Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va [W: 86,235]

[Bronson]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

It is good to see that you are still uneducated on this topic and that you still don't know what the definitions of words are. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation. A sexual fetish is the focusing on an object or a specific sexual situation that ENHANCES a romantic/sexual situation. I have now corrected you. Again.

Homosexuality is a fetish

It's a mental disorder. They've done the studies with ID Twins (exact same DNA). No gay gene

Carry on with your gay thumper thread. If Homosexuality was natural Evolution would have found a purpose for it by now.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

Homosexuality is a fetish

Already proven it's not by definition.

That's strike one.

It's a mental disorder. They've done the studies with ID Twins (exact same DNA).

Already proven wrong both by studies such as the Hooker study and through the fact that identical twins have differences in the DNA (epigenetic differences).

Strike two.

No gay gene

... discovered yet. Already proven through logic that the above comment is wrong.

And that's strike three. Bronson, as usual fails to even come close to hitting the ball.

Carry on with your gay thumper thread. If Homosexuality was natural Evolution would have found a purpose for it by now.

And yet you're still here, getting humiliated as your lack of knowledge on this topic is being exposed as it usually is.

 

[Bronson]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

Already proven it's not by definition.

That's strike one.

You're not citing a definition. You're citing a marketing strategy which has been pushed for decades to make people believe Homosexuality is natural and normal. It is nothing of the sort.

Homosexuality is a mental disorder. All fetishes are a mental disorder. Gays use their partners to masturbate or engage in sodomy. There is no true sexual intercourse. Enough with this premise that Gays are these clean wonderful moral people or something that we can't criticize. What they do is filthy. It is classified as "high risk" behavior. It is an unhealthy and unnatural sexual practice.

There are SEVERE health risks associated with it. Do you engage in severe risky behavior knowingly? Nature didn't intend something to be rammed up where the poop comes out. I know MSNBC told you differently, but the biological purpose of the anus has to do with holding feces. It's filled with bacteria. Only someone with some serious issues would want to put their penis in that.

Already proven wrong both by studies such as the Hooker study and through the fact that identical twins have differences in the DNA (epigenetic differences).

Strike two.

Incorrect

It wasn't even 5% in the studies. These studies were done by pro gay researchers. Even one of the most prominent researchers admitted recently there isn't a gay gene. That it's entirely external and environmental factors after birth. They haven't found one for lack of trying. They haven't found one because it doesn't exist.

... discovered yet. Already proven through logic that the above comment is wrong.

Time Travel hasn't been discovered yet either. Good luck with that

And that's strike three. Bronson, as usual fails to even come close to hitting the ball.

Says the guy who is anti science. Those who can't pass on their genes die out. If homosexuality was genetic, Evolution would have found a purpose for it by now.

And yet you're still here, getting humiliated as your lack of knowledge on this topic is being exposed as it usually is.

Do you honestly think I give 2 (*&^% what your opinion of me is? We have the same argument once a week. Can you guys chill with the Gay Thumper agenda a bit and trim these "homosexuality is awesome you're a bigot if you don't agree" threads down to once a month please. Thanks.

 

[douglas]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

You're not citing a definition. You're citing a marketing strategy which has been pushed for decades to make people believe Homosexuality is natural and normal. It is nothing of the sort.

It happens in nature, which is the definition of natural. We have tens of thousands of documented cases of Homosexual relations between animals, many of which were monogamous.

Homosexuality is a mental disorder.

You made this claim several times, and yet haven't even attempted to show proof for it. I know of no such study, research, or even reputable claim from the medical field that supports this idea, and plenty that supports the opposite.

All fetishes are a mental disorder.

That sentence is syntactically incorrect; if you meant "People who obsess over fetishes have a mental disorder", that would still be factually incorrect. Psychologists have concluded that sexual attraction towards fetishes are perfectly natural and healthy.

Gays use their partners to masturbate or engage in sodomy.

