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Gay Republicans - WHY?

SmokeAndMirrors said:
The issue is this: Why would you be in a party in which most of the prominent members proudly discriminate against you and think you're disgusting? THAT is the question.
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I think one answer may be that you are talking about the party on the national level, while every particular gay or brunette thinks about his fellow Republicans or Democrats she actually meets in daily life. Having spent 25 years in Massachusetts, I don't find it odd at all that there are gay Republicans: the "prominent members" of the Mass GOP - starting with Governor Weld - had been strongly pro-gay-rights for years before it was fashionable. Nobody there thought that having a gay Leader of Senate Minority - Robert Tisei (R) - causes some kind of cognitive dissonance...
 
Peter Grimm said:
If they weren't so anti-religion, I would probably vote Democrat most of the time.
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Rev. Al Sharpton or Rev. Jesse Jackson do not strike me as especially anti-religion.
 
libertarian2016 said:
I agree with pretty much all of what you said but this. The only reason the GOP might not be done is because of true conservatives like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz gaining popularity.
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I really think they are the black sheep. The good little boys are McCain and Romney.

But the constituents do a number on the Republican party also. Herman Cain was forced to step down over some bs. Imagine if our first black president had been a conservative. That would really stick it to the professional racists that claim the republicans are racist. Sure the usual does will carry on about uncle tom and blah. Bit they would be finished.

He dropped in polls because he is human. I heard many republicans saying they wouldn't vote for him because he did so and so. Think the democrats care that Barney frank molested children? Or that Clinton revived a bj?

They stand behind their candidates, republicans want to elect Jesus.
 
CLAX1911 said:
They stand behind their candidates, republicans want to elect Jesus.
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He is too much of a RINO. All that mumbo jumbo about helping the poor, welcoming strangers, loving your neighbors, and providing for the sick and infirm does not play well into helping the wealthy become more wealthy.
 
rocket88 said:
But, but....you're wasting your vote! A vote for Libertarians is just a vote for Obama and Communism!
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I disagree. Last year the two parties gave me a choice of Romney whom I didn't trust or Obama whom I lost faith in. I voted for Gary Johnson. Why would anyone in their right mind vote for someone whom you have no faith in or someone you do not trust? When you vote for the least worst candidate, you still have a very bad winner.
 
Peter Grimm said:
If they weren't so anti-religion, I would probably vote Democrat most of the time.
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Since there is no openly atheist democrat in federal government, much less anti-religion, I don't know where you get this. Stark was the only one. If anything, atheists are totally lacking in representation.
 
CriticalThought said:
He is too much of a RINO. All that mumbo jumbo about helping the poor, welcoming strangers, loving your neighbors, and providing for the sick and infirm does not play well into helping the wealthy become more wealthy.
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That isn't what the Republican party does, not any more than the democrat party.
 

Yeah, I heard GW got like a million gay votes in '04 and that totally blew my mind at first. I mean, 99% of the black vote gets behind Obama and we can't do the same. I get that most people vote their wallet (though the winner makes little difference, but separate argument), but when one party blatantly hates you and thinks you inferior, I just don't get it at that point. It's embarrassing.

Then again, it's not like Kerry or even Obama were great alternatives. Practically every democrat has lagged behind public sentiment in their state or the fed, far from being leaders. I guess one exception was Howard Dean, but Clinton for example just recently said he's against DOMA....Well why did he sign it then!? I mean, if only he were in a position of power to do something about civil rights. These things do matter and they do harm people and hundreds of politicians from both parties are to blame. Even this 2012 cycle, 3rd parties were the most supportive. So yeah, I couldn't care less for either major party, and I suspect a fair number of democrats in office only support gay rights because they're expected to do so.
 
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Completely correct. "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was like something somebody thought up while sniffing glue........................
 
Bonzai said:
Completely correct. "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was like something somebody thought up while sniffing glue........................
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Perhaps Bonz, but it was a necessary step first step. Without it I doubt that gays could be serving openly in the military today.
 
Perotista said:
Perhaps Bonz, but it was a necessary step first step. Without it I doubt that gays could be serving openly in the military today.
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I really don't know what I really think about the issue-----------Mainly because I'm not really sure what I think of a place that would have such a "law"............It was a joke, but if you buy into "evolving" I guess it flew...................
 
66gardeners said:
Please explain what the 75% you vote for entails. It sure isn't spending money wisely so don't even go there.
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Don't look at me. I'm not queer and I'm not Republican-- I vote for Republicans when the Democrats are trying to take away my gun rights and I vote for Democrats when Republicans are trying to take my abortion rights away, because both issues are dealbreakers for me. Otherwise, I think both parties are driving this country into destruction and my politics are merely the politics of survival.


If gay rights were more important to you than the reasons you supported the GOP in the first place. Just because you're gay doesn't mean that being gay is your most important issue.

SmokeAndMirrors said:
Fair enough. I just don't know how I'd tolerate being in a room full of people who mostly think I'm somehow a little bit less human.
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Imagine that your choices are sitting in a room with people who think you're subhuman or sitting in a room with people trying to destroy your way of life. Your options suck, but you have to pick the one that's easiest for you to live with.
 
