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Has anyone considered that these two might just be retarded?
Just kidding, relaaaaaxx..
It takes one to know one.
Just kidding.
Has anyone considered that these two might just be retarded?
Just kidding, relaaaaaxx..
It takes one to know one.
Are you implying Hicup's a penguin?
Pebbles? Couldn't they at least adopt an egg to raise?
Pebbles? Couldn't they at least adopt an egg to raise?
Pointing to examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom is no argument for the moral status of homosexuality. It is only useful in combating the charge of homosexuality being "unnatural."
but it does go to the argument of whether homosexuality is a choice or is innate.
Pointing to examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom is no argument for the moral status of homosexuality.
It is only useful in combating the charge of homosexuality being "unnatural."
I think anti-gay people might argue that the "choice" of homosexuality applies only to humans. Animals might be innately compelled toward it, but humans have free will and so choose to be homosexual.
The homosexuality is a choice argument has always confused me. Why would anyone in their right mind choose to be gay? Moreover, can these people, through sheer force of will, make themselves become attracted to other people of the same sex? Now that's a talent!
Yes, they make that and several other bogus arguments. See above.
Good point. How difficult must it be to go through puberty as a homosexual? It's hard enough for people that society sees as "normal."
a misrepresentation of the anti-homo arguement. I have never heard anyone claim that homosexuality is a conscious choice. I do, however, see many claiming that homosexuality can be caused by environmental factors.
there is a difference and it is disingenuous to equate the two.
If it is caused by environmental factors, and there is quite a lot of evidence that it is at least in part, does that make it a choice?
if you could determine which environmental factors cause/promote it and then eliminate/alter them...theoretically you could stop it. (much like you can determine the sex of baby aligators by raising/lowering the temperature at which the eggs are incubated) so in some ways it could be considered a choice, not by the individual, but by those who controlled his/her environment.
although, since homosexuality seems to be a rather benign deviation from the norm, I really don't see that is such a big deal.
In our current enviroment, it's not a big deal - if, however, there were ~10-20 humans (about half male and half female) somehow completely isolated from other humans, say on a random planet that could support humans 5000LY from here, then perhaps it would be a bigger issue, until multiple generations increased the population...Yes, if the factors that determine homosexuality could be determined and controlled, then it might become a choice made by someone else, but not by the individual.
And no, it shouldn't be such a big deal, and wouldn't be if no one considered it a sin.
In our current enviroment, it's not a big deal - if, however, there were ~10-20 humans (about half male and half female) somehow completely isolated from other humans, say on a random planet that could support humans 5000LY from here, then perhaps it would be a bigger issue, until multiple generations increased the population...
Then again, in that situation, only an unreasonable homosexual man/woman would try to refuse contributing their genetic material to the needs of survival...I think.
I actually have a few questions about that...Which is why the buzzards that started this thread need to reproduce - There aren't a lot of them left, at least not that particular species.
I actually have a few questions about that...
It sounds like, judging from the OP article, these two "Gay" vultures were the only two vultures in that enclosure…
One wonders if the same situation would have occurred had there been two or more female vultures in the same enclosure with them.
But who knows?
I suppose if someone can find a report at some later point in time from now on these vultures adaptations (or lack thereof) to their new situations…
"Whoa, is that a hint of Eau De Carcass I smell?" "That really gets me hot"...It would be interesting to see whether a female vulture can entice one of the gay males to mate.
"Hey, big boy! What is that aftershave? Oh, smells like essence of dead rabbit. I just love dead rabbit, aged in the sun to perfection."
These animals were room mates, not sexual lovers. Does living with a room mate of the same sex make someone gay?
What about ruffly feathers? :mrgreen:Only if neither of them are wearing clothes.
What about ruffly feathers? :mrgreen:
These animals were room mates, not sexual lovers. Does living with a room mate of the same sex make someone gay?