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Gallup: Most Workers either hate their jobs, or have 'checked out'

Or this is what happens when you take a wage for granted.

You are most definitely correct, Fiddy. People take their wages for granted and then BAM! they start hating their job and "check out." That's why you should constantly remind your employees they're execrable pieces of garbage whose livelihoods depend entirely on your largess. You can screw them over and totally get away with it because the government bureaucracies are already overburdened with claims and nobody cares about minimum wage workers.

Once you prove to them that their wages are most definitely NOT granted, your workers will definitely stop hating their jobs and mentally checking out.
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I like my job, I'm good at it, and I'm loyal and dedicated.

That being said, there are very few things that I want to do every single day, and almost nothing that I want to do for eight hours every day besides sleep. Sometimes I have to push. Nothing wrong with that.
 
You are most definitely correct, Fiddy. People take their wages for granted and then BAM! they start hating their job and "check out." That's why you should constantly remind your employees they're execrable pieces of garbage whose livelihoods depend entirely on your largess. You can screw them over and totally get away with it because the government bureaucracies are already overburdened with claims and nobody cares about minimum wage workers.

Once you prove to them that their wages are most definitely NOT granted, your workers will definitely stop hating their jobs and mentally checking out.
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Do you have any idea how whiny that reads?
 
It's interesting that there are so many employers willing to keep disengaged employees around. Probably because their companies can't attract anyone better. It's okay, just pass of the cost to the customer, we're complacent enough in today's American society to accept it.
 
cpwill said:
I blame the Boomers. As (admittedly) I tend to do for alot. The adoption of the idea that Life Was All About You And Fulfilling YourSelf has led to some very unfulfilling lives.

I guess I have a few comments.

Historically, it seems to me that the Boomer mentality and approach to life was predictable due to the lessons of the Great Depression and World War II. The Great Depression taught people that things (food, house, tools, medicine, clothes, toys or a means of amusement) matter. Only people who are spiritually oriented toward sainthood are able to transcend this, and most people simply are not suited for such a life.

World War II, Korea, and then Vietnam taught people that other human beings can be taken away, whether young or old, rich or poor. The more I think about it, the more I think WWII was devastating to the moral order proposed by Christianity and Judaism. It was unthinkable to many people that a just God would allow human beings to commit such attrocities as those perpetrated by the Nazis and the Japanese military.

At the same time, in the academic world, especially in my own discipline (philosophy) there was a growing belief in ontological materialism. And this seemed to provide all the answers, even if they were uncomfortable ones. If all there is is material stuff, then there is no God to guarantee a moral order to the world, and there is also nothing left to pursue but material stuff and personal pleasure. Thus, the boomer mentality. I think this is what enabled hippies to be so liberal in their youths, and conservative when they're older. I know many ex-hippies who are nearly reactionary. They've spent their lives pursuing whatever makes them happy, and now they have money, they adopt policies that would have been repugnant to them when they were younger.

With that said, there is a counter current that has to be understood. You can see what I'm getting ready to describe throughout history, and it's part of human nature. The reason we have an economy in the first place is because when human beings stand apart, they don't last very long. Thomas Hobbes got this part right: for people who try to completely eschew cooperation, life is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. With the need for cooperation arises an implicit social contract. We enter into a society with the understanding that we make good on another's loss, and we each individually do our best.

To put it bluntly, that contract is frayed to the point it's nearly gone, and that implies a very dangerous time ahead. On the one hand, I agree that there are some people who simply don't try as hard as should be reasonably expected. The reasons why are manifold (some of them are hinted at above). I think this is the part that conservatives have right about the state of our country and what's wrong with it. It's not merely people on welfare. There are plenty of people who don't buckle down and do well in school. As this poll shows, there are plenty of people who just show up at work and basically check out.

On the other hand, here's what liberals have right: implicit in the social contract is the notion that the spoils of economic activity will be shared in a fair and just manner. when you have income and wealth gaps as wide as the ones we see today, it's discouraging, especially when it goes on for a long time (going on 50 years, in our case) and rather than getting any better, it just seems to get worse. When this trend first started, I don't think it's correct to say that people were as disengaged as they are now.

