Gay Leaders In The Boy Scouts (1 Viewer)

[aquapub]

This poll is really more about who here has kids. I have never met a person who had a little boy and didn't have SOME hesitation about putting him alone with a gay man in the woods.

 

[Thinker]

This poll is really more about who here has kids. I have never met a person who had a little boy and didn't have SOME hesitation about putting him alone with a gay man in the woods.

We haven't met, but I am a father who was perfectly happy to let his (then)
small boy be alone ("in the woods" and other places) with a gay music teacher,
gay sports coach, gay doctor, gay family friend, and countless others. I had NO
hesitation, as I was well aware that there is no connection between being gay
and being a child molestor. My son is now grown, happy, unmolested and has
numerous friends of his own age, both straight and gay. He is also straight, as
far as I can tell or care.

 

[erasamus snoggle]

Many are inclined to believe that sexual preference is something an individual is born with rather than a choice. While certainly some who embrace the gay life are also child molesters, not all are. It would seemt that more heterosexuals are known predators than are homosexuals.

 

[::Major_Baker::]

what a silly poll Aqua.
You are trying to create a link between homosexuality and pedophelia.

I suppose you think AIDS is transmitted if a gay guy touched your arm?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

This poll is really more about who here has kids. I have never met a person who had a little boy and didn't have SOME hesitation about putting him alone with a gay man in the woods.

Some of the reason people have beef with the Boy Scouts is that they discriminate based on religion and sexuality. Since my child wont be Christian, he may not join.

They claim its because they consider Christianity to be essential to building the foundations of a moral person.

Cant discriminate for religious reasons when you're publicly funded. Theres an interesting Penn and Teller's Bulls Hit on this issue. Penn was once a boy scout and he says today its nothing like how it was and should have become.

 

[LeftyHenry]

what a silly poll Aqua.
You are trying to create a link between homosexuality and pedophelia.

I suppose you think AIDS is transmitted if a gay guy touched your arm?

LOL I :rofl when I read that.

 

[hipsterdufus]

This poll is really more about who here has kids. I have never met a person who had a little boy and didn't have SOME hesitation about putting him alone with a gay man in the woods.

Most pedophiles are not gay. That's a fact that has been proven time and time again in study after study.

Before you go on read it again. Most pedophiles are not gay. Got it?

NCLB gave the Boy Scouts free reign to discriminate with our tax dollars and to use our schools to do so virtually tax free. I have a major problem with that.

 

[Deegan]

I don't think it should be discussed at all, sexual preference is not at all important to these young scouts, nor should it be an issue. I think a policy much like the military has, should be the way this is handled, it's just not relevant IMO.

 

[Gibberish]

Chances are more likely a married, church going man is more likely to be a pedophile then a homosexual man. So I would be less hesitant to allow my son (if i had one) to go into the woods with a homosexual man then a heterosexual man.

 

[Gibberish]

I don't think it should be discussed at all, sexual preference is not at all important to these young scouts, nor should it be an issue. I think a policy much like the military has, should be the way this is handled, it's just not relevant IMO.

Those individuals who think homosexuality is a contagious disease tend to think differently.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Those individuals who think homosexuality is a contagious disease tend to think differently.

Replace the word think with "Assume what we want to believe is the truth"

 

[cherokee]

Hmm. Excuse me but I have a question.

Why is this an issue?
With all the damn problems we face in the USA today just why in the Sam hell do people focus on gays, fags, dikes or whatever the **** you wish to call them?
Pardon the fact they are citizens of the
United States of America!
And have the right to be gay or whatever as long as they don’t break the laws.
God forbid you take action on poverty, health care or our addiction of oil.

Its so damn stupid these people care more about your morals and not their own...:roll:

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Why is this an issue?

Because in the game of us-vs-them politics, abortion and homosexuality are the two ace issues for those who would like to legislate behaviour.

Its so damn stupid these people care more about your morals and not their own...

You're right though, it is stupid, but some people enjoy the idea of making their morality the LAW.

 

[Jerry]

I say let the Boy Scouts do what they want regarding discrimination based on sexual orientation, and if the gov. doesn't like it they can pull funding. When my sons are old enough I will enroll them in the Boy Scouts, and I will be more than happy to pay a greater dues and donate more time and resources to teach the troop traditional morals.

 

[Jerry]

Hmm. Excuse me but I have a question.

Why is this an issue?
With all the damn problems we face in the USA today just why in the Sam hell do people focus on gays, fags, dikes or whatever the **** you wish to call them?
Pardon the fact they are citizens of the
United States of America!
And have the right to be gay or whatever as long as they don’t break the laws.
God forbid you take action on poverty, health care or our addiction of oil.

Its so damn stupid these people care more about your morals and not their own...:roll:

1st. Because I'm bored and this public forum is discussing a hot-topic, not legislating law;

2nd. As a privet org. the Boy Scouts have the right to discriminate or whatever because they are not braking any laws;

3rd, As the Boy Scouts are determining who they do and do not wish to be their scout leaders, they are worrying about "their own". "Others" are only involved if they involve themselves.

What happened to all that moral relativity? You know, like "If you don't like the Boy Scouts, don't join", or similar.

 

[Jerry]

You're right though, it is stupid, but some people enjoy the idea of making their morality the LAW.

Yeah, I wish that people would forget about creating a right for 2 people of the same gender to marry also, but as you said, they want to legislate their morality.

