jallman said:
I am not dogmatic and rigid, so I will say you have a good point. Those were probably bad examples. However, in an earlier post someone did make a very valid point. Concepts and definitions of marriage have changed over time. In fact, had you been less selective and more honest with your post of the definition of marriage, then you would have posted the rest of the definition that included same sex union. Bigotry is typically coutered with truth though, so I must thank Mr. Fungus for calling you out on your LIE of ommission.
I dont recall making any statement to the idea that animals take part in homosexuality. On this issue, I dont care what animals do. Hey, and here is a clue...I dont care what you do, so why do you concern yourself so much with what gays do? Perhaps if people like you spent less time focusing on what others do and start focusing on what you can do for your own family, the divorce rate in America wouldnt be over 50%.
Whats weird about the situation? It has nothing to do with you. Unless of course, you so passionately think about homosexuals and their lives that you arent living yours to the fullest. Then I would say you have some other issue that isnt about gays at all. And besides, did you even read my first post, where I said I dont agree with same sex marriage, but I do promote civil union. There should be nothing weird to you about that...it is not a church endorsed matrimony...it is a legal binding of a couple who pay the same taxes, serve the same country, and have the same rights guaranteed in the constitution just by nature of their citizenship and humanity. It doesnt concern you at all then...unless of course, like I said, you so deeply and passionately think about it constantly that it lessens the quality of your life...then you just need help.
Dont put words in my mouth. I dont oppose the war at all...I oppose ridiculous analogies that are not germane to the discussion.
Wow...such intense passion about a group of people you seem to have nothing to do with. Is it ignorance that causes this? Do you dwell on the idea of two men or two women having a relationship so much that you incite this kind of ire in yourself? Why do you dwell on it so much? Do you know any gay people at all? If we were to have civil union, do you think it is going to increase your contact with them? And about this God thing...I was of the impression we have a separation of Church and state. I was of the impression that your religious beliefs could not affect legislation...or am I wrong? If you want to make an argument about the legality or the prohibition of civil union, please try to make your arguments credible instead of based on emotion and prejudice...which by the way, I dont think is your fault. You are just not well informed.
LMAO!!! Have you been to dictionary.com? there is NO MENTION of same sex. The only other dictionaries I have access to are an un-abridged and published in 1900....what do you know, not in there either.
First, this country was settled because of, and founded on religious beliefs....Church & state have never been seperate in this country! People like to believe that that are seperate, and that's fine with me, because if they're busy believing that, it means that we can let Religious Beliefs affect legislation ALL the time! What are you smoking?
I do have 2 gay friends, in fact, they're partners. We debate about this all the time...the difference is that they understand why I believe it's wrong. Also, I have to care about the matter because it does affect me. As a Catholic, it's part of my Christian duty to find the people making immoral/bad/wrong decisions and help them, possibly showing them the way to salvation.
My salvation rests in how good a person I am, and what I do to help others. Gay Marriage...definately a step down the wrong path. It's just like the whole AIDS deal. The majority of Catholics don't have/won't ever get or have anything to do with aids, however, the Catholic Church funds at least 10% of all Aids care & research worldwide....We do it because we care, and we want to help.
You're seeing me being against gay marriage as a negative thing, but I see it only as positive, as My beliefs, my morals, my values, and my religion tell me it's wrong. To have something that I personally, and many many people collectively find wrong SANCTIONED by the government, federal, state, or local is wrong.
You're right, technically, it should be legal for them to marry....I'm just glad it's not, and hopefully it never will be. And actually, the only time I dwell on this subject is when somebody asks me about it. I'm not one of those people at rallies saying it's wrong, or anything like that. There is no need for that right now, as it's still illegal. More than likely it'll be put to vote again, and people in support of it will lose again. I only need concern myself with the people I come into contact with or care about at the moment.