So it seems to be a chicken-and-egg problem. On the one hand, workers are backing out of their end of the bargain by not doing their best. On the other hand, employers are backing out of their end by paying the people at the top salaries that are thousands of times greater than the average worker. This is highly discouraging, and it does nothing but make matters worse. I'm not sure it matters who threw the first stone at this point, the question is how we get back to a solution.
 
A great deal of worker dissatisfaction can be easily solved by maintaining a positive work environment. A worker who puts in overtime, completes projects, and gives his/her all everyday just to be yelled at by management will obviously become dissatisfied with work. That same worker who now gets a pat on the back and treated with respect will be much happier performing the job.

Free markets help solve worker dissatisfaction by offering the maximum amount of competition. Over time, high skill, high value employees will gravitate towards work places which make them happy and treat them right. Low skill, low value employees will be stuck with bad employers since they lack the leverage to find better work. The more motivated, happy workforce has a clear market advantage (better employees) against their competitors unhappy, soulless job force.

Personally, my motivation plummets when I get yelled at for things outside of my control. On the other hand, my boss giving me a compliment or a high-five really does boost my will to work. At those times, I sure don't mind putting in overtime and working the job, not the clock.
 
bonfire said:
Free markets help solve worker dissatisfaction by offering the maximum amount of competition. Over time, high skill, high value employees will gravitate towards work places which make them happy and treat them right. Low skill, low value employees will be stuck with bad employers since they lack the leverage to find better work. The more motivated, happy workforce has a clear market advantage (better employees) against their competitors unhappy, soulless job force.

The problem seems to be that free markets do not exist, and probably cannot exist. They're as much a pipe dream as a purely socialist society. The market we actually have leads to collusion among employers, which drives down wages. As I mentioned just now in a different thread: businesses do not want competition, and it's in their best interest to cut down on competition in whatever way possible. The winners in a "free" market will almost always try to use their gains to tilt the game in their favor. The paradox is that if the market is not regulated, those businesses that get lucky initially will convert that luck into a static advantage that goes some distance to eliminate the ability of other businesses to compete.
 
I see this all the time at my work (Tech company, in IT, where most of the workers are 45+ ((I am 26)))

it happens when people see their coworkers get laid off, they get little or no raises, while seeing the upper management pull in 25% raises & cash bonuses. in general, when they feel that they are being taken advantage of. quitting in this economy is not really an option for them, since most of them have families to support, so they wont do that. but they've become jaded. its like the guy from office space said - I work just hard enough not to get fired.

its self reinforcing too, in my opinion. once you make that decision - and I believe it is a finite moment where one makes that decision to not give a f* anymore - your performance will intentionally decline, to just above fire-able levels. and from there, the boss wont give you a promotion or raise, maybe ever again, as long as you are producing the bare minimum to get by.

im not too jaded to throw in the towel just yet, but I do see this happen and agree totally that it affects the companies negatively
 
Huh.



Well, this makes me more confident about entering the civilian workplace :)

Hell, there are people "actively disengaged" all over the military... its rife with them.

Myself, im just running on auto pilot.
 
I like my job, I'm good at it, and I'm loyal and dedicated.

That being said, there are very few things that I want to do every single day, and almost nothing that I want to do for eight hours every day besides sleep. Sometimes I have to push. Nothing wrong with that.

agreed with this one. I work in IT and frankly don't feel passionate at all about what I do. my dream job would have been to open my own craft brewery. but I don't take it out on the company by half-assing it intentionally...(often)...
 
agreed with this one. I work in IT and frankly don't feel passionate at all about what I do. my dream job would have been to open my own craft brewery. but I don't take it out on the company by half-assing it intentionally...(often)...

brewery sounds awesome.

my ideal setup would be involve having the means to split my time between running my own contract lab (paternity / DNA testing to learn about ancestry / microbiology / etc) and playing music. however, my current split of working in a research lab / playing music isn't far off of that, so i don't complain.

however, your brewery idea makes me think of another business i'd like to have : making (legal) moonshine. just discovered this product in the past couple months, and i immediately started thinking about how cool it would be to make it myself.
 
Hell, there are people "actively disengaged" all over the military... its rife with them

That is very true, and one of the reasons I am a proponent for reforming our current pension and career protection programs.
 
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