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Gas Prices Are Not Too High

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Rising energy prices hit consumers; want to shift from fossil fuels: Survey

''A majority of consumers worldwide expect their overall spending power to be significantly impacted by further energy price increases, yet only 13 per cent of those surveyed globally blamed climate policies for rising prices, while 84 per cent of respondents stressed the importance of their own country's shift to sustainable energy sources,'' the WEF said.

We will know that gas prices are too high when we see most drivers adopting fuel-saving driving habits.

Until then, gas prices are not too high.
 

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We will know that gas prices are too high when we see most drivers adopting fuel-saving driving habits.

Most drivers do that now. Even if gas were $1 per gallon most drivers would still adopt fuel saving driving habits.
 

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Everybody is in a big hurry to get to the next red light.

They can't wait to wait!

And to think they could just ease off on the gas pedal, look ahead, time the lights and never even stop.

Saves gas, saves money, saves the environment, saves brakes and it saves your tires.

People got plenty of money to spend on all those things, so apparently gas prices are not too high.

All the tools are available to get more miles out of each gallon of gas, but people are in too much of a hurry to even consider changing their driving habits.

All these fuel-wasting would-be race car drivers don't seem to be phased one little bit by having to pay more at the pump.
 

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Gas prices suck. They suck just like they always do when some oil rich dictator starts ****ing up his region. Then the casino gamblers go crazy and we all pay for it. You already know what I think we should do about it, so there's no point in posting it again.
 

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I think they should rule that the gas price has a disparate impact on lower income folks, and deem it unconstitutional.
It should be regulated like electricity. It has too big an impact on lives and the economy to be leaping around like this.

(I've already cut my driving in half --some of us really don't have a choice, but as a retiree I can decide when to go out and how far to drive. Take that, Big Oil LOL)
 

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I think they should rule that the gas price has a disparate impact on lower income folks, and deem it unconstitutional.
What part of the Constitution would be violated?

High prices do impact the poor more. So why do we see low-value older cars being driven like gas is free?

If they do not know how to save; if they never considered the total amount spent on fuel per year, nor calculated the possible savings by adjusting driving habits, then it is a matter of communicating the correct information to them. If they make poor decisions after they are made aware of the mistake, should we help them? Should the government buy a bunch of electric autos, rent them at affordable prices to the poor, and provide free electricity and charging stations they can use? Should the super-rich pay higher taxes to cover the expense? It would make the poor more productive, more able to work at the menial jobs used to oppress them...

I am in favor of taxing the super-rich more, but raising taxes on the rich is a non-starter in Congress. Manchin would kill it.
 

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Everybody is in a big hurry to get to the next red light.

They can't wait to wait!

And to think they could just ease off on the gas pedal, look ahead, time the lights and never even stop.

Saves gas, saves money, saves the environment, saves brakes and it saves your tires.

People got plenty of money to spend on all those things, so apparently gas prices are not too high.

All the tools are available to get more miles out of each gallon of gas, but people are in too much of a hurry to even consider changing their driving habits.

All these fuel-wasting would-be race car drivers don't seem to be phased one little bit by having to pay more at the pump.
Ahhh....I surely don't miss those days. Not a traffic light in a hundred miles here, and that's not an exaggeration..
 

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Exactly why people jack up their trucks and put on off road tires, to improve fuel economy

The claim involved "driving habits" for "most drivers". Regardless of the price of gas, people will generally try to reduce the amount of fuel they burn.
 

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Everybody is in a big hurry to get to the next red light.

They can't wait to wait!

And to think they could just ease off on the gas pedal, look ahead, time the lights and never even stop.

Saves gas, saves money, saves the environment, saves brakes and it saves your tires.

People got plenty of money to spend on all those things, so apparently gas prices are not too high.

All the tools are available to get more miles out of each gallon of gas, but people are in too much of a hurry to even consider changing their driving habits.

All these fuel-wasting would-be race car drivers don't seem to be phased one little bit by having to pay more at the pump.
Senior' Peace... - always wanted to use that line!

I remember what my driving instructor told me when I did 'jack-rabbit' starts and was constantly on the brakes:
"When you step on the brakes, it has the same effect as standing on the gas pedal - it takes gasoline to gather speed, and using the brakes is turning that fuel into heat." "Drive like there is a raw egg between your foot and the gas pedal." Done both most of my life, and it works.

In a hurry, leave 2 minutes earlier. Park instead of sitting in a drive-through lane. Put your kids on the school bus. Own something that weighs less than 2 tons.
 

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Everybody is in a big hurry to get to the next red light.

They can't wait to wait!

And to think they could just ease off on the gas pedal, look ahead, time the lights and never even stop.

Saves gas, saves money, saves the environment, saves brakes and it saves your tires.

People got plenty of money to spend on all those things, so apparently gas prices are not too high.

All the tools are available to get more miles out of each gallon of gas, but people are in too much of a hurry to even consider changing their driving habits.

All these fuel-wasting would-be race car drivers don't seem to be phased one little bit by having to pay more at the pump.
The day I filled my tank at $4.2499, I drove home at 50 mph. I've gotten over it now, though. The only people who drive 50 mph around here are the stoners.
 

