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"Gaslighting"

No one said it was new.

But a shockingly (and depressingly) large group of Americans are seemingly unaware of his lies and denials. They've closed themselves off from alternative narratives.
I keep hoping for the best and that they're intentionally being obtuse, maybe out of pride or desperation or something, but I am seriously starting to wonder. Maybe it's natural.
 

Relevant to the thread, he could shoot someone on 5th Ave on live television, then he and his followers would deny it happened.
 

No one said it was new.

But a shockingly (and depressingly) large group of Americans are seemingly unaware of his lies and denials. They've closed themselves off from alternative narratives.

The number is fairly close to or at 100% of people.
It's not shocking that most people believe stuff that either has, no basis in fact, can't be proven and this is not new.
Never has been and will unlikely be for the foreseeable future

If Trump never existed, that would not change.
The human brain did not evolve to accurately gauge truth from not truth.
 
Correct. Trump made it impossible for us to ignore anymore.
 
I keep hoping for the best and that they're intentionally being obtuse, maybe out of pride or desperation or something, but I am seriously starting to wonder. Maybe it's natural.

It's really shocking for me. When President Obama lies, i get mad at President Obama. When Trump lies, they get mad at us for telling them.

I honestly don't understand how their brain operates. I don't think they all intend to be dishonest, so wtf is it?
 

I'm well aware that we're not always right, that's not the issue.

The issue is the brazen denial of the plain truth in defiant opposition to the overwhelming unanimity of actual evidence.
 
I'm well aware that we're not always right, that's not the issue.

The issue is the brazen denial of the plain truth in defiant opposition to the overwhelming unanimity of actual evidence.

Again this is most/majority/all people.
I don't know you well enough to say what, but I know that both you and I probably believe stuff that is factually bull crap.
We will both likely dismiss it out of hand and not accept it.

What that is I'm not sure.
In my opinion, we're not that far advanced as we like to believe and are little better than our forebears 1000-2000 years ago.
 
Yeah, it sounds familiar. It sounds like THE NEWS MEDIA.

But since you seem to think it applies to Donald Trump, how about less flapping fingers and a some examples?

Example number 1) He gives Kennedy the impression about heading up a commission on the safety of vaccines, and when Kennedy says something, claims he is 'only exploring the option'.

THe diversionary tactic of the statement “I’ve never said I’m a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I’m not,” and the “I’m not proud of my locker room talk. But this world has serious problems.” (as if sexual assault is not serious)

Accusing someone of 'playing the woman card' or 'playing the race card' is also gaslighting.. and Trump did the accusation of 'playing the woman card' on a vast number of occasions.
 
They're doing the same thing they criticized Obama apologists for doing, wearing blinders and all, but on steroids.
 

Trump may have studied Putin for years to get ideas on how he would do this. I link to a documentary explaining all this here http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/275600-hypernormalisation-peek-into-strange-new-world-featuring-donald-trump.html

This is absolutely what he is doing, though it is nothing new. The right has been experimenting with abuser techniques for decades. "Blame the victim" is the technique we've most been familiar with recently.

Verbal and Emotional Abuse


And then of course classic bullying. https://www.stopbullying.gov/what-is-bullying/definition/


I still have to laugh and shake my head when I stop for a reality check and realize that I just copy / pasted a list of bullying and abuser techniques to describe our new president... what has this come to
 

Yeah i agree with this a lot actually. Our brains are far more primitive than we'd like to admit. So much of our underlying reasoning is actually based on instinct and emotion rather than logic and reason.
 
Yes, please.

You were responding to someone else, but since we previously had an exchange on the subject of Trump's lies, I'll jump in. This was before one of the debates.




Pretty much every single news outlet catalogs Trump's lies on a weekly basis; for example, a list with links to original sources: Donald Trump’s most likely debate lies.

Includes Trump's lies - with links to other sources - about:
- support for the Iraq war;
- reasons for not releasing tax returns;
- amounts given to charity and timing of gifts;
- that his assets would be in a 'blind trust' if elected;
- everything about "Trump University"
- all the lies surrounding his disgusting birtherism
- claim that Hillary advocates abolishing the 2nd Amd.
- Claim he never proposed a total ban on muslims entering the country
- claim he never suggested women who have an abortion should be punished
- claim he never said he's open to nuking ISIS
- claim he never said he'd pay the legal fees of a supporter who beats up a protester
- claim there could be 30 million illegals in the country
- claim that debates overlapping with games means the debates are rigged
- claim that the entire election is rigged against him
- claim that US is one of most taxed nations
- earlier claim that it is The most taxed nation
- claim that unemployment rate for black youth is 59%
- claim that unemployment rate is "as high as 42%"
- claim that inner-city crime is reaching record levels'
- claim that stop and frisk was a big success in NYC
- claim that black people love him
- claim that things have never been worse for blacks in America

Donald Trump’s most likely debate lies.





Please don't tell me the response will be "but that's the media so I won't read it" because I've seen that lame dodge used too many times by other Trump supporters, after they asked for links in the first place.
 
He sounds like a natural to be in the CIA. Those character traits fit the functional CIA profile exactly. That is why the CIA fears him. "Takes one to know one."

Just because you make crap up doesn't mean it's true. You know that right.
 
Trump is gaslighting America ? here's how to survive - Business Insider



https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/here-there-and-everywhere/201701/gaslighting-know-it-and-identify-it-protect-yourself



Trump: Epic Poster-boy For Gaslighter Of The Century
 
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