Yes. What's your point? Oh, and "sodomy" in the bible refers to inhospitality;

Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. (Ezekiel 16.49–50 NASB)

There is no true sexual intercourse.

That's simply your opinion, there is no "true" sexual anything.

Enough with this premise that Gays are these clean wonderful moral people or something that we can't criticize. What they do is filthy. It is classified as "high risk" behavior. It is an unhealthy and unnatural sexual practice.

That you'd see them as bad people simply because of the way they have sex is pretty darn pathetic. They don't hate you, even when you hate them.

There are SEVERE health risks associated with it. Do you engage in severe risky behavior knowingly? Nature didn't intend something to be rammed up where the poop comes out. I know MSNBC told you differently, but the biological purpose of the anus has to do with holding feces. It's filled with bacteria. Only someone with some serious issues would want to put their penis in that.

In case you didn't know, there are SEVERE health risks with having Heterosexual intercourse. It's not like STD's just don't exist when it's a man and a woman. There's microbes everywhere in the human body, everywhere.

It wasn't even 5% in the studies. These studies were done by pro gay researchers. Even one of the most prominent researchers admitted recently there isn't a gay gene. That it's entirely external and environmental factors after birth. They haven't found one for lack of trying. They haven't found one because it doesn't exist.

Until we discovered DNA, did it not exist? That's not how science works.

If homosexuality was genetic, Evolution would have found a purpose for it by now.

Evolution doesn't need to depend on genetics by themselves, it has a societal aspect. Homosexuals serve the same roles that Heterosexuals do in society, whilst not increasing the population. That is a valid Evolutionary benefit, since overpopulation isn't.

 

[American]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

I figured it would be the case. Now the pro-gay rights people need to recognize a few of these are going to fail before biased partisan judges. Eventually the supreme court will have tio make a true decision on this, and they have already showed that equality is more important than allowing people to vote other's rights away. I would have to say the courts were goiong to be the only place that would have done it for the whole US anyway considering how backwards the majority is in some states.

That's not what they said about Obamacare.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

1.)Homosexuality is a fetish
2.)There is no gay gene
3.)That's the science. Not my problem you are anti science.
4.)Carry on with your Gay Thumper thread

1.) so you still have nothing to back this claim up huh just gonna repeat it like its true? let us know when you can provide a link and facts saying orientation is a fetish.
2.) there is no straight gene
3.) you havent provided any science facts yet
4.) translation you got nothign and your nonsense and posted lies were destroyed again. Continue on getting owned and your lies exposed.

 

[Bronson]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

It happens in nature, which is the definition of natural. We have tens of thousands of documented cases of Homosexual relations between animals, many of which were monogamous.

I've swatted this lie away a thousand times. Homosexual sexual activity doesn't occur in nature because of sexual attraction. There is no gay instinct in animals to mate. It happens because of dominance and other confused stimuli. It's completely irrational behavior.

You made this claim several times, and yet haven't even attempted to show proof for it. I know of no such study, research, or even reputable claim from the medical field that supports this idea, and plenty that supports the opposite.

Homosexuality was classified as a DSM II mental disorder until it was removed for political purposes. Like Global Warming, The Left has politicized science. Gay Mafia activists would repeatedly picket APA events and get their protests all over the evening news until the APA eventually relented and removed it from the DSM. This was done for political reasons. Not scientific.

That sentence is syntactically incorrect; if you meant "People who obsess over fetishes have a mental disorder", that would still be factually incorrect. Psychologists have concluded that sexual attraction towards fetishes are perfectly natural and healthy.

You're lying

Is beastiality natural and healthy? How about pedophilia? Secondly we know homosexual sex (sodomy between males) is the most risky form of sexual behavior practiced. Ramming your penis up a feces bag filled with nasty bacteria isn't natural and it isn't healthy.

Yes. What's your point? Oh, and "sodomy" in the bible refers to inhospitality;

Not sure why you're bringing up The Bible at this point.

Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. (Ezekiel 16.49–50 NASB)

oooo k... little off topic man

That's simply your opinion, there is no "true" sexual anything.