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When the US government does everything they can to raise the price of gas...just to make alternative energy more attractive...that government is ****ing over their own citizens.

Get rid of that government. Now.
No government = anarchy. Not a realistic solution. It has become stupidly popular to hate on our government, our social institutions that make America America. Government and institutions are totally under-appreciated. People only see the bad, overlook the good.

We have to have a government. It is not possible to have a government that everyone appreciates. Just because some disgruntled citizens are taken in by populist government hatred propaganda it can always be assured that there will be citizens who hate their own government. (That would be the same self-government of the people that we created ourselves and have the power to change.)

That doesn't mean our government deserves such hatred. It means that a lot of money can be made by talk pundits who whip up hatred of government. People who hate government are not thinking of what is best for America. They are only thinking they know what is best for them. Government-haters rarely envision a system that works well for everyone. Government-hatred is usually accompanied by hatred of Muslims, Blacks, Liberals, Progressives, Immigrants, Pandemic restrictions, Regulations. In a word, it is irrational. It is radical.

Every time one of those extreme talk pundits (such as Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, etc,) gets hauled into court to defend themselves, their lawyers argue that it's 'only entertainment,' that listeners 'should not believe what the pundit is saying.' But we all know the listeners do believe it because they come in here and argue those exact same talking points.
 

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The claim involved "driving habits" for "most drivers". Regardless of the price of gas, people will generally try to reduce the amount of fuel they burn.
Given past history people have a certain amountll of money they will accept to pay for gas/fuel. If the cost is below that they do not try to save fuel. Notice that large inefficient vehicles sell very well when gas prices are low. Only when the cost of fuel is above that level, and it depends in the person of course do they make changes to driving habits, to save fuel ( and money) From making fewer trips, driving in a fuel saving manner, or selling fuel inefficient vehicles to buy more efficient one
 

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Move to smaller communities so one can take up bicycling and walking to work and for a night out and for your health and because it feels good. That's a big reason I relocated to this college town. It's easy to get around....... on foot or on two tires or skateboarding. And I average about 7,000 miles or less annually on our fossil fuel vehicle.
 

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I get what you're saying but a lot of folks are trimming their budgets elsewhere to compensate as driving a car is a necessity for many.
Not saying don't drive. Driving should be minimized as a part of saving fuel, yes. Rethink frivolous drives. Multi-task trips. When driving is justified, change driving habits. Properly prepare the vehicle. Remove any excess weight, air up the tires, keep it tuned. Avoid quick starts. Time the traffic signals. Turn the engine off for long waits. Many newer cars have this feature built in for just that purpose.

With good driving habits, tires and brakes last twice as long as poor driving habits. Drivers who ignore this wisdom and are always short of money could give themselves an effective raise in income by simply doing all these things which save gas, save money, tires, brakes and the environment.

Often, the biggest expense of owning a car is not the price of the car, but the fuel burned over the life of the car. Particular attention should be paid to the MPG a vehicle gets when purchasing. It makes thousands of dollars of difference over the life of the car. And it should be known that used electric vehicles are becoming available in the under $10,000 range. Some may wish to consider an electric vehicle.
 

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Most drivers do that now. Even if gas were $1 per gallon most drivers would still adopt fuel saving driving habits.
Not what I've seen. I changed my habits after Katrina hit and prices soared. I have saved thousands and thousands of dollars since then because of the changes. But I don't see other drivers doing the things I do. Instead, it seems everybody is in a big hurry and their foot goes right from the gas to the brake. And when the light turns green, the race is back on to be the first one to wait at the next light. It literally seems insane to me, but the message I get is they seem to think gas prices are no limiting factor in their hurry.
 

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Exactly why people jack up their trucks and put on off road tires, to improve fuel economy
-laughter-

Yes, it seems some of them are proud of how much fuel they use and flaunt it loudly. They must have money to burn because that is exactly what they are doing. Seems pretty idiotic and expensive to me.
 

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It should be regulated like electricity. It has too big an impact on lives and the economy to be leaping around like this.

(I've already cut my driving in half --some of us really don't have a choice, but as a retiree I can decide when to go out and how far to drive. Take that, Big Oil LOL)
Same here. I learned how to make groceries last and last during the pandemic, and I see no reason to go back to decadent unneeded trips.
 

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Ahhh....I surely don't miss those days. Not a traffic light in a hundred miles here, and that's not an exaggeration..
Sounds nice for a change. I do like to get away sometimes, but I like the big city and all it has to offer for where I choose to live. To each, his or her own. Something for everybody.
 

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Given past history people have a certain amountll of money they will accept to pay for gas/fuel. If the cost is below that they do not try to save fuel.

No, it's not binary. We are talking about the law of demand here, which is the most solid principle in economics. The higher the price, the less people buy (all other things being equal).

Notice that large inefficient vehicles sell very well when gas prices are low. Only when the cost of fuel is above that level, and it depends in the person of course do they make changes to driving habits, to save fuel ( and money) From making fewer trips, driving in a fuel saving manner, or selling fuel inefficient vehicles to buy more efficient one

Yes, but there is no "level" where everyone makes changes. It's a curve, and it's different for every person.
 
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