estimated that there may still be over 15,000 fish species that have not yet been identified.
  • There are more species of fish than all the species of amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals combined.
  • 40% of all fish species inhabit fresh water, yet less than .01% of the earth's water is fresh water.
  • The spotted climbing perch is able to absorb oxygen from the air and will crawl overland using its strong pectoral fins.
  • Some fish like sharks don't posses an air bladder to help keep them afloat and must either swim continually or rest on the bottom.
 

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Uhh....we discriminate against everyone...that hasn't changed...gays are hazed just like every other demographic.
did i say anything changed? nope i said people are wising up

It may be that we just have more fun hating on radical Islam and the current administration's blunders than gays.
OK lol


Without data showing how IQ plays a part in discrimination we can't say that this trend is due to education.
who said IQ in general? I said education and I was refferring to a person being educated on gay issues and people which has in fact been proved in other similar areas as minorities and women. Many (not all) people not exposed or believing stereo types admitted to having discriminative, bigotry feelings because they just didnt know. Dont know if an exact study exist on gays but im sure its very similar and I myself can say exposure and education changed me so thats all the proof i need.

I have admitted before im not a gay "fan" but I am smarter now and more educated on gay issues and gay people and totally get I shouldnt discriminate against them and Im ashamed of my ignorance and hypocrisy i was practicing being an americanin my earlier days. Thank god I woke up.
 

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Yeah.

At the time my wife and I wanted to include another woman. No can do, even-though marital status is a federally protected class.

You can't marry anyone with HIV. Application denied, even if you're both consenting adults.

You can't marry your first cousin.

Even with parental consent, you can't marry anyone under 16. Some young teens are very mature for their age, but that doesn't matter.

Your application to marry an immigrant can be denied based on the judgment of the case worker, even if you're both consenting adults. If they suspect fraud, your application is denied. If they discover that you have committed fraud, your marriage can be dissolved and you can be criminally charged.

So yeah there's all kinds of legal discrimination going on. Gays are nothing special.
In which state is it illegal to marry someone with HIV?
I can find no such law in any state, although the law does exist in India (where it's currently in the process of being overturned).
 

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How the hell do any of these examples compare and not have a just explanation?


  • Fish have been on the earth for more than 450 million years.
  • Fish were well established long before dinosaurs roamed the earth.
  • There are over 25,000 identified species of fish on the earth.
  • It is estimated that there may still be over 15,000 fish species that have not yet been identified.
  • There are more species of fish than all the species of amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals combined.
  • 40% of all fish species inhabit fresh water, yet less than .01% of the earth's water is fresh water.
  • The spotted climbing perch is able to absorb oxygen from the air and will crawl overland using its strong pectoral fins.
  • Some fish like sharks don't posses an air bladder to help keep them afloat and must either swim continually or rest on the bottom.
Wow you totally lost me, I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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