You're not entitled to your own reality. Male + female sexual organs have a specific purpose that compliments each other. The anus does not. It's biological purpose is to hold and discharge feces.

That you'd see them as bad people simply because of the way they have sex is pretty darn pathetic. They don't hate you, even when you hate them.

I don't see them "as bad people". I see them as people who engages in filthy dirty behavior. The fact that people like you see them as angels beyond criticism is annoying and stupid.

In case you didn't know, there are SEVERE health risks with having Heterosexual intercourse. It's not like STD's just don't exist when it's a man and a woman. There's microbes everywhere in the human body, everywhere.

I didn't say STDs. There are severe health risks beyond STDs. There's rectal bleeding, tearing, prolapse and disease beyond STDs lurking in that feces bag gay people put their penis. It's the riskiest sexual behavior there is. Unnatural.

Until we discovered DNA, did it not exist? That's not how science works.

No gay gene found and not for lack of trying. Even pro gay researchers have given up.

Evolution doesn't need to depend on genetics by themselves, it has a societal aspect. Homosexuals serve the same roles that Heterosexuals do in society, whilst not increasing the population. That is a valid Evolutionary benefit, since overpopulation isn't.

Evolution is blind. Are 100% of homosexual males born sterile? You're acting like the plumbing doesn't work. The Overpopulation theory just doesn't hold up. Sorry.

Anyways, carry on with your Gay Thumper thread. Tell us all how moral and good ramming a penis in a diseased feces bag is for society. Good luck with that.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

I've swatted this lie away a thousand times. Homosexual sexual activity doesn't occur in nature because of sexual attraction. There is no gay instinct in animals to mate. It happens because of dominance and other confused stimuli. It's completely irrational behavior.



Homosexuality was classified as a DSM II mental disorder until it was removed for political purposes. Like Global Warming, The Left has politicized science. Gay Mafia activists would repeatedly picket APA events and get their protests all over the evening news until the APA eventually relented and removed it from the DSM. This was done for political reasons. Not scientific.



You're lying

Is beastiality natural and healthy? How about pedophilia? Secondly we know homosexual sex (sodomy between males) is the most risky form of sexual behavior practiced. Ramming your penis up a feces bag filled with nasty bacteria isn't natural and it isn't healthy.



Not sure why you're bringing up The Bible at this point.



oooo k... little off topic man



You're not entitled to your own reality. Male + female sexual organs have a specific purpose that compliments each other. The anus does not. It's biological purpose is to hold and discharge feces.



I don't see them "as bad people". I see them as people who engages in filthy dirty behavior. The fact that people like you see them as angels beyond criticism is annoying and stupid.



I didn't say STDs. There are severe health risks beyond STDs. There's rectal bleeding, tearing, prolapse and disease beyond STDs lurking in that feces bag gay people put their penis. It's the riskiest sexual behavior there is. Unnatural.



No gay gene found and not for lack of trying. Even pro gay researchers have given up.



Evolution is blind. Are 100% of homosexual males born sterile? You're acting like the plumbing doesn't work. The Overpopulation theory just doesn't hold up. Sorry.

Anyways, carry on with your Gay Thumper thread. Tell us all how moral and good ramming a penis in a diseased feces bag is for society. Good luck with that.

watching your posts and lies fail time and time again, getting destoryed by poster after poster is pure entertainment. This type of nonsense is exactly one of the things helping equal rights for gays!. It spotlights how uneducated the opposition is and i hope you never stop and you post in every equal rights thread. It helps remind and show people how inane, nonsensical and totally mentally inept the arguments against equality are. PLEASE keep posting, its halarious!

 

[roguenuke]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

Understatement of the century

So the state shouldn't discriminate against any sexual fetishes right?

Not unless the "fetish" can be shown to cause measurable harm to someone or society. In general, the answer is "no", since most sexual "fetishes" do not cause harm.