 

[jallman]

Aquapub's jab about gay men and little boys in woods aside, the boyscouts can discriminate in any way they see fit. I dont like it and therefore will not allow my son to join the boyscouts. Further I will offer no support to the boyscouts for the very same reason. Thats how I get to discriminate against them. I think it is deplorable that an organization such as the boyscouts would promote archaic and dark age ideas by discriminating in such a way, but whatever...they are a private organization and can do as they wish...so long as they recieve no public funding.

As for the unfortunate assertions concerning gay men and little boys alone in the woods, aquapub...since you are research guru, or at least claim to be (a claim I find laughable considering some of your "studies" about the liberal media myth), why dont you look up pedophilia demographics and then get back to us? If you are going to make assertions such as that, then you should be able to back them up with some real data...otherwise, pack up and go back to redneckville.

 

[26 X World Champs]

This poll is really more about who here has kids. I have never met a person who had a little boy and didn't have SOME hesitation about putting him alone with a gay man in the woods.

I am always surprised to read such absolute prejudice from some of the posters in this community! I have two children and I would have no problem with them being supervised by adults regardless if they were Gay or not.

How ignorant is it to believe that if you're Gay you're also a pedophile? How ridiculous is it to suggest that a Gay man is more likely to attack a Boy Scout than a Straight Man would a Girl Scout?

Sadly this stilted and absurd opinion is believed by millions of Americans...and it is a sad example of how poorly educated and poorly reared (pun intended :2wave: ) Americans are if they are afraid that their children will be sexually abused in the manner inferred by the author of this thread!

 

[bandaidwoman]

Interesting that the girl scouts don't have such a hang up about gay leaders...in this case lesbians. I believe men can also be girl scout leaders from what I remember. When my daughter becomes old enough to join the girl scouts my husband hopes to be involved as a leader since I will be too busy to a girl scout leader. (Is it because we women are more open minded?)

 

[::Major_Baker::]

Originally Posted by aquapub
This poll is really more about who here has kids.

Yeah, sure it is. It's about homophobic people that have kids.
Your miseducation is becoming blatantly obvious--how embarrassing for you.:3oops:

 

[Deegan]

I am always surprised to read such absolute prejudice from some of the posters in this community! I have two children and I would have no problem with them being supervised by adults regardless if they were Gay or not.

How ignorant is it to believe that if you're Gay you're also a pedophile? How ridiculous is it to suggest that a Gay man is more likely to attack a Boy Scout than a Straight Man would a Girl Scout?

Sadly this stilted and absurd opinion is believed by millions of Americans...and it is a sad example of how poorly educated and poorly reared (pun intended :2wave: ) Americans are if they are afraid that their children will be sexually abused in the manner inferred by the author of this thread!

I agree to a point, but I think the gay community may have a little to do with their image here. I mean let's not kidd ourselves, gay men have a reputation that they must answer for, not for molesting children, but for multiple partners, unsafe sex, and inappropriate public displays of sexuality. So to just label those who may concerned as "poorly educated and poorly reared" is not at all fair, nor is it helpful. We must learn to know each other better, and each of us could do more to repair our images, and these derogatory statements don't advance that at all.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I agree to a point, but I think the gay community may have a little to do with their image here. I mean let's not kidd ourselves, gay men have a reputation that they must answer for, not for molesting children, but for multiple partners, unsafe sex, and inappropriate public displays of sexuality. So to just label those who may concerned as "poorly educated and poorly reared" is not at all fair, nor is it helpful. We must learn to know each other better, and each of us could do more to repair our images, and these derogatory statements don't advance that at all.

Perhaps I should have chosen different words? However to ask people if they would be afraid to leave their child in an organized setting (the woods for example) with a Gay person is a question that was planted to anger people. It was not suggested seriously, it was a stunt to get a flame war started, IMHO.

Problem is that only the most extreme amongst us would even consider siding with the poll takers polarizing position.

This is basically a useless discussion because its entire premise is flawed.

 

[Gibberish]

...for multiple partners, unsafe sex, and inappropriate public displays of sexuality...

Multiple partners and unsafe sex can be found anywhere and everywhere. Personally my heterosexual friends have double the number of sexual partners then my homosexual friends have.

Inappropriate public displays of sexuality is debatable. Many label homosexuals being obviously homosexual (hugging and kissing the same sex) in public as inappropriate. Though it is ok for heterosexuals to perform the same acts?

I do agree the stereotype is there, but it was not created by the gay community, It was created by the homophobic community.

 

[Deegan]

Multiple partners and unsafe sex can be found anywhere and everywhere. Personally my heterosexual friends have double the number of sexual partners then my homosexual friends have.

Inappropriate public displays of sexuality is debatable. Many label homosexuals being obviously homosexual (hugging and kissing the same sex) in public as inappropriate. Though it is ok for heterosexuals to perform the same acts?

I do agree the stereotype is there, but it was not created by the gay community, It was created by the homophobic community.

As great as it sounds, and as much as I would like to say that I have landed multiple partners in one night, much less one week, this is well known to occur in the gay community. I don't want to get in to a gay bashing session here, but let's try to be honest, there is a bad reputation for a reason. Until gay men begin to acknowledge this, and speak out against it, this issue will remain as it is. I would like to acknowledge some of the gay men I know here for doing this very thing, and I wish more would be as honest, we may very well finally get past some of this blind hatred.

 

[Jerry]

I'm inclined to agree with Deegan, though some solid statistics would settle the issue of promiscuity.

If I have to choose between the Boy Scouts or the view which dictates that anyone who disagrees with me must have some sort of phobia, I choose the Scouts, as by comparison they are far more reasonable.