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"You tried to tell me earlier I did not or it was wrong for me to vote against it"
Notice the word "or"
You are funny.
well according to you, in any debate you are supposed to convince me right? so convince away
it not about agreeing and disagreeing, told you a million times that part is fine, i ridicul you because you want to discriminate, not because you simply disagree, wrong again with your assumptions
sorry dude i have also been honest 100% and i havent lied one time LMAO
this is just another desperate tactic by you because you know in reality you wont be able to defend your answers and you and your religion are in fact NOT forced to do anything with what you mentioned
I rest my case. :roll:
vote against it based on you believing its your right to be discriminative and tell two consenting adults who they can marry
NOT just vote in general LMAO sorry but you miss understood again and still are lol
see thats where the comprehension comes in, im not going to repeat my stance every time, i told you and others what i was talking about if you choice to ignore that its on you LMAO
notice your lack of comprehension and ignoring what you have already been told
So you lied about me lying.
And yes I understood perfectly. Kind of hard to misinterpret "anti-American" because of the way you would vote.
I am going by exactly what you said. Sorry if you did not realize what you said.
Please feel free to point out my misinterpretation...
"Instead you are being selfish and think some how you are more important than others without your religious beliefs and want to FORCE yours on others. Nope not american" - Centrist77
"Dont care what you believe or think that is your right i agree you just have no buisness stopping it, thats the part i said isnt american but nice try" - Centrist77
"im not arguing against you right to just vote (legally) im asking if you would thnk its right not vote against it personally. You think you have the right to oppress others and THEIR religion based on your OWN religio" - Centrist77
Now if there is nothing else. :2wave:
JUST an FYI
not going to say who and its no more than a "guess" but im preety sure i know who hacked the poll since it was largely in favor (80%) of no lol
Polls can be voted on by Guests... non DP members. Therefore, results where members names are not mentioned can be skewed by non-members. Being the first sub-forum on the DP mainpage, Polls gets a lot of hits from visitors.
I think it's perfectly fine to stop gay marriage and I would personally vote to prevent homosexual marriages (my state has already legally defined by a vote that marriage is only between one man and one woman).
1. Because of my religious convictions I believe homosexuality is a sin
2. Homosexual marriages cannot create families
Mainly I am against it because of my religious beliefs as a Bible believing Christian. I am not homophobic and nor to I hate gay people. However, I will not support something that I believe is morally wrong, and as long as my vote has the power to prevent sin from being recognized as an equal union between a man and wife then I will exercise my right to defend my beliefs.
I know thanks but i wasnt talking about vistors im talking about how you can log in, then log out and vote again as a vistor and then keep repeating that process as many times as you like,
the poll was 80% for no for a couple days then boom it was even over night with only about two new posts lol
but thats ok I said earlier that ive done like 5-6 of these polls and they always range from 79-93% Ill just have to through this one out and not us it for research
thats fine thats your right, youd be in the minority but that doesnt make you wrong.
like i said in the OP I just havent heard any good reasons in america to stop it, its discrimination plain and simple but thank you for your input
That's hilarious.2. Homosexual marriages cannot create families
So are you against it personally or because a religion tells you to be against it?Mainly I am against it because of my religious beliefs as a Bible believing Christian. I am not homophobic and nor to I hate gay people.
See that's fair, that makes sense. Thanks.However, I will not support something that I believe is morally wrong, and as long as my vote has the power to prevent sin from being recognized as an equal union between a man and wife then I will exercise my right to defend my beliefs.
Mainly I am against it because of my religious beliefs as a Bible believing Christian. I am not homophobic and nor to I hate gay people.
Last time I checked two sperms can't fertilize.That's hilarious.
I am against it personally because my religion is part of who I am and what I believe. Personally I am a Christian and I believe it's wrong because God is infinitely wiser than me, and He says it's wrong. My beliefs are not separate from my religion because my religion is part of who I am.So are you against it personally or because a religion tells you to be against it?
you're welcomeSee that's fair, that makes sense. Thanks.
If God in His wisdom told me to hate gays then I would. But God says the opposite. So theoretically your question is pointless.I'm curious - if your religion clearly told you to hate gay people, would you?
I'm curious - if your religion clearly told you to hate gay people, would you?