 

[Bronson]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

Not unless the "fetish" can be shown to cause measurable harm to someone or society. In general, the answer is "no", since most sexual "fetishes" do not cause harm.

So any fetish should have the right to change the definition of marriage?

What harm does beastiality cause to society? Muslims marry 13 year olds and engage in pedophilia. I thought we were supposed to be tolerant of Muslims?

 

[roguenuke]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

So any fetish should have the right to change the definition of marriage?

What harm does beastiality cause to society? Muslims marry 13 year olds and engage in pedophilia. I thought we were supposed to be tolerant of Muslims?

Beastiality can be reasonably shown to cause harm. Pedophilia and marrying those at rather young ages can be shown to cause harm. Both can be shown to be negative for society, plus neither those under 18 nor animals can legally enter into any contracts in the US. Marriage, legal marriage, civil marriage, is a legal contract.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

1.)So any fetish should have the right to change the definition of marriage?

2.)What harm does beastiality cause to society?
3.) Muslims marry 13 year olds and engage in pedophilia. I thought we were supposed to be tolerant of Muslims?

1.) fact 1: no definition is changing, fact 2 orientation is not a fetish

2.) this is a crime against animals, a crime

3.) minors cant enter contracts, not all muslims do this anymore than people in general and pedophilia is a crime with a victim, its child rape

4.) what you said has nothing to do with "muslims"

ooops, facts destroy your posted lies again.
DO you ever post anything of intellectual merit that doesn't instantly get exposed and destroyed ? we'd love to read it.

 

[Bronson]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

Beastiality can be reasonably shown to cause harm. Pedophilia and marrying those at rather young ages can be shown to cause harm. Both can be shown to be negative for society, plus neither those under 18 nor animals can legally enter into any contracts in the US. Marriage, legal marriage, civil marriage, is a legal contract.

In what way? We kill and eat animals all day, every day. People leave their pets money all the time and lastly, Animal Rights wackos want animals to have the same rights as humans. Arguments can be made that homosexuality is also destructive and unhealthy for society. STDs are most easily transmitted through anal sex, not to mention the health risks other than STDs associated with anal sex.

Richard Dawkins recently even suggested that "mild pedophilia" be legal. It's legal in some Muslim Cultures. So why are you so intolerant and afraid of Muslims?

 

[AGENT J]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

In what way? We kill and eat animals all day, every day. People leave their pets money all the time and lastly, Animal Rights wackos want animals to have the same rights as humans. Arguments can be made that homosexuality is also destructive and unhealthy for society. STDs are most easily transmitted through anal sex, not to mention the health risks other than STDs associated with anal sex.

Richard Dawkins recently even suggested that "mild pedophilia" be legal. It's legal in some Muslim Cultures. So why are you so intolerant and afraid of Muslims?

you keep repeating this lie and it fails every single time

some priest also molest children too does that mean that being against child rape is being again Christianity or they all do it? of course not because associations like that would be mentally retarded, theres no logic behind it. its a failed strawman.

You lost to facts again.

 

[Bronson]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

1.) fact 1: no definition is changing, fact 2 orientation is not a fetish

It's a fetish

2.) this is a crime against animals, a crime

We kill and eat animals every day

3.) minors cant enter contracts, not all muslims do this anymore than people in general and pedophilia is a crime with a victim, its child rape

It's common practice in some Muslim cultures. Who are to judge? Why do you hate Muslims?

4.) what you said has nothing to do with "muslims"

Iran lawmakers pass bill allowing men to marry adopted daughters | World news | theguardian.com

Parliamentarians in Iran have passed a bill to protect the rights of children which includes a clause that allows a man to marry his adopted daughter and while she is as young as 13 years.

Activists have expressed alarm that the bill, approved by parliament on Sunday, opens the door for the caretaker of a family to marry his or her adopted child if a court rules it is in the interests of the individual child.

ooops, facts destroy your posted lies again.
DO you ever post anything of intellectual merit that doesn't instantly get exposed and destroyed ? we'd love to read it.