Bonzai said:
I really don't know what I really think about the issue-----------Mainly because I'm not really sure what I think of a place that would have such a "law"............It was a joke, but if you buy into "evolving" I guess it flew...................
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I think at the time DADT was quite an accomplishment. The JCS fought Clinton tooth and nail over this. This falls into that old saying, "A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step."
 


That's what I did too, but I had a bunch of righties here who were all upset that I really "voted for Obama" and just didn't want to say I did.
 
Perotista said:
I think at the time DADT was quite an accomplishment. The JCS fought Clinton tooth and nail over this. This falls into that old saying, "A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step."
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I sort of lost touch with the American zeitgeist around that time..............
 
CLAX1911 said:
That isn't what the Republican party does, not any more than the democrat party.
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Are you sure the Republicans know that is the case? I'm sorry, but I just can't get behind the idea that they are anything but a party that is about helping those who have already made it. I know they used to be about things like personal responsibility and individual freedom but those values seem to have gone out the window in this day and age where half the country is a bunch of "takers" and people who want to return to Clinton era tax policies are bringing "class war" because they are so "envious" of the success of the wealthy.
 

Which, obviously, alot of gay people did during the 80's and 90's, which only goes to show that gay people can fall victim to cognitive dissonance like anyone else....................
 
rocket88 said:
That's what I did too, but I had a bunch of righties here who were all upset that I really "voted for Obama" and just didn't want to say I did.
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They are plain wrong. If Obama had 100 votes and I voted for him, that gives him 101. If I voted for Johnson, that still leaves Obama at 100. His vote total did not go up.
 
Bonzai said:
Which, obviously, alot of gay people did during the 80's and 90's, which only goes to show that gay people can fall victim to cognitive dissonance like anyone else....................
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Or that, despite being gay, they can have policy priorities other than gay rights.
 

I see democrats as not wanting to help anyone, but putting them all on the government dime so as to subjugate them. they told huge corporations that they don't have to pay taxes at all.

I see democrats as takers. Taking my money and giving it to those to lazy to work. That being said the republicans seem to want the same thing lately. I Prefer the Eisenhower days of republicans as being the best.
 

Sorry, but that is a dumb argument. People who make the, "people don't want to work" argument are usually the laziest bunch because being without work is among one of the most boring and depressing things that can happen to a person. Even for people who don't like their jobs, work provides an opportunity to advance skills and provide for their family, which is considerably better than the alternative. Honestly, the Puritan work ethic thing is antiquated. Work is psychologically healthy and something most people WANT to do. There has to be something seriously wrong with you to think that other people do not want to work. Even a crack dealer or street hustler understands the value of work, even if they don't go about it in a societally acceptable way. Please stop using arguments from the 1950s and get with the times. It is embarrassing to see that there is anyone who still uses that argument in 2013.

Now if you want to make arguments about people who have too many kids to support or people who made unwise financial decisions that were beyond their means, that would make more sense, but the "don't want to work" thing says more about you than about the reality of the people who utilize welfare and entitlements. It also ignores the fact that your tax dollars have gone to support people who make far, far more money than you ever will because of poor financial decisions they have made and the significant role the GOP has had in making that happen.
 
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To answer the question posed - "Gay Republicans - Why ?" - I guess that it makes me wonder why a despised minority that engages in strange behavior and expose children to their bizarre agenda would want to have anything to do with Gays. But if people want to be Republicans, our Constitution should be modern enough for them to be tolerated.
 
Well you actually supported my argument. I agree something is wing with the folks who have never worked in their lives, who live on benefits for ten years. Know how long I was out of work? Two months. I took low paying jobs and in my toils paid for the free loafer on his 90th week of unemployment. If people really did wasn't to work they would. I had to more yards for a wile I didn't need government assistance. Selling crack is as much work as stealing cars. So that argument is dumb. Most crack dealers take food stamps.

I know from experience, I work in section 8 apartments the people that receive government rent drive jaguars. I have converted every partner I have worked with to conservatives, because they have ten year old cars and struggle to pay rent. mean while their tax dollars that growing fica amount stolen at gun point every month goes to party the rent of that guy with the jag and Gucci suit, all his baby mamas and him. Don't care how you spin this, its a fact, I have observed it.


Obama gave my money away to robber barons too. GE doesn't have to pay taxes, they bought 7900 terrible cars from GM at 500,000 a piece. he spent my money on some make believe green energy company that went belly up and stole my money to be millonairs.

You act like it is only the republicans that do this, democrats
had thus game down, bush was really the only Republican since Taft that did this crap.

Don't get me wrong, the republicans are just as guilty. But you sitting they pretending that the dems are saints, they ate just as guilty. Its just republicans steal less from me and I am willing to bet they see the error in their ways with regard to homosexuality, wicket than the democrats see the error in being war mongers and liars.
 
Well I guess the other thing that comes to mind is in certain areas it's harder to be openly Republican than openly gay. In this case, it makes even less sense to identify with a group that not only shuns you but leads to even more grief. I know a couple who are somewhat vocal about it. They end up spending a lot of effort trying to explain how they reconcile these identities, only to be laughed at.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
By the same token, betraying your principles to vote Democrat is also a choice. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you're a liberal.
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Classic misunderstanding though, between conservatives who think that you should choose a party because of your beliefs, and liberals who think that you should choose a party because of your tribe.
 
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