Others have already polled Americans on the issue. [url[http://www.gallup.com/poll/118378/majority-americans-continue-oppose-gay-marriage.aspx[/url]
57% oppose gay marriage and 40% support it according to a gallup poll. Plus if you look at state elections you will see that the majority within states that had the issue voted on didn't support gay marriage either. I wouldn't really take candid internet polls as research.
Actually I am part of the majority that oppose homosexual marriages. I also believe my reasons for opposing it are valid and logical. Wouldn't it be discrimination against those that don't support it to force them to extend marital rights to a union that they hold as being sinful?
polls only work if you ask the right questions
many in my poll that vote no its not right to stop ir are in fact against it, but they understand as americans that its none of their business. If I asked simply are you for or against it of course id get different results
my question is if people think its their business and they have the right to stop two consenting adults who they can marry.
When asked that way a large majority understand no matter what they believe they shouldnt stop it because its discrimination
another example is the health care poll. when people were asked if they were happy with their health care a large majority said YES
problem is that doesnt mean much and it requires you to sk people with health care. If someone asked me that question my answer def would have been yes because of the alternative options, no health care
but if you ask me, do you think health care needs reformed, again my answer would be yes
polls are tricky, they only measure very specific things, just like stats are only fats of what they measure anything else is pure speculation
ill take polls worried properly as they fit my research. Is it right to vote agaist it and how people justify discrimination.
actually you are not because thats not what i asked thats what you are saying I didnt as who is against it
no its not discrimination against those who are against it because NOTHING changes for them lol
sinful has no barring
are you forced to support premarital sex, masturbation, or anything else your religion might oppose? no your not
your still free to think, believe, teach and preach what you want
nothing changes that its called freedom of religion and that wont go away
but this poll isn't asking if it's ok to prevent marriage between two consenting adults, it's specifically asking about gay marriage. Polls can be worded deceptively as well. When people think "two consenting adults" I'm sure the first thing that doesn't pop into their mind is homosexual marriages or incest marriages. Most people would support a consenting man and woman from wedding and that no one has the right to stop them (assuming it isn't incest). The poll from gallup specifically addresses homosexual marriage, and the data reflects the populace's view on homosexual marriage, not about two consenting adults.
Last time I checked we have adoption.Last time I checked two sperms can't fertilize.
Then why didn't you say that in the first place?I am against it personally because my religion is part of who I am and what I believe. Personally I am a Christian and I believe it's wrong because God is infinitely wiser than me, and He says it's wrong. My beliefs are not separate from my religion because my religion is part of who I am.
2. Homosexual marriages cannot create families.
if you read the OP it most certainly is what it is asking lol
unless you chose not to read the op and just blindly vote
Yes, and adopted children deserve to be in a stable home with a mother and father, not with two dads or moms.Last time I checked we have adoption.
Then why didn't you say that in the first place?
In that previous posts it seemed like you saying that you are against it because your religion says so, not because you personally believe it. But I guess you corrected that right?
Sure they can.
Meanwhile, some hetero marriages can't create families, yet you seem completely unconcerned with them.
Actually, a lot changes for those that don't support it. It would mean that their government acknowledges and gives rights to something that they hold as sinful and immoral. Citizens would have to acknowledge gay people as married and be forced to treat them as such.
And I am not forced to support those other sexual sins you listed, and I do not support them which is why I believe they are wrong. However, if the state formerly declared that premarital sex and masturbation is not sinful it would.
What changes is the definition of marriage and family. All citizens would be forced to accept a union that is sinful and immoral in the eyes of the majority. You may be free to your religion, but freedom of voicing your religious opinion would be taken away if the state simply said gay marriage is OK and that everyone should deal with it.
ast time I checked two sperms can't fertilize.
I am against it personally because my religion is part of who I am and what I believe. Personally I am a Christian and I believe it's wrong because God is infinitely wiser than me, and He says it's wrong. My beliefs are not separate from my religion because my religion is part of who I am.
If God in His wisdom told me to hate gays then I would. But God says the opposite. So theoretically your question is pointless.
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Yes, and adopted children deserve to be in a stable home with a mother and father, not with two dads or moms.
The hetero marriages that can't create families aren't because it's naturally impossible, but because there is fertility issues with the man or woman.
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