These Gay Thumper threads are always a source of endless entertainment. I enjoy watching how emotional and passionate you get in defense of ramming a penis into a bag filled with feces and dirty bacteria :lol:

you keep repeating this lie and it fails every single time

some priest also molest children too does that mean that being against child rape is being again Christianity or they all do it? of course not because associations like that would be mentally retarded, theres no logic behind it. its a failed strawman.

You lost to facts again.

See above

In fact an 8 year old girl just died after being raped by her 42 year old husband in one these derka derka cultures

 

[roguenuke]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

In what way? We kill and eat animals all day, every day. People leave their pets money all the time and lastly, Animal Rights wackos want animals to have the same rights as humans. Arguments can be made that homosexuality is also destructive and unhealthy for society. STDs are most easily transmitted through anal sex, not to mention the health risks other than STDs associated with anal sex.

Richard Dawkins recently even suggested that "mild pedophilia" be legal. It's legal in some Muslim Cultures. So why are you so intolerant and afraid of Muslims?

And yet we give animals limited rights to not be treated cruelly. They don't maintain the same rights as us, obviously, just as children don't. But they still have some rights and not being used for the personal sexual satisfaction of humans is one of those in most, if not all, states.

It doesn't matter what Muslim cultures believe. What matters is what our laws are. Our laws place children at a lower rights level but having extra legal protections under the law to go along with that. It has nothing to do with "intolerance" or "being afraid", that is merely you trying to deflect the truth of the argument.

And it still goes to the very fact that our laws do not allow for children or animals to enter into contracts legally for very good, logical reasons. You cannot prove any measurable harm done to society or individuals due to homosexuality itself. All you have is personal opinions that derive from your dislike of homosexuals.

And anal sex is participated in much more by heterosexuals, numerically, than it is homosexuals. Argument fails.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

1.)It's a fetish
2.)We kill and eat animals every day
3.)It's common practice in some Muslim cultures. Who are to judge? Why do you hate Muslims?
4.)Iran lawmakers pass bill allowing men to marry adopted daughters | World news | theguardian.com
5.)These Gay Thumper threads are always a source of endless entertainment. I enjoy watching how emotional and passionate you get in defense of ramming a penis into a bag filled with feces and dirty bacteria :lol:

1.) links? proof? facts? you have none, thats what so funny to us.
please though feel free to prove orientation is a fetish when you can, we'd love to read it.
2.) correct, NOT a crime very good
3.) so is it with some chrisitians and Catholics? fact is though its against the law, its a crime, its child rape. HUGE difference and common sense that defeats your failed strawman again.
4.) see 3 the facts i stated stand and you haven changed that one bit
5.) once again exposing yourself, you think about this visual alot you are always talking about it. I think we may have found all the answers we need.

facts destroy you again, this is fun

 

[Mr.Nick]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

"Gay rights" is a crock of ****....

Gay rights = race card...

I really never cared about who's gay and who's not but now gays are whiny little pricks IMO...

It has nothing to do with rights and everything to do with attempting to take advantage of every situation possible...

 

[roguenuke]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

"Gay rights" is a crock of ****....

Gay rights = race card...

I really never cared about who's gay and who's not but now gays are whiny little pricks IMO...

It has nothing to do with rights and everything to do with attempting to take advantage of every situation possible...

It is about being able to marry the person you want to marry because if not for your relative sexes/genders, you would otherwise be able to legally marry. And no one can show a legitimate state interest furthered in having a sex/gender based restriction on marriage.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

"Gay rights" is a crock of ****....

Gay rights = race card...

I really never cared about who's gay and who's not but now gays are whiny little pricks IMO...

It has nothing to do with rights and everything to do with attempting to take advantage of every situation possible...

you are free to that opinion no matter how factually false it is and you can still keep that opinion it after they have equal rights :shrug:
thats what makes this country great!

