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I keep hoping for the best and that they're intentionally being obtuse, maybe out of pride or desperation or something, but I am seriously starting to wonder. Maybe it's natural.No one said it was new.
But a shockingly (and depressingly) large group of Americans are seemingly unaware of his lies and denials. They've closed themselves off from alternative narratives.
And he's very good at it. But it makes it easier for him to get away with this stuff because his supporters will excuse and defend any thing he does, and any lie he tells.
I am convinced he can literally shot someone on 5th ave. AND his cult like followers will still defend and excuse him. We see this type of behavior from his supporters daily.
It's dangerous as hell though. Let an egomaniac like Trump feel there will be no consequences to his actions? That's dangerous as hell!!
I think many of us wanted to believe that people are better than that... and this last election campaign, and Trump most notably... made it impossible to ignore that so many people really are that gullible.
Trump: Says 'x'.
Trump: I never said that.
Someone else: Yes, you did, it's on video.
Trump: I never said that.
Trump Sucker: He never said that.
Yet it's on video.
Oh, that makes the head hurt. :doh
No one said it was new.
But a shockingly (and depressingly) large group of Americans are seemingly unaware of his lies and denials. They've closed themselves off from alternative narratives.
Correct. Trump made it impossible for us to ignore anymore.The number is fairly close to or at 100% of people.
It's not shocking that most people believe stuff that either has, no basis in fact, can't be proven and this is not new.
Never has been and will unlikely be for the foreseeable future
If Trump never existed, that would not change.
The human brain did not evolve to accurately gauge truth from not truth.
I keep hoping for the best and that they're intentionally being obtuse, maybe out of pride or desperation or something, but I am seriously starting to wonder. Maybe it's natural.
The number is fairly close to or at 100% of people.
It's not shocking that most people believe stuff that either has, no basis in fact, can't be proven and this is not new.
Never has been and will unlikely be for the foreseeable future
If Trump never existed, that would not change.
The human brain did not evolve to accurately gauge truth from not truth.
Correct. Trump made it impossible for us to ignore anymore.
I'm well aware that we're not always right, that's not the issue.
The issue is the brazen denial of the plain truth in defiant opposition to the overwhelming unanimity of actual evidence.
Yeah, it sounds familiar. It sounds like THE NEWS MEDIA.
But since you seem to think it applies to Donald Trump, how about less flapping fingers and a some examples?
They're doing the same thing they criticized Obama apologists for doing, wearing blinders and all, but on steroids.It's really shocking for me. When President Obama lies, i get mad at President Obama. When Trump lies, they get mad at us for telling them.
I honestly don't understand how their brain operates. I don't think they all intend to be dishonest, so wtf is it?
Techniques of Emotional Abuse
The Overbearing Opinion–Another person refuses to consider your opinion and forces you to always accept his or here.
The Person Who is Always Right–Whenever there is a disagreement of any sort, this person always has to be right and have the last say.
The Put-Down Artist–The person who uses comments like “You’re crazy! How could anyone think such a stupid thing?” to devalue your decisions and feelings.
Techniques of the Verbal Abuser
Countering—-“By countering his partner, the verbal abuser is saying, I can think for both of us. What you think is wrong. What I think is right. If I can get you to doubt yourself, I can control you more easily. “
Discounting—-“By discounting his partner’s perceptions, the verbal abuser is saying, I can decree the worthlessness of your perceptions and actions. I am not accountable. I can stay in control.”
Blocking and diverting—-“By thwarting his partner, the verbal abuser is saying, I do not accept any responsibility to respond to you as a rational person, so I can change the conservation at will -I am in control.”
Accusing and blaming—-“By blaming his partner for his abuse of her, the verbal abuser is saying, You are to blame for your pain and for everything I say or do to you and for everything that isn’t the way I want it to be , so I do not have to stop my behavior. I’m in control.”
Judging and criticizing—-“By judging and criticizing his partner, the verbal abuser is saying, When I tell you what is wrong with your thoughts and actions, I put myself in charge of you and therefore in control of you.”
Trivializing—-“By pretending that his partner, or her actions or perceptions or opinions or thoughts or concerns, are less than they are, the verbal abuser is saying, When you see how insignificant you are, I will have more power over you.”
Undermining—-“By undermining his partner, the verbal abuser is saying, When I erode your confidence and lessen your determination, you are easier to control.”
Threatening—-“With this very obvious means of control, the verbal abuser is saying, I have Power Over you. I am in control. Do as I say. If you don’t, I’ll . . ., or if you don’t, you might get hurt – implying physical harm by a fit of rage or by an unspoken threat like punching the wall.”
Name calling—-“By calling names, the abuser is saying, You do not exist. You are annihilated, you are now BLANK. Now that you are wiped out, I’m in control, just like in a war.”
Forgetting—-“When the abuser regularly forgets appointments, agreements and/or incidents, he is saying, I’m in control of your time, energy, or reality and I don’t have to be accountable because I’m in control.”
Ordering and demanding—-“With these direct displays of control, the verbal abuser is saying, I have a right to assert Power Over you in an overt act of control. If all the other intimidating behaviors achieved my goal, you will do as I demand.”
Denial—-“By denying all of his abusive behavior, the abuser is saying, I can keep everything exactly as it is, with you under my control, and I will not be held accountable.”
Verbal bullying is saying or writing mean things. Verbal bullying includes:
Teasing
Name-calling
Inappropriate sexual comments
Taunting
Social bullying, sometimes referred to as relational bullying, involves hurting someone’s reputation or relationships. Social bullying includes:
Leaving someone out on purpose
Telling other children not to be friends with someone
Spreading rumors about someone
Embarrassing someone in public
Making mean or rude hand gestures
Again this is most/majority/all people.
I don't know you well enough to say what, but I know that both you and I probably believe stuff that is factually bull crap.
We will both likely dismiss it out of hand and not accept it.
What that is I'm not sure.
In my opinion, we're not that far advanced as we like to believe and are little better than our forebears 1000-2000 years ago.
Yes, please.
Yes, please.
He sounds like a natural to be in the CIA. Those character traits fit the functional CIA profile exactly. That is why the CIA fears him. "Takes one to know one."
Time will certainly tell. He is in the most exposed position of any human being on earth. If he has a pimple on his ass, we will all soon read about it.
Right now, many Americans listening to their president are experiencing what I experienced frequently a child.
Nothing means anything, and reality is being canceled. There is confusion, there is chaos, everything is upside down and inside out.
When facts and truth are being discredited, how is it possible to know what to believe, especially when it comes from someone we expect to embody both ethics and etiquette?
11. They tell you everyone else is a liar.
By telling you that everyone else (your family, the media) is a liar, it again makes you question your reality. You've never known someone with the audacity to do this, so they must be telling the truth, right? No. It's a manipulation technique. It makes people turn to the gaslighter for the "correct" information—which isn't correct information at all.
The more you are aware of these techniques, the quicker you can identify them and avoid falling into the gaslighter's trap.
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