 

[Ikari]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

Just saying, there are some on the pro-SSM side that are literally deranged in their thinking, toss out grand judgments about their opposition and would violate the rights of states and voters to push their view of "equality" upon everyone. What I think is telling is when people think those who disagree shouldn't be allowed to have a vote or legal voice, especially considering that traditional marriage is the legal default and has been for hundreds of years with the issue of SSM being a change in policy instead of some new epiphany on "equality" that needs legal action with laws as written today.

SSM is not like interacial marriage, that's a very very weak straw-man and slander tactic that is constantly tossed aorund in these threads. Let me know when sexuality is specifically mentioned in the Constitution as protected like race is (and don't try and use the fallacy that it's illegal gender discrimination to ban SSM). It's special interests that largely push these bans and violate the established law and default law of traditional marriage. I would say what Russia is doing is far more similar to what many on the pro-SSM side wants with using the government to chip away the rights and laws of dissenting individuals when they essentially argue that people have no right to vote on their views regarding marriage and that now, given some kind of social epiphany, SSM must be a default rule of law without a Constitutional amendment when traditional marriage has been default and legal for hundreds of years.

SSM is exactly analogous to Interracial Marriage. In fact, the Marriage License was formed specifically to discriminate against interracial marriage and is now being used to discriminate against same sex marriage.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

It is about being able to marry the person you want to marry because if not for your relative sexes/genders, you would otherwise be able to legally marry. And no one can show a legitimate state interest furthered in having a sex/gender based restriction on marriage.

I don't give a **** - It makes no ****ing difference to me considering marriage is NOT A LEGAL RIGHT.... If you want it to be then amend the ****ing constitution...

Of course that idea is too ****ing complicated to understand.

Not to mention I have put that "J" progressive communist on ignore so I cant even see what the hell he posts...

There is no such thing as "gay rights" its all a power grab and the less informed and less educated fall for it because they allow themselves to be brainwashed with communist propaganda.

 

[Verthaine]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

These Gay Thumper threads are always a source of endless entertainment. I enjoy watching how emotional and passionate you get in defense of ramming a penis into a bag filled with feces and dirty bacteria :lol:

Sounds like you are "getting off on it" actually.
What's your opinion about two hot lesbians doing cunnilingus on one another?You seem to only focus on the male form of homosexuality.Why is that?

 

[Bronson]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

And yet we give animals limited rights to not be treated cruelly. They don't maintain the same rights as us, obviously, just as children don't. But they still have some rights and not being used for the personal sexual satisfaction of humans is one of those in most, if not all, states.

How can sex be cruel if love is involved?

It doesn't matter what Muslim cultures believe.

:lol:

And it still goes to the very fact that our laws do not allow for children or animals to enter into contracts legally for very good, logical reasons. You cannot prove any measurable harm done to society or individuals due to homosexuality itself. All you have is personal opinions that derive from your dislike of homosexuals.

Sure I can. Just look at how risky their sexual behaviors are. Look at the promiscuity in the gay community. Ever heard of bath houses?

And anal sex is participated in much more by heterosexuals, numerically, than it is homosexuals. Argument fails.

Your argument fails and strengthens mine. Anal sex = far far more riskier than heterosexual sex. It's a bag biologically designed to hold and discharge feces. It's a dirty place filled with nasty germs and bacteria. When you factor in bisexuality, it absolutely has a negative effect on society.

Sounds like you are "getting off on it" actually.
What's your opinion about two hot lesbians doing cunnilingus on one another?You seem to only focus on the male form of homosexuality.Why is that?

Herp a derp

You only prove my point. "Hot Lesbians" are nothing more than a fetish for porn addicted morons.

 

[Bronson]

Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

It is about being able to marry the person you want to marry because if not for your relative sexes/genders, you would otherwise be able to legally marry. And no one can show a legitimate state interest furthered in having a sex/gender based restriction on marriage.

Marriage is not a Civil Right

Gays don't deserve a special right to change the definition from man + woman to man + ? or woman + ?

If you give gays the special right you have to give it to every other deviant fetish sexual group as well